Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)

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    That's a brilliant surmisation @SJK91. I agree with you entirely especially regarding Snyder.

    Whilst MoS was undoubtably a financial success for Warner Bros it still under performed at the box office with takings of $649mil (only $50 million more than Casino Royale took - and that was 7 years ago). I'm sure the studio's expectations were more comparable to the success of the The Dark Knight.

    It's my feeling that because MoS didn't deliver the expected box office returns, the decision was made to greenlight a Superman V Batman film.
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    Just out of interest, could anybody shortly explain to me how any man can be a match for a guy who´s fast as lightning and strong as 100 horses and bulletproof?
    I´m not trying to be cynic here, I´m aware that there are several stories dealing with it, I´m just not into comic books, so if anyone could shortly explain to me, thanks.
  • @SJK91 I completely agree. I think introducing the new Batman in a film like this is a terrible idea because there might not be enough time to establish him.

    Especially since it's Zack Syder directing, because I think he'll probably (again) throw in loads of CGI action.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
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    boldfinger wrote:
    Just out of interest, could anybody shortly explain to me how any man can be a match for a guy who´s fast as lightning and strong as 100 horses and bulletproof?
    I´m not trying to be cynic here, I´m aware that there are several stories dealing with it, I´m just not into comic books, so if anyone could shortly explain to me, thanks.
    There is no explanation for it in my opinion. Batman is extremely intelligent and resourceful with a lot of sophisticated technology ay his disposal but that can only go so far when you get into a physical confrontation with someone who's practically invincible. There's no way he could defeat Superman unless he has some krytponite on him.
  • RC7RC7
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    pachazo wrote:
    boldfinger wrote:
    Just out of interest, could anybody shortly explain to me how any man can be a match for a guy who´s fast as lightning and strong as 100 horses and bulletproof?
    I´m not trying to be cynic here, I´m aware that there are several stories dealing with it, I´m just not into comic books, so if anyone could shortly explain to me, thanks.
    There is no explanation for it in my opinion. Batman is extremely intelligent and resourceful with a lot of sophisticated technology ay his disposal but that can only go so far when you get into a physical confrontation with someone who's practically invincible. There's no way he could defeat Superman unless he has some krytponite on him.

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Batman-Dark-Knight-Returns-TP/dp/1563893428/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1377702210&sr=8-1&keywords=the+dark+knight+returns+comic

    I'd suggest buying the above novel by Frank Miller. It's the source material for the movie, or it seems that way, given the fact it was quoted at launch. This will tell you all you need to know about Batman vs. Superman.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Have you guys seen Batman's official daily workout routine? That alone should tell anyone that the concept of such a character is just as far fetched as a man that can fly. That being said, based on the absurdity as to how batman is written, anything is possible for batman even going up against 10 supermen if such a scenario ever presented itself.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    Whilst MoS was undoubtably a financial success for Warner Bros it still under performed at the box office with takings of $649mil (only $50 million more than Casino Royale took - and that was 7 years ago). I'm sure the studio's expectations were more comparable to the success of the The Dark Knight.

    It still has an opening in Japan this Friday to come, so although it may get close to $700 million, for a film which cost $225 million, Warner Bros would have wanted better. A film needs three times it's budget to be in the black, meaning $675 million, so the question is why did they spend so much? Lesson leant I would think.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    boldfinger wrote:
    Just out of interest, could anybody shortly explain to me how any man can be a match for a guy who´s fast as lightning and strong as 100 horses and bulletproof?
    I´m not trying to be cynic here, I´m aware that there are several stories dealing with it, I´m just not into comic books, so if anyone could shortly explain to me, thanks.
    I'm no fan of either, but I read that in one Superman film the man of steel stood unflinching as someone shot bullets at him. The bullets of course bounced off him. Then when the gunman threw his empty gun at Superman, he ducked.
    Love that.
  • Posts: 6,432
    boldfinger wrote:
    Just out of interest, could anybody shortly explain to me how any man can be a match for a guy who´s fast as lightning and strong as 100 horses and bulletproof?
    I´m not trying to be cynic here, I´m aware that there are several stories dealing with it, I´m just not into comic books, so if anyone could shortly explain to me, thanks.

