The Eurovision Song Contest Thread

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  • edited February 2017 Posts: 11,119
    Just LISTEN and WATCH this for a moment. PLEASE, I beg you. All of you!

    The Netherlands 2014:


    The Netherlands 2017:
  • Katrina and the Waves last time this registered
  • Katrina and the Waves last time this registered

    It's still my favourite winner ever! Very much like Netherlands 2014, Ireland 1994 and Netherlands 2017. A bit of country, good melody and certainly anthemic!

    UK 1997:


    Ireland 1994:


    Two other wonderful songs. And EVERYONE in here who says THESE songs and the above Dutch entries are CHEESY, I will personally torture with a rope!
    X(
  • MrcogginsMrcoggins Following in the footsteps of Quentin Quigley.
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    Yes you would like that GG I bet you would ;)
  • Mrcoggins wrote: »
    Yes you would like that GG I bet you would ;)

    Oooowh bet I do!
    >:)
  • edited February 2017 Posts: 6,432
    Katrina and the Waves last time this registered

    It's still my favourite winner ever! Very much like Netherlands 2014, Ireland 1994 and Netherlands 2017. A bit of country, good melody and certainly anthemic!

    UK 1997:


    Ireland 1994:


    Two other wonderful songs. And EVERYONE in here who says THESE songs and the above Dutch entries are CHEESY, I will personally torture with a rope!
    X(

    Sorry can't take the competition seriously, too much political voting for best part of 20 years.

  • Posts: 7,507
    But these are not great sengs, @Gustav_Graves. They're average songs that stand out because the rest are so rubbish! There is so much great music in the world, and yet people spend so much time on these second rate snoozefests...
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    @jobo

    Exactly! EXACTLY!

    Remember when Lordi or whatever they were called won with Hard Rock Halleluyah? Some people went nuts over it, like what a great song that was and so on. Look, it is not. Metallica, Nightwish, ..., they'd all reject it. Katrina and the Waves? If it hadn't been for the Eurovision buzz, that thing would have popped up on the radio somewhere and disappeared fast enough. We were passed that point, people!

    By the time we got that "Ooh Aaah, Just A Little Bit" in the mid 90s, this kind of dance pop had already left our party playlists ages ago. These people are trailing dangerously behind the mainstream trends. And some countries, it feels, have yet to realise that we're actually in the 21ct century now.

    If Eurosong had been about innovation, doing something new, coming up with experiments, I might be on board. But after several editions of computers assembling

    a) some 90s dance beats - and not very good ones
    b) some flutes and accordions
    c) failed lyrics

    I gave up. Half of that show is happy gypsy pop and the rest is more or less bland too. I used to enjoy the national pre-selections because they brought interesting stuff to the table. Sadly, most of that interesting stuff was rejected no doubt on the basis of not being commercially viable. Instead, we got some average has-been music or a few jokes. The music industry is getting rich off it, but not by my doing.
  • jobo wrote: »
    But these are not great sengs, @Gustav_Graves. They're average songs that stand out because the rest are so rubbish! There is so much great music in the world, and yet people spend so much time on these second rate snoozefests...

    I ffff-ing disagree. Post something that, according to you, should go to Eurovision...that according to you is top-notch high-end songwriting.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Two other wonderful songs. And EVERYONE in here who says THESE songs and the above Dutch entries are CHEESY, I will personally torture with a rope!
    X(

    Watching the contest would be torture enough.
  • GBFGBF
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    I quite enjoy watching the Eurovisison Song Contest and there are alway a few nice songs. However, I find that there are three main problems:

    1. the song length. Since the songs are limited to 3 minutes, it is very difficult to really develop a song. Therefore many songs seem a bit rushed to me.

    2. Very few songs really express something country specific (last year's winner was an exeption). Most songs are even written by the very same Swedish songwriting team. Therefore there is not really so very much variety in the contest. I would prefer that the song must have been written by someone from the same country; sorry Sweden :-)

    3. Too much focus is given on weird outfits and an absurd staging.

    Few songs manage to be successfull or at least memorable enough to be remembered by the audience one or two years later. Hardly ever has the ESC really affected the music business by setting new trends, very often the majority of songs sounded quite dated instead of being ahead of its time.

    I like the basic concept but I also find that the competition is way too political meanwhile since some countries express their hate instead of tolerating each other. If the competition was not taken co very seriously and the participating countries were more open for experiments, I would probably enjoy the contest more.

  • Then please give some examples from what you like to hear at Eurovision then....
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Then please give some examples from what you like to hear at Eurovision then....

    "We've tortured and tormented you for all these years. So this year will be our last."

    That would be fine, or words to that effect.
  • Well, let's close this topic then. If there can't be any constructive discussion with arguments based on performances that people in here have actually seen.

    Because so far, I only hear grotesque ignorance. Nothing else.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Drama queen. I am sure there will be discussion once more entries are known.


