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  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    I like the fact they have not ignored Nemesis and allowed some natural continuity
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    I like the fact they have not ignored Nemesis and allowed some natural continuity

    It was nice that it opened with the same song that Nemesis essentially closed with :)
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    mtm wrote: »
    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    I like the fact they have not ignored Nemesis and allowed some natural continuity

    It was nice that it opened with the same song that Nemesis essentially closed with :)

    That was a great touch, I will definitely watch the pre title scene in that episode alot.
    The archive scene was brilliant also
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    NEMESIS may have been a terrible film but it wasn’t so bad that a follow up couldn’t do anything interesting with where we last left them. Also helps that the 2009 film left over a pretty massive event for writers to build off of with Romulus’ destruction as a way of shaking up the universal dynamic.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited January 2020 Posts: 25,092
    'I don't want the game to end' that line really resonated with regards to Picard and where he is in his life, that opening is brilliant.
    The version of Blue Skies sung by Bing Crosby used in that scene...

    This track works well on many levels, one being its juxtaposition of Picard's physical and mental reality.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    Great to see Picard back, even if he is old and frail. Really liked the dream scenes with him and Data which had some nice dialogue.
    The destruction of Romulus would have been a good idea if it hadn't already been done with the Klingon homeworld in The Undiscovered Country. So no medals for originality there. And at the end of Nemesis there was about to be peace talks with the Romulans, yet in this it's implied the Federation didn't care about the Romulan refugees. Why not? Doesn't sound like something The Federation would do. It's kind of 'their thing' to help isn't it?!! If they're making the Federation the bad guys in this then that's a very 'un-Rodenberry' thing to do. Sounds all very nihilistic. And it's mentioned that Data was 'one of a kind, nothing else like him'....er what about his brother, Lore..?[/i]

    I'll see what transpires in the next few episodes to see if its worth sticking with..

  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    Its only 10 episodes
  • patbpatb
    edited January 2020 Posts: 4,615
    IMHO Good science fiction places character, ideas and plot ahead of effects and gadgets etc. Episode 1 was sci fi for grown ups IMHO with PS given time and space to exercise his acting chops and some interesting themes/ideas already coming up. So, an that basis, I really liked it. What a contrast to JJ's interpretation of good sci fi.
  • boldfingerboldfinger
    edited January 2020 Posts: 5,767
    patb wrote: »
    IMHO Good science fiction places character, ideas and plot ahead of effects and gadgets etc. Episode 1 was sci fi for grown ups IMHO with PS given time and space to exercise his acting chops and some interesting themes/ideas already coming up. So, an that basis, I really liked it. What a contrast to JJ's interpretation of good sci fi.
    I don´t think JJ´s idea was to deliver good sci-fi. And IMO he succeeeded in delivering two fast-paced and very entertaining action flics. Though I must admit, the good sci-fi bit both times bit him in the buttock toward the end of each film, because it´s essential in such a film making sense in the end ;-).

  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    The allegories in this Picard series are about as subtle as a punch on the nose. I'm suprised the Federation members aren't wearing red hats with 'Make The Federation Great Again!' written on them.

    Also puzzling with this set up
    What happened to the Romulan empire? One planet being destroyed isn't going to put much of a dent in their operations when it spans many other worlds.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Star Trek: Picard Episode 2 enjoying the intrigue, best Trek in years.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Simon Pegg Blames Studio for Hurting ‘Star Trek’ Films, Casts Doubt on New Movies
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indiewire.com/2020/03/simon-pegg-doubts-star-trek-movies-marvel-money-1202214763/amp/
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    Simon Pegg Blames Studio for Hurting ‘Star Trek’ Films, Casts Doubt on New Movies
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indiewire.com/2020/03/simon-pegg-doubts-star-trek-movies-marvel-money-1202214763/amp/

    The franchise is doing just fine on TV again, so I'm not bummed about this in the slightest.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    Simon Pegg Blames Studio for Hurting ‘Star Trek’ Films, Casts Doubt on New Movies
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indiewire.com/2020/03/simon-pegg-doubts-star-trek-movies-marvel-money-1202214763/amp/

    Really sad to hear and read this as I have been enjoying the rebooted movies.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited April 2020 Posts: 25,092
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    Simon Pegg Blames Studio for Hurting ‘Star Trek’ Films, Casts Doubt on New Movies
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indiewire.com/2020/03/simon-pegg-doubts-star-trek-movies-marvel-money-1202214763/amp/

    Really sad to hear and read this as I have been enjoying the rebooted movies.