    Truth is Batman could only beat Superman, if Superman was holding back. Superman often holds back. If he wanted Certainly Silver age Superman could destroy where Batman would happen to be on earth. He would not need to go anywhere near a potentially Kryptonite laiden Bats. Or just throw Batman into the sun.

    Large part of Supermans character is his human upbringing and the sense of morality his earth parents gave him.
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    Samuel001 wrote:
    Whilst MoS was undoubtably a financial success for Warner Bros it still under performed at the box office with takings of $649mil (only $50 million more than Casino Royale took - and that was 7 years ago). I'm sure the studio's expectations were more comparable to the success of the The Dark Knight.

    It still has an opening in Japan this Friday to come, so although it may get close to $700 million, for a film which cost $225 million, Warner Bros would have wanted better. A film needs three times it's budget to be in the black, meaning $675 million, so the question is why did they spend so much? Lesson leant I would think.

    I thought as rule of thumb that a film had to double, not treble, it's production budget in order to start turning a profit.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited August 2013 Posts: 13,355
    Many films that double don't get a sequel. 2.5x times is good enough because of home video releases and 3x times be safe, ie. 100% earning money back, so yeah Man of Steel has earnt money but most of it on DVD/BD if it's a big enough hit.
  • RC7RC7
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    boldfinger wrote:
    Just out of interest, could anybody shortly explain to me how any man can be a match for a guy who´s fast as lightning and strong as 100 horses and bulletproof?
    I´m not trying to be cynic here, I´m aware that there are several stories dealing with it, I´m just not into comic books, so if anyone could shortly explain to me, thanks.

    Truth is Batman could only beat Superman, if Superman was holding back. Superman often holds back. If he wanted Certainly Silver age Superman could destroy where Batman would happen to be on earth. He would not need to go anywhere near a potentially Kryptonite laiden Bats. Or just throw Batman into the sun.

    Large part of Supermans character is his human upbringing and the sense of morality his earth parents gave him.

    Seriously, people need to read The Dark Knight returns. The idea of Batman beatingSuperman isn't as black and white as a lot here are presuming. There's a subtlety to the way the story is dealt with and it doesn't involve Batman firing weapons at Superman, it's about sending a message. At the risk of sounding offensive, people are making assumptions without necessarily having all the information, much like those who think they know Fleming, but haven't actually read more than a book.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I have to be honest, I'm just not into the comic book/graphic novel world whatsoever, so at times, I'll probably sound ignorant and have no clue what I'm talking about, because with this film, I'm going to have no idea what to expect at all.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Irrespective of who wrote what, the fact is, superman is the quintessential Boy Scout which in turn by default puts him at a disadvantage to some degree but if Supes really wanted to and dropped the whole super nice guy nonsense, there's not a single person and that includes the pointy eared detective on this earth that can **** with him. Not even in the slightest but its pointless in the end because however things play out depends on the writer and writers have had comic book characters do some really stupid things or forget they have certain abilities to get out of certain situations.
  • I also think they'll bring the Amazonian in to the movie as well...
  • edited August 2013 Posts: 2,599
    I've never read the comics (not really into them) but I tend to think that Batman and his world should remain an entirely separate entity to the other superheroes and their worlds because of the fact that Batman in the end is a normal man like James Bond. Well, normal in the fact that neither men actually have super powers like all the other superheroes. Combine all the superheroes in one film but leave Batman out of it. In terms of the comics, it's too late for that now though. I mean, in a world with heroes who have super human capabilities, would there be any need for Batman? I suppose they can't be in all cities at one time though.

    In these Batman v Superman comics, does Batman travel to Metropolis or does Superman travel to Gotham City? Or both?
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Both.
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    http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/27/batman-vs-superman-is-detroit-the-new-gotham?abthid=521cfdc127dbf2c857000009

    So Detroit Morocco and Toronto

    Detroit Gotham City
    Toronto Metropolis

    Morocco..... Base where Lady Shiva is I hope I hope
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    In the comics Superman became so powerfull no one would defeat him. Be interesting to see if they allow Superman to evolve within the following movies. The reason that the infinite crisis happened was to make Superman more accessable, pre infinite crisis for example Doomsday would not last two seconds against Superman.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    In the comics Superman became so powerful no one would defeat him.

