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Terminator: Dark Fate (2019)

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  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited June 2014 Posts: 14,584
    Creasy47 wrote:
    That's the thing, you CAN technically do more with CGI, but it almost always takes me out of the experience. Give me models, stop-motion, and animatronics any day of the week. Some of my favorite films utilize those.
    What makes it more special is knowing that whether they're models, puppets or stop motion, they exist physically- while their CGI counterparts leave people feeling cheated. I mean, its all illusion at the end of the day, but with CGI, you know it doesn't exist outside of the computer.
  • WillyGaloreWillyGalore
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    QBranch wrote:
    Creasy47 wrote:
    That's the thing, you CAN technically do more with CGI, but it almost always takes me out of the experience. Give me models, stop-motion, and animatronics any day of the week. Some of my favorite films utilize those.
    What makes it more special is knowing that whether they're models, puppets or stop motion, they exist physically- while their CGI counterparts leave people feeling cheated. I mean, its all illusion at the end of the day, but with CGI, you know it doesn't exist outside of the PC.

    Well said the pair of you. =D>
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @WillyGalore, why thank you.

    @QBranch, exactly. Knowing that it's something you could physically touch and feel and see in person makes it that much more exciting. I like knowing that it's something real. Hell, the whole eye removal scene in T1 is so fantastic, and even though you can tell it's not really it's head, you can't accomplish that with CGI, either. It's physical, it's something that's really getting cut and diced, and that's what I love.
  • Master_DaharkMaster_Dahark
    edited June 2014 Posts: 4,813
    That's why I'm a fan of 'CGI Enhanced'

    Walking Dead does it all the time on the zombies; for example, it's an actor in makeup, but they digitally enhance it to show, say.... a hole through the head or missing limbs. Stuff makeup alone can't do.

    walking-dead-marathon-zombie-bowl.jpg
    there-are-more-zombie-kills-in-the-premiere-than-all-of-season-1.jpg

    Even T3 did it with some success

    term3_5_copy0.jpg
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    I can't see that last pic, @Master. Walking Dead struck a good balance, I think, in regards to the effects. I thought the CGI of Arnie in Salvation was pretty impressive. IIRC, that was Arnie's face on a real bodybuilder.
  • WillyGaloreWillyGalore
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    @WillyGalore, why thank you.

    @QBranch, exactly. Knowing that it's something you could physically touch and feel and see in person makes it that much more exciting. I like knowing that it's something real. Hell, the whole eye removal scene in T1 is so fantastic, and even though you can tell it's not really it's head, you can't accomplish that with CGI, either. It's physical, it's something that's really getting cut and diced, and that's what I love.

    Not a big fan of porn then? ;-)
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Live action is the only way ;)
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    QBranch wrote:
    Live action is the only way ;)

    This. ;-)
  • Master_DaharkMaster_Dahark
    edited June 2014 Posts: 4,813
    QBranch wrote:
    I can't see that last pic, @Master. Walking Dead struck a good balance, I think, in regards to the effects. I thought the CGI of Arnie in Salvation was pretty impressive. IIRC, that was Arnie's face on a real bodybuilder.
    Stupid internet. Try this

    maxresdefault.jpg

    I remember seeing behind the scenes shots of Arnold; he had green patches on his face along with the real makeup
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited June 2014 Posts: 4,520
    http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/32429/new-photos-arnie-on-terminator-set

    Are Arnold sjure he be on right set and not think he replacing Liam Neeson on the set of The A-team 2.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    M_Balje wrote:
    http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/32429/new-photos-arnie-on-terminator-set

    Are Arnold sjure he be on right set and not think he replacing Liam Neeson on the set of The A-team 2.

    Interesting comparison: cigar, cuts, lighter hair. I can see it.

