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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Agent007391 wrote:
    Bold I don't exactly agree on this. There's commentary all through the prequels about current and past wars in our history (WW2, mostly), as well as the political realities of the time.

    Underline I'm not sure I agree with this one, either. Everybody but the Force users complies with the laws of physics. The space craft themselves do. Hopefully, everybody is smart enough to understand: No sound in space=crap action scenes. (Sadly, there are people who still consider it a goof on the IMDB that Star Wars movies have sound in space.)

    I accept these comments - they are valid.

    However, SW models a lot of its conflicts after existing, historical situations. In my opinion, the films neither study nor comment on the deeper socio-political issues that preceded these situations. That's why I wrote what I did about SW not being interested in social commentaries.

    As for physics, you dig up a fine example. In class, I start my talks about sound waves with the example of space battles in SW. :P I agree, it's silly to pretend that SW would be a better film without sound in space. It would be pretty boring IMO. ;-)
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    Agent007391 wrote:
    Bold I don't exactly agree on this. There's commentary all through the prequels about current and past wars in our history (WW2, mostly), as well as the political realities of the time.

    Underline I'm not sure I agree with this one, either. Everybody but the Force users complies with the laws of physics. The space craft themselves do. Hopefully, everybody is smart enough to understand: No sound in space=crap action scenes. (Sadly, there are people who still consider it a goof on the IMDB that Star Wars movies have sound in space.)

    I accept these comments - they are valid.

    However, SW models a lot of its conflicts after existing, historical situations. In my opinion, the films neither study nor comment on the deeper socio-political issues that preceded these situations. That's why I wrote what I did about SW not being interested in social commentaries.

    As for physics, you dig up a fine example. In class, I start my talks about sound waves with the example of space battles in SW. :P I agree, it's silly to pretend that SW would be a better film without sound in space. It would be pretty boring IMO. ;-)

    Well, with Star Wars modeling its conflicts on historical battles, that's because George Lucas keeps feeding us the bulls*** about having planned Star Wars out from the very beginning, thus the battles are all based on battles that happened sometime before 1975 (when the current revision of A New Hope came to be, and thus the shooting script). Plus, watch the man's other films, WW2 seems to be his favorite war, and so, he'll base any battle he can on Normandy, or the Bulge, and that sort of thing.

    As for no comment on the socio-political issues, I would say there's some of that in the prequels (especially Attack of the Clones), but on the whole, Lucas knew that the majority of people who'd go see his films were only there for the action and the Jedi, so he didn't bog the films down with it, no matter how many of us would have wanted to see it.

    And it's stupid to pretend that anything, Star Wars, Star Trek, The Last Starfighter - any space-based action movie/show/video game would be better without sound in space. Most of us, subconsciously or otherwise, know the impact sound puts on an action scene, and the lack of it is just stupid. Please, keep bringing up how Star Wars would be worse with no sound in space, it'll make the next generation smarter (I'm being serious, too).
  • St_GeorgeSt_George Shuttling Drax's lovelies to the space doughnut - happy 40th, MR!
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    Not to bring Doctor Who into this thread too much again, but I've always been more of a Who man over the years (only seriously got into Who recently, mind). As for Star Trek, I can really take or leave it. Occassionally I'll happily watch TNG if it's on the box, though. Some of those episodes were fine drama, it's got to be said.

    And of the original cast's movies, most of 'em were really entertaining '80s fantasy adventure blockbusters - real solid enjoyable fare. Certainly do enjoy II, III and IV; a fun mini-trilogy there.

    I've actually written about the original series recently (shameless plug alert - again)...

    http://georgesjournal.wordpress.com/2012/01/31/satire-spies-monkees-and-space-odysseys-the-10-ultimate-60s-tv-shows/
  • GerardGerard
    edited February 2012 Posts: 6,021
    [quote="Agent007391Plus, watch the man's other films, WW2 seems to be his favorite war, and so, he'll base any battle he can on Normandy, or the Bulge, and that sort of thing.

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    Frankly, I fail to see the references to WWII in THX1138 or American Graffitti. I'll give you Red Tails though, but it would have been surprising if they were no references to WWII in a movie about WWII.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Gerard wrote:
    Frankly, I fail to see the references to WWII in THX1138 or American Graffitti. I'll give you Red Tails though, but it would have been surprising if they were no references to WWII in a movie about WWII.

    I was going with Indiana Jones.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    All the dogfighting between the various ships in SW is indeed a celebration of the pilots in WWII but also WWI in my humble opinion.
    It is a celebration of the pilots and far less the groundtroops.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited July 2012 Posts: 8,215
    Shame to see nothing come out of this thread. Some great stuff came out of the old thread on Olde MI6.

    Anyway, my attempt at reviving this thread.

