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Sarah Connor 'If we don't win this one, it's allover'... That's most likely true
Arnie is such a Legend
https://variety.com/2019/film/reviews/terminator-dark-fate-review-linda-hamilton-arnold-schwarzenegger-1203377138/
Mixed verdicts, ultimately. We'll see how its batting average balances out over the next few days. I'm seeing it tomorrow.
I'm seeing it in a couple of hours. I hope it's good!
On September 1st I posted:
The TimeOut review confirms my initial gut reaction to the first trailer. It looked unoriginal. If you rehash too much and it's painfully obvious it's rehash, you can't expect people to go "wow, this is amazing" because we've seen it before. My guess is the best chance for Dark Fate and any follow-up sequels is it appeals to a younger audience not that aware of the earlier films. I've no idea if it will pull in those people but my gut feeling is the older fans will just say "not original enough." Thankfully the James Bond franchise can feel reasonably fresh with each new entry. It's one of the main reasons it's lasted so long, but the Terminator universe is quite restrictive in scope.
Glad to hear this, @DaltonCraig007!!
Maybe I will even watch the new Star Wars movie ;-).
Even though i think it's the best Terminator since T2, i am still slightly disappointed.
Just shows how trully awful the other sequels were.
Probably the best ending we will ever get to the Terminator films
The Terminator films for the most part keep flogging the same dead horse, repeating the same tired formula with the odd change which irritates fans of the first two films. (at least Salvation tried to go in another direction).
I will be very surprised if Dark Fate gets a sequel even though its already a sequel/threequel/part 3 version 4 whatever it is.
I think the next inevitable step will be a total reboot, though I think they should leave it alone for a long time the franchise is a creative dead end.
On the one hand, it was the first time in any franchise that I thought the return of two old heroes was really cool. And Schwarzenegger puts his money where his mouth is when he says he is
Good point!
This is really sad, because i thought the story was very solid. It was very well thought out, putting Sarah Connor front and centre again. I really liked the characters and performances overall. I did not see a cheap T2 rehash at all. In fact it was too far removed from what i was hoping for and expecting.
What bothers me about this film the most is everything to do with 'modern day film making'.
It's pretty needless to say that Tim Miller is not James Cameron (80's & early 90's Cameron that is) but that's exactly the problem with this film.
Nothing feels real. It's just another 'modern day' marvelesque CGI fest.
T2 may have revolutionized CGI in film, but it had surpisingly few CGI effects in it. And almost none of them were used for the action scenes. Most of the CGI shots in T2 were about the T-1000 reassembling after the action was over. 80-90% of the action was done with practical effects.
In Dark Fate we see so much unrealistic and wheightless typical CGI BS that you stop caring after pretty much the first action set piece. There is no weigth to any of this. These Terminator are supposed to be unstoppable and heavy machines, but early on you see the Villain jumping up Walls and climbing around them like a spider monkey and it takes me right out of the film. I don't wanna see that crap.
And as if to tell their critics in advance to f off, they even include a 'weightless' action scene midway through, where the terminators are basically fighting in zero gravity.
I hate to say it but T3 did a FAR better job in the action depratment when it comes to CGI action, especially the bathroom fight. Or the truck chase where the T800 throws over cars purely with his weight.
In Dark Fate, after a while nothing makes sense anymore, they throw out any believability for outrageousness and you simply stop caring.
The pace is too fast, it's just one ridiculous action scene after another with next to no meaningful exchange.
T2 was the opposite of that. The movie was full of slow camera shots, and keeping occasional frames for as long as possible to build tension. For example when the T1000 comes out of the burning truck, no camera movement, no edits, it's a long and steady shot that creats unrest because of that.
The other, more personal problem i have with DF is that i consider the T2 Soundtrack to be possibly the greatest movie Soundtrack ever made. It had a profound influence on me, and to this day, whenever I want to write something 'futuristic' i always end up with some Brad Fidel influences in there.
Here, in my naivity, i thought that the filmmakers would be aware of the importance the music had in creating that otherworldly mood that T2 (and T1 to some extend) had, and would try to emulate that in some way but nope... We ended up with a boring generic run of the Mill orchestral score that did not manage to grab me even for a second in the whole 2 hours. Yes, the Terminator theme is there somewhere, and there are occasional cues and sounds from T2 but the mayority is utterly forgettable.
I'm a bit pissed. I think Cameron should have directed it, but i am not sure he would have had it in him to do it justice either. As it Stands i don't need another sequel to this.
What disappointed me the most is that Tim Miller even said in the very first Q&A he did with Cameron that he very much wanted the action to feel real and have weight to it, but todays film making has become so over reliant on this CGI crap that film maker apparently have no freaking clue how to achive that.
At least there still one man you can rely on for practical stunts. You know the name, you know the number.
(even though they had to learn a costly lesson with DAD).
So even though i really liked the story overall (not necesserily HOW it was told) and the performances, especially from Linda and Arnold, right now i don't see myself watching this movie ever again.
It's just sad.
Two near perfect movies and two okay ones, for me. The only irredeemable one is Genisys.
It's no surprise some fans are sceptical about Dark Fate. The three previous films were axed, the plots never carried on. I'm sure some fans think Dark Fate may end up going nowhere plot-wise. Cameron says Dark Fate is the official sequel to Terminator 2 but my guess is the producers of Rise of the Machines thought their film was the official sequel. The franchise is a continuity mess. Unless Dark Fate is a massive box office hit it's hard to see any future for the franchise. Perhaps it's time to stop saying "I'll be back."
That's a good point. And the reason why they do it mostly is because everyone wants to get back to the greatness that is T1 and T2, but they always go about it so half assed, as if they can't figure out what made these movies actually great.
Apparently not even James Cameron at this point can figure out what made these first two films such masterpieces. It was a multitude of reasons, not just one specific thing. They did capute some of that in DF, but not all of it saddly.
Agreed with this, but I can see why some hate T3 and Salvation (I, on the other hand, can't see why some like Genisys).
Agreed, I was very annoyed when they announced that Genisys would not be a sequel to Salvation.
But, to be fair, Salvation did not axe anything from T3, John's wife was also brought back.