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That was a one off to show that I don't necessarily insist on GE or SP being the two best Bond movies ever.
Of course what I may think is objective, someone else will not agree on.
Now I have re-worked my yearly ranking that I'm doing of the Bond movies.
The 2016 James Bond Film Ranking of Jason Stephen Bond.
I will give you the rankings of the few last years as well for comparison.
2016
1 SP / 2 GE / 3 TLD / 4 OHMSS / 5 CR / 6 OP / 7 FRWL / 8 GF
9 QOS / 10 TND / 11 FYEO / 12 TSWLM / 13 MR / 14 LTK /15 DAF / 16 LALD
17 DAD / 18 DN / 19 TB / 20 YOLT / 21 AVTAK / 22 TMWTGG / 23 TWINE / 24 SF
2015
1 GE / 2 TLD / 3 OHMSS / 4 CR / 5 OP / 6 FRWL / 7 FYEO / 8 GF
9 LTK / 10 TND / 11 LALD / 12 QOS / 13 TSWLM / 14 MR / 15 DAD /16 DN
17 SF / 18 TWINE / 19 TB / 20 YOLT / 21 AVTAK / 22 TMWTGG 23 DAF
2014
1 GE / 2 TLD / 3 OHMSS / 4 CR / 5 OP / 6 FRWL / 7 GF / 8 LTK
9 TND / 10 DAD / 11 TSWLM / 12 MR / 13 SF / 14 DN / 15 FYEO / 16 TWINE
17 TB / 18 YOLT / 19 AVTAK / 20 QOS / 21 LALD / 22 TMWTGG / 23 DAF
The "ultimate" one off ranking based on objectivity and preference.
1 OHMSS / 2 GF / 3 FRWL / 4 CR / 5 TSWLM / 6 GE / 7 TLD / 8 FYEO / 9 SP / 10 DN
I highlighted the films that underwent the greatest changes.
Some 17 films haven't changed much or at all during the years in my ranking. The top 6 even stayed the same, they are very cemented in that order, only SP managed to go straight to the top, making it a cemented Top 7 now.
DAF and QOS I long viewed upon unfavourably and with prejudice. DAF because of it's cheap look and humour I long didn't get and QOS because of the worst editing job ever in the franchise and for being even more rude to Cubby's vision than CR was (Gun-Barrel, shaken not stirred, Bond, James Bond and such things).
But I can better myself and throwing those sentiments overboard I realised how great those two films truly are.
DAF has made it to No 15 and QOS even into my Top 10 and to be honest I believe it will stay there.
As for the most unpopular film on this forum, DAD, that one was once my No 2 right after GE, that was in 2002. The movie was a great success with critics and the audience and back then everybody celebrated another great Bond movie, at least here in Switzerland. After 2006 DAD steadily went down the ranking, but stayed in the Top 10 up to 2014.
I can see though that I was too kind to that movie. Falling to No 15 and now to No 17 seems right to me. It won't fall any further though I think.
Hope this was somehow a bit interesting. If not, sorry ;)
But we get past such affronts and eventually find joy in what the films do well.
I did punish both CR and QoS at the time, by only ponying up for three paid admissions for each film, instead of the usual, as many visits as I could manage, before the film was yanked from cinema.
Got my numbers back up with SP...though..7 paid admissions. SF I think was four.
There is nothing like Bond on the big screen. One immerses andescapes into the world.
That's why I think TB requires a major big screen presentation or a really good home system. Pacing then is no longer an issue. One can instead relax, absorb and experience the sheer spectable of the cinematic presentation.
Hahaha you really need to stop masterbating so much .....im not interested in you ok ????
1. Goldfinger
2. From Russia With Love
3. Casino Royale
4. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
5. GoldenEye
6. Skyfall
7. The Spy Who Loved Me
8. Dr. No
9. Licence to Kill
10. For Your Eyes Only
11. The Living Daylights
12. You Only Live Twice
13. Tomorrow Never Dies
14. Thunderball
15. Quantum of Solace
16. Spectre
17. Octopussy
18. The World Is Not Enough
19. Live and Let Die
20. Diamonds are Forever
21. A View to a Kill
22. Die Another Day
23. The Man With The Golden Gun
24. Moonraker
Tier breaks (obviously) at line breaks, but I could see adding sub-tiers after 4 and 15.
