The Eurovision Song Contest Thread

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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I agree. This could be the winner.
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    Good to see that people seem to like Macedonia's entry this year :D I still want us to go for some crazy fun type of song but who am I to say... :D
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    Regarding my country Netherlands....the song on the radio on first listen to me was indeed a bit underwhelming. It has too many key changes and abrupt modulations that doesn’t do the melody and/or tune any favors. It’s a song that’s tailored entirely on the capabilities of the three vocalists.

    Yet, I mentioned Il Volo to that extend. And although the songs are entirely different -‘Il Grande Amore’ vs. ‘Lights And Shadows’-, they both share a certain lack of being contemporary enough. Not to mention being memorable enough if the actual singers weren’t performing it. Here is the *LIVE* version of 'Lights And Shadows': http://picosong.com/pgLh/

    But let’s have a look at semi final #2 then. And I really start to think that this could be the weakest semi final in years. It could very well be that only 2 or 3 qualifiers from this semi will enter the TOP 10 in the final:

    NON-QUALIFIERS:
    –> AUSTRIA: Personally I love this gentle singer-songwriter entry. I don’t understand why people compare it with Spain, but that’s beside the point. The problem with this entry is, that it lacks the “oomph” that Douwe Bob had. verdict: NQ
    –> MALTA: I’m not going to make any of my comments dirty on this….thing. verdict: NQ
    –> RUSSIA: Well, there’s a diplomatic war going on between Russia and Ukraine. Said about all this. But even if Julia can perform via satellite, I then think Russia has already destroyed all its chances. verdict: NQ
    –> ISRAEL: It’s a nice pop tune, has a big disco beat. But in that same genre I find Serbia and especially Macedonia way more superior. And this isn’t as fresh, Original and uplifting as Israel 2015. verdict: NQ
    –> CROATIA: This country used to be so good in the 1990’s. What happened to them :-(. I feel very sorry about them. verdict: NQ
    –> LITHUANIA: Nicely done, it is at least Original. But the song itself doesn’t really go anywhere. It tries to be so alternative, new age and fresh, but fails completely by trying. verdict: NQ
    –> SAN MARINO: I think it’s time for new EBU rules to not let certain artists and composers return year-after-year based on some kind of long-term contract, thus leading to huge payslips to Ralph Siegel and Valentina. I am against this. Then be like Monaco and Andorra and don’t join. verdict: NQ


    BORDERLINE QUALIFIERS:
    –> SWITZERLAND: Nice song…nice enough. But the leadsinger isn’t the best singer. And after 2 mins the song starts to bore me a bit. It slightly has a fanwank status if you ask me. verdict: BORDERLINE (OUT)
    –> NORWAY: It’s a real nice attempt to do funk at Eurovision. But I think Groove Armada is better. As if I listen to a more accessible, but not better Aphex Twins or Gorillaz. verdict: BORDERLINE (IN)
    –> ROMANIA: It becomes a bit tiresome that Romania can only send these kind of cheap songs. I think juries will grill it, but televoters love it. verdict: BORDERLINE (IN)
    –> DENMARK: Really? People really have this dull pop schlager as a certified qualifier? I think it will struggle similarly to Iceland in 2015. Anja isn’t the best singer either (she screeches way too much. verdict: BORDERLINE (OUT)
    –> BULGARIA: Contemporary pop ballad, but I don’t think it’s memorable on first listen. This is more dependent on staging than last year’s Bulgarian entry. verdict: BORDERLINE (IN)
    –> BELARUS: I think the Belarussians have the best chance to enter the final since 2014’s ‘Cheesecake’. Yet after two minutes the happy folk changes into too much repetition. verdict: BORDERLINE (IN)


    Despite the borderliners, these are…

    ....MY QUALIFIERS AT THE MOMENT:
    01. Estonia.gifESTONIA (this has an audience all across Europe)
    02. Macedonia.gifF.Y.R. MACEDONIA (I’m surprised myself!)
    03. Hungary.gifHUNGARY (wonderful ethnic folk song)
    04. The%20Netherlands.gifTHE NETHERLANDS (this could be a dark horse)
    05. Ireland.gifIRELAND (underestimated ballad, sticks better)
    06. Serbia.gifSERBIA (good, not as good as Macedonia)
    07. Romania.gifROMANIA (tacky, but still fun)
    08. Belarus.gifBELARUS (fun happy folk thingie)
    09. Bulgaria.gifBULGARIA (goes through, but with difficulty)
    10. Norway.gifNORWAY (lacks the fun Romania and Belarushave)


  • GBFGBF
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    @Gustav_Graves

    I agree in most areas but I guess that it is really clear that if Russia participates in whichever way it will qualify. I also think Bulgaria will end up much higher. Especially because this guy is Russian as far as I am concerned or he lives and is known there.

