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That was not my intention really :-). But I do think the film deserves a bit more praise. Official or not official, it still is a film featuring Ian Fleming's James Bond 007. Moreover, taking into account the absence of typical formula items like a gunbarrel sequence and Bond music with Monty Norman's theme tune, it did set a standard that CR and SF more or less followed up. These official films were deliberately steering away from the formulario approach, whereas NSNA had to do it because of legal problems. So in hindsight NSNA set a standard ;-). Also, Connery's portrayal as an aged 007 works much better than Roger Moore, which age problems were seen as a problem. We still have to see an official Bond film in which Bond really is written as a 55+ James Bond. Could be interesting. Lastly, Barbara Carrera's and Klaus-María Brandauer's portrayals as villains were completely fun and intense. Carrera even got a Golden Globe nomination for her role, which many fans in here tend to forget.
Well said, Gustav! In addition GE has several elements that owe itself to NSNA. The laser watch, obviously, Onatopp is in the same mold as Fatima, and the concept that the M we know and loved has been replaced. I don't count Robert Brown as it has never been made official he was Hargreaves replacing Miles. If so, OCTOPUSSY did absolutely nothing with it. GE and NSNA make it very clear from the get go that this is a new M that doesn't abide by Bond's ways.
1. OHMSS (76.25) (5)
2. OP (73.25) (2)
3. CR (71.5) (3)
4. FRWL (70.5) (4)
5. TLD (67.25) (1)
6. GE (62.25) (6)
7. DN (60) (10)
8. MR (60) (11)
9. FYEO (59.75) (7)
10. LTK (58.75) (13)
11. TSWLM (57.5) (8)
12. AVTAK (57.25) (15)
13. TB (54) (19)
14. TND (49) (9)
15. DAF (45) (12)
16. GF (42.5) (16)
17. YOLT (42) (14)
18. TWINE (37.5) (21)
19. LALD (37) (20)
20. TMWTGG (34.5) (17)
21. QOS (34.5) (22)
22. SP (34.5) (24)
23. SF (34) (23)
24. DAD (30.5) (18)
There's this one though. A collection of rankings from Movie Critics & Entertainment Websites (so editors who aren't necessarily Bond fans). All of them included the last Bond film. It took me a while to compile the list, but it gives you a pretty good idea of what the media thinks of the Bond films:
I know, it's still not objective ;-). But it gives you an idea (The higher the ranking, the lower the points tally).
I wouldn't say that's true. I will say, however, that objectivity is largely impossible to possess. It's just a word people use to sound more special of opinion than they really are.
If I had to make a list of my favorite films and movies I think are the best, there would be massive parallels, because our minds naturally see what we like as the best; it's a human reaction. It's damn hard to look at a subjective medium like film and truly think without bias. Near impossible, as I said.
There are slight differences between the "film critic" and Bond forum lists, such as higher placement of GF and lower for OHMSS/TLD for film critics.
What surprises me time after time, how easily two Craig films are giving some of the biggest Connery classics a hard time. I mean, look at one of my favourite Brosnan films, GE. Are SF and CR then films that are making Connery forget a tiny bit?
Exactly. What s objective is a subjective assessment.
That is because they are still "new".
In 10 years the picture will look different again. Especially once a new actor has taken over.
It'll be interesting to look back on these films once we're all using walkers, laid up in retirement homes fighting over the last carton of week old prune juice and likely still moaning about which actor is going to be Bond if 007 #12 drops out. By that time someone will likely have found a way to implant the memories, thoughts and feelings of notable people from history into robots or the brains of humans, and we can get Ian's conscience back to write more Bond novels for us, or at least get him working on the screenplays for Bond films #43, 44 and 45.
In between waits for the movies we could all meet up to have races on our hover boards.