I just adore GE, which I believe you have in the middle of the pack. Both that and SF have sentimental value for me in addition to their simple quality as Bond films.
@timmer Nice analysis, That list sounds about right, there definitely is a sort of tier sytem. In general the placings fluctuate within the tiers but usually don't go outside the tiers.
One thing I should add is that I used the latest ranking of each member, as some members like to rank them every other month! This avoids doubling up and reflects the latest opinion, especially in the case of the latest film whose position will eventually settle
Congratulations of using pen and paper! Impossible task!
The quality that the earlier films had is that there was much less studio control, and audience expectations, so that the filmmakers could make the films without distractions. The latest films have too many cooks and it shows in the recent films.
@Gustav_Graves I do agree that there are some great touches to SF/SP and the character interactions are among the best in the franchise. But there's too many little annoyances that take me away from the experience, the simplest example is the "Dead are Alive" right after the GB. The car chase is visually beautiful and cheap gags are humurous but ultimately feel lacking.
My apparent "bias" is only towards the first 2 films which rank 9 and 4 (and I have TND at 8).
DN as a remake would be an interesting exercise, they will have the resources to polish what is lacking in the original (the obstacle course, DN's death). But the problem these days is too many bean counters and cooks running the studios
1. DR NO
2. GOLDFINGER
3. FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE
4. THE SPY WHO LOVED ME
5. THUNDERBALL
6. ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE
7. THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS
8. OCTOPUSSY/NSNA
9. CASINO ROYALE
10. LIVE AND LET DIE
11. LICENCE TO KILL
12. FOR YOUR EYES ONLY
13. A VIEW TO A KILL
14.DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER
15.YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE
16. SKYFALL
17. GOLDENEYE
18. SPECTRE
19. MOONRAKER
20. THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN/ CR 54
21. TOMORROW NEVER DIES/ CR 67
22. QUANTUM OF SOLACE
23. THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH
24. DIE ANOTHER DAY
You're right. I may have to re-think that. Sadly, I actually don't have the 67 CR anymore to pop in and rank.
Come on chaps,QOS is rising in most peoples opinions...as for that other piece of cinematic shit...why even bother with it ??!!
Very relatable rankings here.
A stellar top 6. Top 3 honors the series early filmmaking brilliance and Connery in his young prime. And DN at number #1 again!!!!!
@benny has started a trend.
The bloated Mendes films are appropriately low in the order.
Not the worst thing either to dump the Brozzer films at bottom. These movies have their Bond entertainment value, but that period was not exactly a stellar stetch of Bond filmmaking
The dreary QoS is rightly among the bottom feeders
Also of interest and maybe significance, is that your bottom 4, comprises the output of the 4 '90s -'00s era of one-off Bond directors.
My objective ranking (mixed with personal preference) is about the quality of a movie, the screenplay, direction, cinematography, score, acting, cast and of course overall perception and enjoyment.
Actually I believe that a few of the Top 10 movies in my personal ranking really belong to the 10 best James Bond movies.
Like FRWL GF or OHMSS and CR.
But I do believe that TLD and GE belong there too.
But GE being my No 1 for 20 years I still know it's not really the best Bond movie ever made. That would be OHMSS, GF or FRWL.
OP which is in my Top 10 since I even made my first ranking is a great entertaining movie, still I do not believe it really belongs into an objective Top 10, I would place it in the middle, probably No 15.
I think we all can try to be objective, I even will admit that SF probably belongs just outside the Top 10, maybe at 12 or 13. Even if it is my No 24.
A complete objective ranking would probably look like this (in my opinion)
1 FRWL
2 OHMSS
3 GF
4 CR
5 DN
6 TSWLM
7 TLD
8 GE
9 TB
10 SP
11 SF
12 YOLT (pretty certain about this ranking up to No 12)
the rest is a bit difficult to put in order, but the last three certainly seem right to me.
13 FYEO
14 TND
15 OP
16 LTK
17 LALD
18 DAF
19 MR
20 DAD
21 QOS
22 TWINE
23 TMWTGG
24 AVTAK
My objective ranking (mixed with personal preference) is about the quality of a movie, the screenplay, direction, cinematography, score, acting, cast and of course overall perception and enjoyment.