    Oh, you mean like when he flew up to a sun and blew it out like a candle? DC should have never done that.
    Be interesting to see if they allow Superman to evolve within the following movies.

    I've not seen Man of Steel, but I'm pretty certain he flies in that film. I wish they'd taken his flight ability away, and kept him on leaping. That would have been the best way to start off Superman's evolution.
    The reason that the infinite crisis happened was to make Superman more accessable, pre infinite crisis for example Doomsday would not last two seconds against Superman.

    Doomsday would be a killer bad guy for a Justice League film.
  • Posts: 6,432
    In the comics Superman became so powerful no one would defeat him.

    Oh, you mean like when he flew up to a sun and blew it out like a candle? DC should have never done that.
    Be interesting to see if they allow Superman to evolve within the following movies.

    I've not seen Man of Steel, but I'm pretty certain he flies in that film. I wish they'd taken his flight ability away, and kept him on leaping. That would have been the best way to start off Superman's evolution.
    The reason that the infinite crisis happened was to make Superman more accessable, pre infinite crisis for example Doomsday would not last two seconds against Superman.

    Doomsday would be a killer bad guy for a Justice League film.

    It did get crazy, in the comics Superman became more powerful than any other character Marvel or DC. Superman prime had ability at god like status. Agree would love to see Doomsday, think it will happen a few films down the line.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    In the comics Superman became so powerful no one would defeat him.

    Oh, you mean like when he flew up to a sun and blew it out like a candle? DC should have never done that.

    Wait...What?! The sun is what gives Superman energy and enhances his powers, so why would he do such a thing?!
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    Love to see Superman in the core of the sun in a movie, regenerating. Would be awesome.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    edited August 2013 Posts: 11,139
    Funny, especially that guy who said he proposed to his gf because life's too short but still, a sad and pathetic overreaction in which the same people hating are still going to see the movie(s) anyway.
  • edited August 2013 Posts: 2,599
    jolearon wrote:

    LOL! That's hilarious. I know that Affleck looks the part but how well will he act in the part? I am one person who doesn't like to underestimate an actor's versatility but I'm having a bit of a hard time seeing Affleck nailing this part acting wise. Of course, I hope that I'm wrong.

  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Ben can act.

    This really is turning into (and I don't mean the last few posters at all; I mean the general public) another CraigIsNotBond scenario.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    In the comics Superman became so powerful no one would defeat him.

    Oh, you mean like when he flew up to a sun and blew it out like a candle? DC should have never done that.

    Wait...What?! The sun is what gives Superman energy and enhances his powers, so why would he do such a thing?!

    Not our sun. It was a dying star, or something, and he literally just flew up there and blew it out. I've never actually read the issue, Denny O'Neill described it on the documentary "Look, Up In the Sky! The Amazing Story of Superman". Pretty good documentary, too. I caught it on A&E back when Superman Returns was first coming out in theaters.

    I was at my library yesterday, and found this book about comics artists responding to 9/11, and the first two-pager in the book has Superman describing all these things that he can do, and then he says that he can't become real and stop a real threat from hurting real people. It was actually pretty good.
  • edited August 2013 Posts: 6,432
    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/culture/2013/08/29/films/snyder-ponders-supermans-ultimate-dilemma/#.Uh99Gzasim5

    Snyder comments on collateral damage in Man of Steel. Interesting read, comments on his take of the Superman myth.
  • RC7RC7
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    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/culture/2013/08/29/films/snyder-ponders-supermans-ultimate-dilemma/#.Uh99Gzasim5

    Snyder comments on collateral damage in Man of Steel. Interesting read, comments on his take of the Superman myth.

    I always envisaged the collateral damage was to be the catalyst for Luthor. After all, what better way to turn Metropolis against Supes than to have his arch-nemesis and psuedo-philanthropist rebuild a city and spin it all back on the Man of Steel.

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