    I am not sure about Ireland. It could qualify but I don't think it is an obvious qualifyer. On the contrary I think that Israel has a chance, even though I don't like the song myself. Austria shouldn't be hopeless, too. There is no rule that calm song may not make it to the final.

    All in all, I guess that it is still very open who will qualify and who won't.

    My predictions are (if Russia does not participate):

    Obvious qualifyers:
    01. Bulgaria
    02. Serbia
    03. F.Y.R. Macedonia
    04. Romania
    05. Estonia

    Borderline qualifyers:
    06. Denmark
    07. Netherlands
    08. Hungary
    09. Israel
    10. Switzerland

    Borderline non qualifyers:
    11. Austria
    12. Belarus
    13. Norway
    14. Ireland

    Obvious non qualifyers:
    15. Lithuania
    16. Croatia
    17. Malta
    18. San Marino


  • GBFGBF
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    And for the first Semi Final:

    Obvious qualifyers:
    01. Poland
    02. Armenia
    03. Sweden
    04. Azerbaijan
    05. Belgium
    06. Greece

    Borderline qualifyers:
    07. Australia
    08. Latvia
    09. Finland
    10. Portugal

    Borderline non qualifyers:
    11. Moldova
    12. Iceland
    13. Czech Republic
    14. Cyprus
    15. Georgia
    16. Albania
    17. Montenegro

    Obvious non qualifyers:
    18. Slovenia

    This is very tough this time. There are quite many songs that have a chance of qualifying. Slovenia is the only one that I think is an obvious non qualifyer.
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    Hey @GBF, only two differences in our potential qualifiers ;-). And both two differences are both borderliners on our list. Having said that, I am really not sure about Denmark. I find it pretty much a bland, soulless attempt from this Scandinavian country. IMO the worst of the Nordics (for me: 1. Sweden, 2. Finland, 3. Iceland, 4. Norway, 5. Denmark).

    I already have a preliminary TOP 14 of the Grand Final (all entries that we will see back on the left hand side of the scoreboard):

    LEFT HAND SIDE SCOREBOARD, TOP 5:
    01. Sweden.gif-SWEDEN (perhaps the winner, bit of Michael Jackson throwback)
    01. Italy.gif-ITALY (perhaps the winner too, wonderful charming singer)
    03. Spain.gif-SPAIN (staged by Hans Pannecoucke. Belgium 2010 meets Sweden 2016)
    04. Finland.gif-FINLAND (imo best Finnish entry since 1998, very Enya-esque)
    05. Estonia.gif-ESTONIA (recall Denmark 2010? there's always a market for duets)
    LEFT HAND SIDE SCOREBOARD, TOP 10:
    06. Armenia.gif-ARMENIA (wow, stunning staging, best in the alternative section)
    07. United%20Kingdom.gif-UNITED KINGDOM (new mix is stunning, best UK entry since 1998)
    08. Macedonia.gif-F.Y.R. MACEDONIA (perhaps best Macedonian entry ever)
    09. Belgium.gif-BELGIUM (specialty song, like Netherlands 2013, 'Birds')
    10. Ireland.gif-IRELAND (contemporarily mixed ballad, with rousing climax)
    LEFT HAND SIDE SCOREBOARD, TOP 14:
    11. Hungary.gif-HUNGARY (fresh, contemporary, like '1944', sadly it has rap)
    12. The%20Netherlands.gif-THE NETHERLANDS (performers have 'Wow'-factor, like Il Volo)
    13. Bulgaria.gif-BULGARIA (very modern ballad, could do better depending on staging)
    14. Australia.gif-AUSTRALIA (modern ballad, comparablee to Sam Smith's repertoire)
    BORDERLINE ENTRIES FOR LEFT HAND SIDE SCOREBOARD:
    15. Romania.gif-ROMANIA (ghastly song, but exquisitly performed)
    15. Portugal.gif-PORTUGAL (I'm not sure if televoters like his motorical ticks)
    16. Iceland.gif-ICELAND (great Robyn-esque song, but singer doesn't engage)
    17. Serbia.gif-SERBIA (nice enough, but not as instant as Macedonia)
    18. Azerbaijan.gif-AZERBAIJAN (bit too alternative when compared with Macedonia)
    20. Austria.gif-AUSTRIA (happy enough, bit I think it's a bit too soft to remember)
    21. Cyprus.gif-CYPRUS (Thomas G:Son is back, but not as good as 'Euphoria')
    22. France.gif-FRANCE (good song, but I think it lacks charm)

