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  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
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    Wow, very surprised to see people ranking RO below TPM and AOTC. I'm still trying to absorb it all, but right now I'd probably rank it somwehere in the middle.
  • Master_DaharkMaster_Dahark
    Posts: 4,813
    I'll finally be seeing it this afternoon, and I can finally go back and read all the spoiler tags, lol.

    I'm surprised at the rankings too @pachazo. Earlier this week it was sounding like the best one since Empire.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    1 THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK
    2 THE FORCE AWAKENS
    3 STAR WARS
    4 RETURN OF THE JEDI
    5 REVENGE OF THE SITH
    6 THE PHANTOM MENACE
    7 ROGUE ONE
    8 ATTACK OF THE CLONES
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
    Posts: 7,653
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Master_Dahark wrote: »
    I'll finally be seeing it this afternoon, and I can finally go back and read all the spoiler tags, lol.

    I'm surprised at the rankings too @pachazo. Earlier this week it was sounding like the best one since Empire.

    I saw it last night. Complete shit.

    Thank you for your insightful review, but everybody has an opinion which is something else than a fact. As our favorite right wing cowboy once said:"'Opinions are like assholes anybody has got one."

  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    There really wasn't much more I could add.

    Then don't if a lot of people enjoy it so be it, after the brutish dismissal of Bats VS supes and the suicide squad and anybody who dared to enjoy it Star wars should not be another such discussion

  • patbpatb
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    I think Kermode's job is safe
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    patb wrote: »
    Interesting rankings, I think there is so much deep rooted affection for the orignal three movies (and the characters within them) that it may be impossible to create new movies within the franchise that can compete (perhaps a little like Star Trek?). I did my very best to judge RO on its own merits and really liked it as a standalone movie but, within rankings, I completely understand that it will struggle against movies that included cultural icons such as Yoda, Chewy etc etc These have become more than just movies, they have become part of our cultural heritage which is a great thing but it does get in the way of being able to judge any new additions to the franchise with a completely open mind. I have seen some forums where some said that they preferred RO to any of the original movies and this opinion was met with complete disbelief and, with some, anger.

    It doesn't come close to the first two but I enjoy it more than Return of the Jedi, which is the weakest of the OT by a considerable margin.
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
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    I think it was awesome that...
    Unused footage from A New Hope was used in Rogue One eg Red Leader and Gold Leader.
  • patbpatb
    edited December 2016 Posts: 4,615
    yes, clever stuff and fast edits within so many levels of action that it just seems to work very well
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
    edited December 2016 Posts: 6,432
    They really did mine alot of Lucas's unused ideas and concept art that was not used like Vaders Castle, that is why the film felt authentic for me. Going to try and watch it a second time in next couple of days.

    Bought the Rogue One Soundtrack it's not bad, considering it was done in four weeks Giacchino did well I think. I notice he has many critics, personally I like the scores I have purchased of his. I am Score junkie, I have every Star Wars Score.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    It sounded like a SW score to me. Great stuff.
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
    edited December 2016 Posts: 6,432
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    It sounded like a SW score to me. Great stuff.

    In isolation it's OK there are maybe four stand out themes/suites, to be honest it was the same for TFA. I often find the music cues and incidental music is always strong point in the Star Wars films.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited December 2016 Posts: 23,883
    The score was ok, but it's no John Williams. That much was clear to me after watching TFA a few nights back. The earlier film's score is far superior with more recognizable themes.

    It's like Barry for Bond vs. Arnold. Williams is the master, and the others borrow from his template.
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
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    bondjames wrote: »
    The score was ok, but it's no John Williams. That much was clear to me after watching TFA a few nights back. The earlier film's score is far superior with more recognizable themes.

    It's like Barry for Bond vs. Arnold. Williams is the master, and the others borrow from his template.

    Totally agree like Barry before him you never want Williams to stop, unfortunately all good things...

  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    I didn't outright hate the score, but it simply wasn't up to snuff, and it can't just be because it wasn't Williams, because I love Kevin Kiner's scores in The Clone Wars and Rebels. There were good moments and there were moments that were no so good, that's about the best I can say about it.