  • This would be a worthy Eurovision wrong contest entry, no one else would stand a chance against this
  • GBFGBF
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    Then please give some examples from what you like to hear at Eurovision then....

    As I said, there are mostly a few nice songs each year. I remember the Hungarian song "Kedvesem" from 2013 which I thought was creative, country specific and it also did not sond dated. Another fine song was Dino Merlin's "Love In Rewind" from 2011. It was sung in English but had obvious traditional Balkan elements which I thought worked very well together.

    As I said, I guess the contest would be much more interesting if all countries were forced to let their own composers do the job instead of relying on the same song writing team everey year. The main objective should be to present your country with a song that could even be popular in your own country.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Silly thing is, those couple of Swedes who write the songs for half of the countries, are some of the worst songwriters ever.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    I remember a song about 20 years ago, it was the French entry. It was very good. Lost in the mists of time I imagine now. Sigh...
  • NicNac wrote: »
    I remember a song about 20 years ago, it was the French entry. It was very good. Lost in the mists of time I imagine now. Sigh...

    You mean this one? It was very nice :-). Got 7th place in 1997:


    Also nice examples, France 1991 (1st/2nd), France 1995 (4th), France 2009 (8th) and France 2016 (6th)




  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    I do really enjoy watching Eurovision each year. Yes, the songs aren't the greatest, but at this point, Eurovision seems a genre of music all of it's own.

    The glitz and campness are a bit of fun, and obviously something that isn't everyones cup of tea. But as an Australian watching the show, and now participating in official voting, it does disappoint me that the songs are becoming a bit of a generic blur. Some years more so than others.

    One of the reasons Eurovision is so popular in Australia, is because it has been broadcast on radio then television by SBS every single year, and it was really the only opportunity for people who had migrated from Europe after the war to hear music from their homelands.

    And this is what really saddens me watching the show each year. Yes, some songs infuse their countries traditional sounds into the song, but generally not. And most are sung in English. I strongly feel that to make it more challenging and stop those handful of Swedes writing every song, that songs should be sung in the native language of each country. Traditions in general are dying out, Eurovision should be supporting and showcasing more traditional sounding music, not turning into a camp disco.

    That's just my two cents, anyway.
  • edited February 2017 Posts: 11,119
    These three sisters are going for The Netherlands to Eurovision :x . The Dutch 'Sugababes'. And vocally truly spot-on!

  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    No thanks.
  • No thanks.

    Everything is a "NO" for you in this topic. So why bother posting in here
    ;;)?
  • edited February 2017 Posts: 7,507
    No thanks.

    Everything is a "NO" for you in this topic. So why bother posting in here
    ;;)?


    Everything is a 'YES' for you on this topic, so maybe it is time for some introspective soul searching? :)
  • jobo wrote: »
    No thanks.

    Everything is a "NO" for you in this topic. So why bother posting in here
    ;;)?


    Everything is a 'YES' for you on this topic, so maybe it is time for some introspective soul searching? :)

    Well, at least I am 'open' to listen and watch all the performances I have posted. Some people in here literally ignore to do so, while at the same time slamming Eurovision. That's not constructive. That's pure prejudiced banter, without any objective judgement. Eurovision is much more diverse than only being a whacky cheesy circus. How did Kelly-Anne Conway put it? 'alternative facts' :).
  • edited February 2017 Posts: 7,507
    jobo wrote: »
    No thanks.

    Everything is a "NO" for you in this topic. So why bother posting in here
    ;;)?


    Everything is a 'YES' for you on this topic, so maybe it is time for some introspective soul searching? :)

    Well, at least I am 'open' to listen and watch all the performances I have posted. Some people in here literally ignore to do so, while at the same time slamming Eurovision. That's not constructive. That's pure prejudiced banter, without any objective judgement. Eurovision is much more diverse than only being a whacky cheesy circus. How did Kelly-Anne Conway put it? 'alternative facts' :).


    And what makes you convinced we didn't listen to the links you posted? The fact that we were not impressed by that pile of generic and forgetable averageness? :) Straw man argumentation is a very 'Trumpian' move. I am sure you're proud...

    Instead of pretending that some very unimpressive videos will do the trick, you could maybe adress some of the very serious criticism raised previously. That of all the unecessary money splash, politics and division the Eurovision brings.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Hey, Gustav. I liked The Common Linnets. Ease up. It is just that it has been posted and commented on before.
  • Hey, Gustav. I liked The Common Linnets. Ease up. It is just that it has been posted and commented on before.



    Aaaah sorry, I must have missed that :-). Yeah, Netherlands 2014 was indeed a truly wonderful Eurovision entry. Something like that always scores well at Eurovision. We were so happy with that 2nd place.

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    It's catchy, but I unfortunately don't think it's going to win.
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