  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    1:36 to 1:44
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Over halfway through 'The Terminator' right now. Sci-fi rarely gets better than this, what a fantastic film. I'll be doing a back-to-back this evening with this and the second one, then I'm watching 'Blade Runner' after that. It's one huge sci-fi night for me.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I live in New Orleans. I am a Firefighter and have worked on the set of the upcoming Terminator movie. I've talked to the crew and have seen storyboards. Without giving any spoilers,If thy can pull off what is planned this could really be a fun film.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I'm not sure if it's been rumored, announced, talked about, etc., but I'll keep it in spoilers just in case. It's regarding casting:
    I read that someone saw the leaked call sheet, and apparently Byung-hun Lee will be playing the T-1000 that goes against Arnold's Terminator and the rest of the gang.
  • Master_DaharkMaster_Dahark
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    Ew. Why not Matt Smith? Since
    he looks just like the T1000
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Master_Dahark wrote:
    Ew. Why not Matt Smith? Since
    he looks just like the T1000

    I'm not sure, and I wonder if:
    Byung-hun Lee will also be a liquid metal type T-1000, as apparently he was spotted in a police officer's outfit in a mall scene.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited June 2014 Posts: 14,584
    Creasy47 wrote:
    I'm not sure if it's been rumored, announced, talked about, etc., but I'll keep it in spoilers just in case. It's regarding casting:
    I read that someone saw the leaked call sheet, and apparently Byung-hun Lee will be playing the T-1000 that goes against Arnold's Terminator and the rest of the gang.
    His wiki page would suggest so- not that that's concrete proof though, of course.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Byung-hun#Film

    http://www.screenrelish.com/2014/05/27/terminator-genesis-call-sheet-reveals-byung-hun-lees-role-as-t-1000/
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Why not Robert Patrick as the T1000 again? I'd love to see him in another Terminator movie?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I'm not sure, @Agent007391. I thought he was fantastic in T2 when I watched it last night, but perhaps they just really want to spice up the casting (aside from Schwarzenegger) and bring all new people in.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I agree with @Creasy47. Also, Arnold is getting a bit long in the tooth but Patrick surely looks too old for that part. That said, I think nowadays they can CGI him nicely.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited June 2014 Posts: 14,584
    DarthDimi wrote:
    That said, I think nowadays they can CGI him nicely.
    Exactly. Of all the criticism Salvation gets, I don't recall hearing anyone being unsatisfied with the CGI quality regarding the 1984 Arnie. They could do the same with Patrick if the story called for it.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @QBranch, when was Arnie CGI in 'The Terminator'?
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited June 2014 Posts: 14,584
    Sorry, I meant his face was CGI'd onto a bodybuilder for Salvation (IIRC). It looked like 1984 Arnie, right down to the hair.

    02-3_t4_arniesfx1-terminator-genesis-first-look-at-arnold-schwarzenegger-s-silver-fox-swagger.jpeg?width=1024&height=429
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Ohh, my apologies, @QBranch. I thought you were defending 'Salvation' and criticizing the CGI in the original 'The Terminator,' which there is none. I understand what you're saying.
  • boldfingerboldfinger
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    With all the discussion about CGI, I must say that the rear projection near the end of Terminator nowadays throws me off more than any effect in T3 ore T4, as tense and absolutely genius as the rest of the film is. The eye removal looks like a model, but it´s so creepy nonetheless it doesn´t matter if it´s real or not, because it looks kind of surreal in that moment, and that makes it so effective. The rear projection later on however merely reminds me of Ray Harrihausen, and that´s not creepy.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    boldfinger wrote:
    The eye removal looks like a model, but it´s so creepy nonetheless it doesn´t matter if it´s real or not, because it looks kind of surreal in that moment, and that makes it so effective.
    That's an interesting way of looking at it. And the scene is also effective through irony, as the animatronic head is closer to the making of a T-800 than if it were just an actor with make up or CGI.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    QBranch wrote:
    boldfinger wrote:
    The eye removal looks like a model, but it´s so creepy nonetheless it doesn´t matter if it´s real or not, because it looks kind of surreal in that moment, and that makes it so effective.
    That's an interesting way of looking at it. And the scene is also effective through irony, as the animatronic head is closer to the making of a T-800 than if it were just an actor with make up or CGI.

    Ever since someone pointed it out, it does irk me that you can see both eyes completely intact during the police HQ assault scene, but nevertheless, that eye removal scene is very, very, very well done. I do love how robotic and creepy it is.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited June 2014 Posts: 17,801
    Some of the stop-motion process shots in Terminator look fairly bad, but when you consider the entire budget was under 7 mill you just have to be massively impressed with what they got to the screen.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    For anyone interested in cinematography, have a look at this two part assessment of The Terminator, from Cinevenger. I found it quite interesting, myself:

    http://cinevenger.com/?p=596
    http://cinevenger.com/?p=687
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