    I'll be grateful for Episode VIII and John Williams' return.
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
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    Agent007391 wrote: »
    I didn't outright hate the score, but it simply wasn't up to snuff, and it can't just be because it wasn't Williams, because I love Kevin Kiner's scores in The Clone Wars and Rebels. There were good moments and there were moments that were no so good, that's about the best I can say about it.

    I'll be grateful for Episode VIII and John Williams' return.
    Jettisoned Desplat and only four weeks for Giacchino had a baring, think Michael did ok considering the circumstances on Rogue One.
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    It's ridiculous that with the money and power, not to mention fan loyalty and expectations, at this studio's disposal that any element should have to have "considering the circumstances" after it. But you are correct.

    I enjoyed the film though you have a point, very close to release major changes took place including major reshoots. After the first trailer I found Jyn Erso obnoxious, they really toned down her character prior to release. I always have interest in multiple cuts of films, as I enjoy looking at the evolution of a film and analysis of why certain choices were made. I would be interested to see Rogue One prior to these major changes.

  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited December 2016 Posts: 8,216
    Agent007391 wrote: »
    I didn't outright hate the score, but it simply wasn't up to snuff, and it can't just be because it wasn't Williams, because I love Kevin Kiner's scores in The Clone Wars and Rebels. There were good moments and there were moments that were no so good, that's about the best I can say about it.

    I'll be grateful for Episode VIII and John Williams' return.

    For a score written and recorded in a month, he did a good job. If he had been given the standard amount of time (anything between 6-12 months) I think Giacchino would have nailed it.

    There are a lot of filler tracks, but "Your Father Would Be Proud" and "Hope" are strong contenders for cue of the year, imho. Super stuff.

    That being said, I'm still curious to hear what Desplat's work would have sounded like. I wasn't overjoyed at him getting the gig in the first place, but still....it would have been an interesting effort.
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
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    'Hope' as short as it is, is an intense and very effective piece of music.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    fire_and_ice wrote: »
    'Hope' as short as it is, is an intense and very effective piece of music.

    Once you've seen the film and know what visuals it accompanies it actually gets better, too.
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
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    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    fire_and_ice wrote: »
    'Hope' as short as it is, is an intense and very effective piece of music.

    Once you've seen the film and know what visuals it accompanies it actually gets better, too.
    Agree I have seen that particular scene more than once, it's unbelievable.
  • DRush76DRush76
    edited December 2016 Posts: 533
    It was a pretty good movie. I enjoyed it more than I did "The Force Awakens". I thought the last half hour was a bit over-the-top and wished that the writers had changed the dynamics of the goal to steal the Death Star plans.

    The score was ok, but it's no John Williams.

    You're right. The score wasn't John Williams at his best. Then again, "The Force Awakens" wasn't John Williams at his best.
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
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    Alot of fun Uber Star Wars fans will enjoy this
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I saw this trailer in the theatre (back when trailers were original and unique, with character) a few months before the film was released. Remember, pre-internet, so this was the first most of us had ever heard of STAR WARS. I remember, intrigued though not overly excited, thinking that it looked unlike anything that I had seen before. That John Williams score certainly makes a difference.


    The voice over is fantastic, I love 70s movie trailers. Watched the trailer for Silent Running a few hours ago bit of nostalgia equally as good.

  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
    edited December 2016 Posts: 6,432
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I'v never seen SILENT RUNNING. I need to check it out.
    Douglas Trumbull directed the film has a very good message, it's certainly worth a look Bruce Dern is excellent in the film.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I think SILENT RUNNING is an interesting little film, somewhere between 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY and LOGAN'S RUN in terms of visual quality.
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
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    1970's was a great decade for thoughtful science fiction, I know 2001 was at the end of the 60's though was a big influence on films that followed.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I fully agree, @fire_and_ice!

    - 2001
    - Planet Of The Apes (also at the end of the '60s)
    - Logan's Run
    - Silent Running
    - Invasion Of The Body Snatchers ('78)
    - Soylent Green
    - ...
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
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    -THX 1138
    -Demon Seed
    -Omega Man had its moments.
    -Close Encounters of the Third Kind
    -Was going to say Fahrenheit 451 though that film was made alot earlier than I remembered.
    -Star Wars though I feel it's more fantasy.
    -Not forgetting Robert Wises Star Trek The Motion Picture which owes heavily to 2001.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Yeah, you're right! I actually rather love ST TMP, which I know isn't a popular opinion.
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