    Mind you, a lot can change during the first rehearsals that will start on Monday the 25th of April :-). There we can see the full staging potential of every song and if that will enhance its chances on a good result. But at this moment the other 20 songs that I haven't mentioned in this 'TOP 22' are not among the best. @CraigMooreOHMSS, @Thunderfinger, @Creasy47, @fire_and_ice, @Red_Snow, @Gerard, @MajorDSmythe, @NicNac
  • GBFGBF
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    Well, I distiguish between my personal favourite and how I guess the semifinals will be. i also really dislike Denmark but think it might qualify. I can hardly imagine that Spain will end up high in the finals. I even think that Germany and Spain will end up 25th and 26th. It is still pretty difficutlt to predict the finals since we don't know who will qualify.

    However, if I had to, this would be my guess (already considering diaspora)

    01. Italy
    02. Belgium
    03. Armenia
    04. Sweden
    05. Azerbaijan

    06. Bulgaria
    07. Poland
    08. France
    09. Macedonia
    10. Greece

    11. Serbia
    12. Ukraine
    13. Estonia
    14. Romania
    15. Australia

    16. Finland
    17. Latvia
    18. Hungary
    19. UK
    20. Portugal

    21. Israel
    22. Switzerland
    23. Denmark
    24. Netherlands
    25. Germany
    26. Spain

    This is not my personal ranking which looks very different. I especially think that countries like Greece, Poland, Serbia, Romania and Ukraine will benefit enormously by their diaspora and end up high just because of that.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Let's focus on the positives :-). To be very honest, I think you're too much influenced by your emotions @BondJasonBond006. Please don't do it too much. It's also good fun. Reading your comment doesn't really make me want to give a response with my arguments.

    You read my article in here no? https://songfestivalwerk.wordpress.com/2016/05/27/gerts-blog-■-was-editie-2016-onnodig-controversieel/

    I gave some good advice on how to improve the jury system. But if I read your comments there's no rationalism, pragmatism or nuance. It's all shit stuff. And I refuse to believe that. Eurovision is not 'shit stuff'. Despite all its flaws, it still is a wonderful event that brings people together. If you loose 1st place and become 2nd, if you loose Top 10 by becoming 11th, or if you fail to qualify to the final, then it's Always good to know there's another sunny day ahead :-).
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    You use words like "shit stuff". Read my posts. Nowhere do I say a thing like this.

    No. Nor did I say that :-). I said "But if I read your comments there's no rationalism, pragmatism or nuance. It's all shit stuff.". But I didn't say "I read your comments and you said shit stuff".

    I didn't say that you said it's shitt stuff. I only implied that once I read your posts it appears like Eurovision is shit stuff. That's quite a difference..

    And sorry @BondJasonBond006, I let my article read to you. If you read it closely, you know very damn well that I am critical towards the EBU. But in here I simply don't want to dwell on it. I write about it on my own blog. In here it's, at least for me, the topic about judging the songs....not all behind-the-scenes-drama.
  • GBFGBF
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    @Gustav_Graves

    I tried to read your blog but I think it is in Dutch, right? Well I am also sick of all the discussion about how poor Russia is and Yulija ist because of the Ukrainian decision. When they casted Yulija the responisble Russian channel was aware that she could probably be banned since she had traveled to Crimea several times which is against the Ukrainian law. One can of course criticise this law but since the Russians knew that law it was quite provocative to send a singer who actually broke the law.

    That's why I don't care much about that political conflict. I won't miss any of those countries if they were anned for some time.

    And @BondJasonBond006
    @Gustav_Graves and I have given you plenty of arguments why a Jury system makes sense but I guess you simply don't care about any of this arguments.