    I heard talk they may try to make a Star Trek Discovery movie, which would make no sense as there is not much of a main stream audience for that.
    Star Trek are probably best to sticking to TV/Streaming Services for a while.
  • ThunderballThunderball playing Chemin de Fer in a casino, downing Vespers
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    Season 1 of Picard was really great. I'm looking forward for it's return. I'm also looking forward for Discovery's return. I'm apparently one of the extreme minority that really likes Discovery. Despite that, I'd say Picard is a better already.
  • patbpatb
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    Its a great shame that a series that we know not only can look stunning but tell exciting and engaging stories (also make decent profit) has been reduced to these streams.
  • zebrafishzebrafish <°)))< in Octopussy's garden in the shade
    edited April 2020 Posts: 4,341
    I suggest everyone who loves the ST franchise to check out "The Orville" and "The Expanse".

    Orville is basically ST:TNG in sitcom format and despite rather cheap looking CGI manages to build a world that one cares to invest in. If you liked Picard and his old Enterprise crew, then The Orville is just the thing for you.

    Expanse is "hard" SciFi, zero comedy, suspenseful, horror, political intrigue. Great TV overall.

    Both of them are far more interesting than ST:Discovery (and this is the opinion of a Trekkie). I have yet to see Picard.
  • patbpatb
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    Yes, the Orville has more of the "spririt" of ST than any of the recent versions of ST. It's a shame they go for laughs because some of the ideas/concepts within the episodes are worthy of good sci-fi.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    Simon Pegg Blames Studio for Hurting ‘Star Trek’ Films, Casts Doubt on New Movies
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indiewire.com/2020/03/simon-pegg-doubts-star-trek-movies-marvel-money-1202214763/amp/

    Really sad to hear and read this as I have been enjoying the rebooted movies.

    I heard talk they may try to make a Star Trek Discovery movie, which would make no sense as there is not much of a main stream audience for that.
    Star Trek are probably best to sticking to TV/Streaming Services for a while.

    Star Trek at its heart is really a TV franchise rather than a movie franchise. I think what many forget is that the big draw of the first ten films was that they were essentially souped up TV reunion films projected on the silver screen. Every few years you’d get to revisit these characters who you originally saw for several seasons on TV either first run or reruns.

    Without that edge and the fact that television shows like the recent Trek shows, Game of Thrones, etc can look as grand as a big budget film, having Trek on the big screen isn’t as big of a deal as it used to be.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    Simon Pegg Blames Studio for Hurting ‘Star Trek’ Films, Casts Doubt on New Movies
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indiewire.com/2020/03/simon-pegg-doubts-star-trek-movies-marvel-money-1202214763/amp/

    Really sad to hear and read this as I have been enjoying the rebooted movies.

    I heard talk they may try to make a Star Trek Discovery movie, which would make no sense as there is not much of a main stream audience for that.
    Star Trek are probably best to sticking to TV/Streaming Services for a while.

    Star Trek at its heart is really a TV franchise rather than a movie franchise. I think what many forget is that the big draw of the first ten films was that they were essentially souped up TV reunion films projected on the silver screen. Every few years you’d get to revisit these characters who you originally saw for several seasons on TV either first run or reruns.

    Without that edge and the fact that television shows like the recent Trek shows, Game of Thrones, etc can look as grand as a big budget film, having Trek on the big screen isn’t as big of a deal as it used to be.