1. CR (7689^)
2. GF (7663)
3. FRWL (7227)
4. SF (7140^)
5. GE (6729)
6. OHMSS (6371)
7. TSWLM (6233)
8. DN (5832)
9. TLD (5152)
10. LTK (5116)
11. TB (4893)
12. SP (4849^)
13. FYEO (4617)
14. YOLT (4501)
15. LALD (4477)
16. TND (4006)
17. TWINE (3496)
18. OP (3381)
19. TMWTGG (3302)
20. QOS (3265^)
21. MR (2859)
22. DAF (2779)
23. AVTAK (2615)
24. DAD (1993)
^Many of these rankings were done pre-SP/SF so these films are projected numbers especially for SF/SP
Notes
- CR is on a roll and leads in both the Bond forum and non-forum ranks
- The top five are largely the same between MI6C and this list, except TLD replaces SF in the Bond community
- Octopussy ranks lower in the general community (by 3 spots)
- Otherwise it's surprisingly similar
One day I will upload the graphs and box and whisker charts
Those 7 lead in any compilation of rankings and the more you add the more clear that picture gets.
5 out of 6 actors have at least one movie in the eternal classics section.
Shame Dalton wasn't appreciated more, he is my favourite.
Yep. And you don't even need many rankings for that trend to appear
I remember very well how CR was hailed in 2006 as the 'Best Bond Film since Connery's GF'. But...we're 10 years further now. And it's still rocking the charts. Something GE never did, even not when the movie critics released their reviews back in 1995. Most reviews were about the relief that Bond was finally back after 6 years.
2. Licence To Kill
3. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
4. From Russia With Love
5. Tomorrow Never Dies
6. For Your Eyes Only
7. The Spy Who Loved Me
8. You Only Live Twice
9. Octopussy
10. The World Is Not Enough
11. Spectre
12. Dr No
13. GoldenEye
14. Live And let Die
15. The Man With The Golden Gun
16. Die Another Day
17. Skyfall
18. Goldfinger
19. Moonraker
20. Thunderball
21. Casino Royale
22. A View To A Kill
23. Diamonds Are Forever
24. Quantum Of Solace
That ranking will likely remain until I have another Bondathon (whenever that'll be).
GE was never hailed as being as good as GF but it was HUGELY POPULAR and still is.
To say people only liked it because they were relieved that Bond is back is rubbish.
Well said. One cannot emphasize enough just how big an event it was to have Bond back on the screen in GE. It was very much loved and Pierce was immediately embraced.
When Thunderfinger is agreeing with something regarding GE/Brosnan, then it's definitely true.
1 SP
2 GE
3 TLD
4 OHMSS
5 CR
6 OP
no doubt whatsoever about the Top 6
7 FRWL
8 GF
it seems impossible to decide which one is better, always the one I'm watching I find slightly better than the other! how do you rank them and with what reasoning?
9 QOS
in 8 years this film constantly went up from 19 to 8, that's as far as it will go though
10 TND stayed always on 9 or 10 in my yearly official final ranking
11 FYEO
12 TSWLM
13 MR
Roger Moore gives me the most headache with ranking. While OP clearly is up there, his other 4 movies FYEO, TSWLM, MR and LALD are almost impossible to get into an order.
14 LTK this is wrong, how it got down here I have no clue, I must have been in a bad mood I guess. So this has to be corrected at least.
15 DAF I only discovered my love for it a couple of years ago. 15 seems right and the only way will be up if it will move again.
16 LALD as LTK this seems way to low in my ranking, but where to put it...
17 DAD if anything this should go up a bit, somewhere near MR perhaps, but it's tricky.
18 DN the reason I want to rethink my ranking. Just seen it and it's bloody perfect. At this moment I want to have it near FRWL/GF but hey it's crowded at the top!
no doubt about my bottom 6, the order within them may change but none of them will ever go further up than 19.
19 TB
20 YOLT
21 AVTAK
22 TMWTGG
23 TWINE
24 SF
so you see I am struggling, I admit I'm a bit obsessed with rankings and I want them to be reflecting how I feel about the films in each year.
11 to 18 is the problem, 8 films that I consider flawless in the sense that I fully enjoy them and can with ease look over any minor issues they may have.
Ranking them though is a nightmare.
Maybe you can help me?
There are a few possible orders I can think of:
FYEO-LTK-DN-TSWLM-DAF-LALD-MR-DAD
or
LTK-DN-TSWLM-FYEO-LALD-DAF-MR-DAD
deciding things is difficult for me, my star sign is virgo with ascendent virgo! so there you go...
LTK-TSWLM-DN-LALD-FYEO-MR-DAF-DAD