Actually I believe that a few of the Top 10 movies in my personal ranking really belong to the 10 best James Bond movies.
Like FRWL GF or OHMSS and CR.
But I do believe that TLD and GE belong there too.
But GE being my No 1 for 20 years I still know it's not really the best Bond movie ever made. That would be OHMSS, GF or FRWL.
OP which is in my Top 10 since I even made my first ranking is a great entertaining movie, still I do not believe it really belongs into an objective Top 10, I would place it in the middle, probably No 15.
I think we all can try to be objective, I even will admit that SF probably belongs just outside the Top 10, maybe at 12 or 13. Even if it is my No 24.
A complete objective ranking would probably look like this (in my opinion)
1 FRWL
2 OHMSS
3 GF
4 CR
5 DN
6 TSWLM
7 TLD
8 GE
9 TB
10 SP
11 SF
12 YOLT (pretty certain about this ranking up to No 12)
the rest is a bit difficult to put in order, but the last three certainly seem right to me.
13 FYEO
14 TND
15 OP
16 LTK
17 LALD
18 DAF
19 MR
20 DAD
21 QOS
22 TWINE
23 TMWTGG
24 AVTAK
What does this mean? I think it means Campbell and Mendes impressed sufficiently that they were invited back, but in the case of other 4 it was no thanks. In the case of both Tamahori and Forster I think it might have even been- not an effen chance.
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@w2bond
I did that too for the same reason. Our methodology was identical. Great data-hungry minds think alike.
As for pencil and paper. Now that I think about it, it wasn't that hard. I had a chart. It was just a matter of manually inputting points for each film. Each movie had a row. And then adding the fresh totals and then stacking the aggregate. I think I did 10 lists a day until I had a 100.
But digital data entry is clearly more efficient. Less room for error at least in the adding,but the numbers still have to be accurately entered.
A little summary of the Jan 2011 list aggregation. The totals got blown-up when the old Mi6 got blowed up like Blofeld's SP meteor base.
So CR was a strong 3rd ahead of a pak of 4, that trailed the clear cut #'s 1, 2 and #3
That's quite significant I think. CR has been on an upward trajectory ever since.
Yes, it's interesting to read people's opinions but also to get raw data to find out the general consensus. Often the vocal minority makes you think opinions for a film has changed when it really hasn't (ge, QoS, gf).
Also to track trends over time (not much change since 2006). Unfortunately i haven't been able to find many rankings prior to that.
Thanks for that! It's a shame the old records are gone. There's still a few old lists from the CBN/ajb forums
I've also sourced lists from around the net and it's mostly consistent with Bond forums except GF is the undisputed winner. This list comprises of entertainment websites and YouTube etc so it will also include Bond fans but also casual audience who have taken the effort to watch them all. For the casual reviews especially media sites the reasons can be really throwaway like 'i like oddjob' or one from a female YouTuber who ranked FRWL near last because she didn't like how women were treated.
I just...don't get it. People putting SP 24th and putting entirely flawed films like DAD, AVTAK and DAF higher.
Mr Big being exploded like a balloon, the sexist treatment of ladies in DAF, CGI surf scenes, unconvincing acting, girls in bikini's, because 'it's easier to see what they are hiding', Moore being doubled constantly.....I don't get it :-).
@ToTheRight
Can I ask you to drop your top 10 here:
http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/16631/bond-polls-2016-the-big-james-bond-007-film-contest-your-top-10-of-best-bond-films/p1
I'd like to see NSNA get some points in Gustav's Best Bond Movie Poll.
Cheers
That is true. But I did found some instance where people really liked SP on first watch in the cinema. And then...after all the discussions in here......they let it sink to the bottom. I usually don't do it, and let my experience on first watch weigh as well.
But indeed, it's all a matter of taste also ;-).
Quality wise (with the exception of mainly the plot and score) Imo spectre fares quite well
I'm with you Gustav. I can understand people hating a movie, or their opinion changing through time. But I can't understand someone really enjoying it and then just a month or so later hating it.
@Birdleson - maybe in 10 years you'll like Spectre, something to look forward to.