    I grew up watching Star Trek reruns in the 70's and 80's, my favourite show of all time. Kirk, Spock and Mccoy and crew were like revisiting old friends with the six movies, after watching Wrath of Khan I have never wanted to see a film as much as I did when Search for Spock hit cinema's. It's because the TV show made me so invested in the characters. I own all the series up to Enterprise, as fans we are lucky there are so many great shows to revisit.

    I am midway through Picard been working a lot so not had time to watch it, I will probably binge watch the last episodes at the weekend.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Funny thing is that the first six films were my first exposure to Trek. Only after watching them did I learn there was a TV series and it was exciting to see even more adventures with those characters. A few months later I would find out there was a seventh film being made, but this time with Kirk AND Picard.

    Whatever one feels of how the film turned out, just the prospect of them having a film together was too exciting.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    Funny thing is that the first six films were my first exposure to Trek. Only after watching them did I learn there was a TV series and it was exciting to see even more adventures with those characters. A few months later I would find out there was a seventh film being made, but this time with Kirk AND Picard.

    Whatever one feels of how the film turned out, just the prospect of them having a film together was too exciting.

    Generations is OK, it does play like a extended episode though David Carson had directed Next Gen episodes prior. Generations still has some good moments for me, I like some of the Nexus scenes. The Enterprise D crash on the planet looked good on the big screen at the time.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I’m with you on that.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited May 2020 Posts: 25,092
    Mr. Plinkett has returned...


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    I meant to post this news a few days ago...

    'Star Trek' Pike and Spock Series Set at CBS All Access - Star Trek: Strange New Worlds.
    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/live-feed/star-trek-pike-spock-series-set-at-cbs-all-access-1294704
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    RLM lost me when they tried to assert that Picard and Data were never anything more than colleagues as a reason for why Picard's grief over the loss of Data isn't believable.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    RLM lost me when they tried to assert that Picard and Data were never anything more than colleagues as a reason for why Picard's grief over the loss of Data isn't believable.

    I don't always agree with RLM though I find them entertaining, certainly the Picard and Data friendship is more prominent in the films. They do have a bond so I disagree with RLM.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    They're good at assembling clips to back up what they say, but they use the clips rather disingenuously to support their narrative. For example, as a way of making the point that Picard wouldn't have been all that broken up about Data, they use a clip from "The Most Toys" where Picard acts all stern after learning that Data died (of course it was a fake death). RLM conveniently leaves out the moment where we see Picard being affected by Data's fake death. The only reason he comes across stern at times was because he was projecting himself as the captain to give his crew a leader to look up to during hard times. It's part of why he didn't fraternize with the crew beyond Crusher, Guinan, and Data. He wanted to keep a certain distance; between captain and crew. But by the finale that all changed when he finally felt comfortable enough to sit at the poker table and interact with his shipmates as dear friends. That's why the finale is so powerful because we see a big growth for Picard.

    I also get the sense that RLM are more attached to the earlier incarnation of Picard from TNG 30 years ago, and seeing Patrick Stewart playing a much older Picard that's more sentimental and wears his emotions on his sleeves feels "wrong" for them because that's not the character they grew up watching as kids when TNG aired. I didn't think the new show was all that great, but everything regarding the character of Picard felt natural.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    I give a pass to a lot on Star Trek Picard, he is older and people do tend to mellow with age, he is retired also. Many have complained that its not TNG, personally I will just get my boxset if I want to watch TNG. I see Picard as more of an extension of the films, in fact I just see it as a ten hour movie. Maybe it's sentiment though being a huge fan of TNG it's great seeing the characters again.

    I agree Picard very rarely dropped his Captain face during TNG. Picard's character does also evolve during the seven seasons illustrated well by the final scene in All Good Things.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Ben Cross (Sarek in 2009's Star Trek film) has died, aged 72.

    star-trek-sarek-ben-cross.jpg

    https://deadline.com/2020/08/ben-cross-dies-chariots-fire-star-trek-first-knight-actor-1203016530/
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