    Besides that, anyone's thoughts on the upcoming Trek film? TNG remastered?
  • oo7oo7
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  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    edited November 2012 Posts: 16,359
    Bump/ Also found this random image.
    Daniel_Craig_by_karracaz.jpg

    I remember reading that Daniel Craig is a fan of Star Trek and wanted to be in a future sequel to the newly rebooted JJVerse. I'd love to have DC be in a Star Trek film. :)

    Also!
    classic_trek_bonds_by_thommo1701-d4wjwnt.jpg
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Here's an official synopsis for 'Star Trek Into Darkness':
    http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=97404
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    I lost interest with the series with The Next Generation intoduction in the 1990s, and up to then, always watched the movie releases with the original crew, saw every one on release between 1979-91, but just didn't take to Patrick Stewart and the new faces. It's nothing now from what I remember but times change sadly of course
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    Here's an official synopsis for 'Star Trek Into Darkness':
    http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=97404
    Sounds like the last Star Trek movie...

  • oo7oo7
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    "detonated the fleet and everything it stands for"
    detonation of everything they stand for. what gibberish is this. is this actually the press release that paramount have gone with?
  • boldfingerboldfinger
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    I guess I will watch it, the last one was just too much fun, even though it´s mostly bollocks.
    At all, the more I get into ST, the more I want to watch the old tv episodes. You could see the fake walls shake when someone passes them, yet they were more convincing than any ST film that was made.
  • bondsumbondsum
    edited December 2012 Posts: 3,333
    New poster for Star Trek Into Darkness. Could this be the “one man weapon” the synopsis foretells? Note the Starfleet logo set against the London landscape...

    star-trek-into-darkness-poster.jpg

  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    bondsum wrote:
    New poster for Star Trek Into Darkness. Could this be the “one man weapon” the synopsis foretells? Note the Starfleet logo set against the London landscape...

    star-trek-into-darkness-poster.jpg

    Hint of the Batman posters again here don't you think?
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    This has a hard task to live up to the last film. Poster looks average...
  • myworldisenoughmyworldisenough
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    The last film was excellent so hoping more of the same please!
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    I too enjoyed the first film alot. Who knows how it will turn out? The humour will be important between Kirk, Spock, and Bones though!
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
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    I have a good idea who that is in the middle of the poster, Karl urban let it slip out earlier in the year and it fits.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    There's already about two or three Star Trek threads in existence and I should know, I did one myself some time back, but whatever the circumstances, I no longer watch the more recent releases. I'm merely a fan of the original series with Shatner, Nimoy and Kelley and never much took to anything after that, although Generations and First Contact were good releases, but I feel, it's the original cast for me or nothing at all right now. I'd much rather watch The Motion Picture, or Wrath of Khan or The Undiscovered Country, than anything they put together now
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    There's already about two or three Star Trek threads in existence and I should know, I did one myself some time back, but whatever the circumstances, I no longer watch the more recent releases. I'm merely a fan of the original series with Shatner, Nimoy and Kelley and never much took to anything after that, although Generations and First Contact were good releases, but I feel, it's the original cast for me or nothing at all right now. I'd much rather watch The Motion Picture, or Wrath of Khan or The Undiscovered Country, than anything they put together now

    I do agreem but to be honest the new movie did pleasantly surprise me. Even if it never rises to the greatness of the original Kirk, Spock, Bones, Scotty, Uhuru, Sulu, CHekov, etc.

  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    The Undiscovered Country
    The last truly excellent Trek, and even then, not quite the magic of the series.
  • bondsumbondsum
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    fire_and_ice wrote:
    I have a good idea who that is in the middle of the poster, Karl urban let it slip out earlier in the year and it fits.
    Didn't he say something about it being Gary Mitchell?
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    @chrisisall DeForest Kelley was around 70 years old at time of production, and even Bill Shatner and Leonard Nimoy were on the wrong side of 60 by then, so maybe they should of stopped sooner than 1991, but Yes, it was a very good release

    Some of the old cast were present in Generations (1994) but only seen briefly, and it was a shame to see Kirk die, and quite a touching moments for all Star Trek fans

    The Wrath of Khan was the biggest and best of the movie releases they ever did. Montalban should of got an oscar that year, he was immense. And of course Mr Spock 'dies', but there's a clue that all is not what it seems, as you know that the next release will be 'The Search for Spock'
  • bondsumbondsum
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    In fairness @Baltimore_007, we didn't know that The Search for Spock was the sequel when we saw Wrath back in 1982 so the shock of seeing Spock die had a far greater impact. As a matter of fact it did what M's death in Skyfall failed to do to me... which was to create a lump in my throat.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    The one I really like, the one I see over & over is Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home.... that was Trek to me. I loved every moment of dialogue in that one. If ONLY the Enterprise was in it, it'd be nearly perfect. And the cast still looked great there. Plus: totally cool ending wrapping up stuff between Sarek & Spock.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Star Trek (2009) is the Casino Royale of Star Trek movies. I love the original 6 though TMP is dull and too slow for me. I'm hoping Into Darkness will be good, but I'd like to see a return to Classic Trek that doesn't require a villain for the plot of the story.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Murdock wrote:
    Star Trek (2009) is the Casino Royale of Star Trek movies.
    Good call. And probably why while I own Both, they don't get as much play as the more classic stuff.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    chrisisall wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    Star Trek (2009) is the Casino Royale of Star Trek movies.
    Good call. And probably why while I own Both, they don't get as much play as the more classic stuff.

    Same, Search for Spock is my favorite Star Trek Movie. :D
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