    Just keep in mind the contest now exists for more than 60 years and for the longest time there have only been juries and no one ever criticised the voting scheme. It was actually a commercial decision in 1998 to make the televoters participate.
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    I made a YouTube comparison of all 'Likes' vs. the total of 'Likes & Dislikes'. Despite certain heavy demographical factors that need to be taken into account when looking at YouTube 'Likes', it does give you an idea where countries are standing right now.

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    hey @GBF and @BondJasonBond006? Have you listened to the 3rd edition of the 'Jukebox Jury' radioshow? You can find it here. It's really lots of fun. Every week they are judging 5 to 6 songs and decide if it's a "HIT", "MAYBE" or "MISS":
    http://escinsight.com/2017/03/28/eurovision-insight-podcast-juke-box-jury-2017-3/
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    OMG, you ruined the atmosphere here :-P!

    I shall show you some other 'terrific' performances:










    Mind your ears


    :D
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    But @Thunderfinger? You know what aspect I love most about Eurovision. Voting thrillers! Scoreboards that make your jaws drop from saliva build-up! Voting procedures that destroy your nails! A few wonderful 'voting thrillers':

    Voting 1969 (How DARE we criticising today's voting system, if THIS actually happened :-P!):


    Voting 1979 (the nailbiter between Spain and Israel):


    Voting 1981 (another voting thriller, with Terry's commentary):

    (PS: That year it didn't matter that a dressing-up act won, and not a better song, since it was the UK off course...:-P)

    Voting 1988 (you'll like this one @BondJasonBond006 ;-)):


    Voting 1991 (The first time since 1969 that Eurovision was decided on an aex aequo):


    Voting 1998 (The voting thriller between Malta and Israel):


    Voting 2003 (Belgium was sooo close, but apparently screechy vocals won it):


    Voting 2014 (Just to show that between 2004 and 2015 the votings really weren't nailbiters anymore. BUT nice to see my country being awarded with so many 12's :-P):


    Voting 2016 (And FINALLY, the nailbiting excitement is BACK :-)!):





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    Anyone seen the above voting video's :-P? @GBF? @BondJasonBond006?
  • GBFGBF
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    @Gustav_Graves

    I know 'Jukebox Jury' and like it...
    Each year they overrate the German song :-) and then we end up last in the show :-)
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    GBF wrote: »
    @Gustav_Graves

    I know 'Jukebox Jury' and like it...
    Each year they overrate the German song :-) and then we end up last in the show :-)

    I.....thought you were from Australia! My mistake then hehe. I think....it's all a matter of realism. If you not only listen to studio versions, but detailedly check some available 'live' performances, then you can actually predict the outcome quite accurately.

    Just go back a few pages on this topic. You'll find my 2015 prediction. I was pretty close eh ;-)?


    Anyway, I have just been watching this particular 'live' performance. I'm not a fan of the song, but by jolly they slay it like Polina and Aminata in 2015:

  • GBFGBF
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    I had a look at it. Your guesses of the top were quite good. You only totally overrated the Austrian song and underrated the Italian song. I personally, however, also liked the Austrian song more than the Italian one back in 2015.


  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    GBF wrote: »
    I had a look at it. Your guesses of the top were quite good. You only totally overrated the Austrian song and underrated the Italian song. I personally, however, also liked the Austrian song more than the Italian one back in 2015.


    I thought Italy 2015.....was a pretty mediocre popera song. But then....I saw it and thought..."Hell, they can sing! They are the true vocalist winners of 2015".
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    I'm pretty certain that the very existence of the Eurovision Song Contest was a real shot in the arm to the Leave vote in the UK and may even have won the day in the end!
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    I'm pretty certain that the very existence of the Eurovision Song Contest was a real shot in the arm to the Leave vote in the UK and may even have won the day in the end!

    I think that's a sheer exaggeration ;-).

    Anyway, here's the running order for both semi finals:

    The running order of the First Semi-Final of the 2017 Eurovision Song Contest, Thursday May 9th:
    (TOP 10 winners move on to the Grand Final. Italy, Spain and the UK vote in this Semi-Final.):
    01. Sweden.gif SWEDEN
    02. Georgia.gif GEORGIA
    03. Australia.gif AUSTRALIA
    04. Albania.gif ALBANIA
    05. Belgium.gif BELGIUM

    ad break
    06. Montenegro.gif MONTENEGRO
    07. Finland.gif FINLAND
    08. Azerbaijan.gif AZERBAIJAN
    09. Portugal.gif PORTUGAL
    10. Greece.gif GREECE
    11. Poland.gif POLAND
    12. Moldova.gif MOLDOVA
    13. Iceland.gif ICELAND
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    14. Czech%20Republic.gif CZECH REPUBLIC
    15. Cyprus.gif CYPRUS
    16. Armenia.gif ARMENIA
    17. Slovenia.gif SLOVENIA
    18. Latvia.gif LATVIA


    The running order of the Second Semi-Final of the 2017 Eurovision Song Contest, Thursday May 11th:
    (TOP 10 winners move on to the Grand Final. France, Germany and Ukraine vote in this Semi-Final)
    01. Serbia.gif SERBIA
    02. Austria.gif AUSTRIA
    (03. Russia.gif RUSSIA: participation still in doubt)
    04. Macedonia.gif F.Y.R.O. MACEDONIA
    05. Malta.gif MALTA
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    06. Romania.gif ROMANIA
    07. The%20Netherlands.gif THE NETHERLANDS
    08. Hungary.gif HUNGARY
    09. Denmark.gif DENMARK
    10. Ireland.gif IRELAND
    11. San%20Marino.gif SAN MARINO
    12. Croatia.gif CROATIA
    13. Norway.gif NORWAY
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    14. Switzerland.gif SWITZERLAND
    15. Belarus.gif BELARUS
    16. Bulgaria.gif BULGARIA
    17. Lithuania.gif LITHUANIA
    18. Estonia.gif ESTONIA
    19. Israel.gif ISRAEL


    Running order of last year's winner Ukraine in the Grand Final, Saturday May 13th:
    22. Ukraine.gif UKRAINE


    Running order of the BIG 5 (biggest financial contributors) in the Grand final, Saturday May 13th:
    00. France.gif FRANCE (to be decided on Friday night, May 12th)
    00. Germany.gif GERMANY (to be decided on Friday night, May 12th)
    00. Italy.gif ITALY (to be decided on Friday night, May 12th)
    00. Spain.gif SPAIN (to be decided on Friday night, May 12th)
    00. United%20Kingdom.gif UNITED KINGDOM (to be decided on Friday night, May 12th)

  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Thanks @BondJasonBond006 for your kind words ;-).

    I re-assessed my predictions a bit....


    Semi-Final #1:
    01. SWEDEN
    (I think for the first time in many years a song will win from spot #1)
    02. ARMENIA
    (Best of the 'arty' songs in this semi. No, not Belgium. Artsvik screams 'stage potential')
    03. FINLAND
    (Simply too wonderful and unique. Enya meets Adele. Reminds me of Estonia 2009)
    04. AZERBAIJAN
    (Very contemporary pop song. There they go again)
    05. ICELAND
    (By jolly so much underestimations here....)
    06. MOLDOVA
    (Fun, fun, FUN!)
    07. BELGIUM
    (I just hope Blanche is very much her own stage director like Loic Nottet was)
    08. GREECE
    (Germany 2013 meets a...much better singer, and that bald stage director)
    09. LATVIA
    (Harley Quinn from "Suicide Squad")
    10. AUSTRALIA or PORTUGAL
    (Ughhh, this is so difficult...But Portugal pleaseee get rid of your fake motorical spasms/ticks!)


    Semi-Final #2 (Goodbye Russia):
    01. ESTONIA
    (This will now be a much easier win)
    02. ROMANIA
    (Hate it, but it's 'fun'. And that counts for the average televoter)
    03. THE NETHERLANDS
    (Since when do best songs win? Vocal powerhouse, like Albania 2012 or Italy 2015. Will create goosebumps)
    04. ISRAEL
    (Hate it, but now I have no doubts anymore)
    05. DENMARK
    (Not a fan of it. The Dami-Im comparisons are off the scale, but not realistic looking at Danish staging)
    06. HUNGARY
    (Ethnic uniqueness)
    07. F.Y.R.O. MACEDONIA
    (First comfortable win for FYROM after quite some time)
    08. BULGARIA
    (Can't see this winning, needs a lot of jury favors)
    09. SERBIA
    (Nice enough. Everything said)
    10. NORWAY, BELARUS or AUSTRIA
    (I tend to favor Norway. Dear Trent, Look what the running order did to Douwe Bob in last year's final televoting-wise)
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