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    Goldfinger

    All right, as most of you are aware, I have not exactly been known to be the most passionate GF fan. My disgust for both it and OHMSS have been the source of much controversy in my Bond opinions around these parts. However, as of today, there has been a drastic change. That's right- let it be known that, today, 00Beast is, indeed, a Goldfinger fan.

    Sometimes you just have to take a breather, step away from the franchise, let your opinions cool off, and take some time to re-evaluate. To be perfectly frank, I have ZERO ideas as to why I ever disliked Goldfinger. Other than the characters (which I will discuss here in a minute), what's not to like? The plot is absolutely inspired (as Bond says to Goldfinger while drinking the mint julep), the action scenes are fitting to the movie without being too bombastic, Connery is in top notch form in basically every scene, and I even found myself enjoying several cues from the score, believe it or not! It's a very brassy and occasionally swingin' score; I should have been enjoying it long ago. Perhaps some of the softer tracks threw me off previously. No matter!

    The problems that, unfortunately, still persist with GF to me include the location work, some of the characters, and the rushed ending. The locations are fairly drab and unappealing, even the Swiss ones, which, I assume, are supposed to be the "cream of the crop." As for the characters, Miss Galore still gets on my last nerve, and Goldfinger himself can be rather irksome at times, particularly when he's upset with 007 or trying to "show off." Perhaps it's that terribly overdubbed voice actor that doesn't seem to do the character too much justice! Most everyone else is fine, with obvious top marks going to Sean as our man and Oddjob, a class act in villainy all his own! Now, this ending- the Fort Knox stuff is splendid, but as far as the Air Force One sequence is concerned, how tacked on can one finale be? There's no room to breathe after the bomb is defused before Goldfinger sabotages Air Force One. I wish that one of two things had happened. Either (A), some transition scenes had been placed between Fort Knox and Air Force One as a sort of cool down to prepare for the final attack, or (B), the movie had simply ended with something like Miss Galore being the surprise pilot onboard for her help in thwarting Operation Grand Slam, resulting in her and Bond going to the White House together to be thanked by The President (not actually shown, but implied as the credits roll). Yes, this would mean that Goldfinger would escape, but hey, doesn't that leave a little room for fan fiction? Hahaha- one can dream. I will say this though- I have come to appreciate Goldfinger's final attack on Air Force One a little more for this reason: it shows how far he is willing to go just to cover his own back. Most villains would have been ecstatic to have escaped the clutches of 007, but not the Man with the Midas Touch! Perhaps I've gained a new appreciation for one of Bond's most iconic enemies. Certainly that can be said for the movie as a whole.

    2014/2015 Winter/Spring Bondathon

    1. From Russia with Love
    2. Tomorrow Never Dies
    3. Goldfinger
    4. For Your Eyes Only
    5. Diamonds Are Forever
    6. The Man with the Golden Gun
    7. Thunderball
    8. Live and Let Die
    9. The Living Daylights
    10. The Spy Who Loved Me
    11. You Only Live Twice
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Nice to see people come around to the glory of Goldfinger. Some have an irrational dislike for it, only due to its status as the quintessential Bond film. One may agree or disagree with that. My own opinion is that everyone should have this in theit top ten at least.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Dr No, still a great film.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Another top ten must.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited April 2015 Posts: 8,400
    I would place Dr No above GF because it is a much more straight laced spy thriller. I have a few issues with GF personnaly, one being there are several scenes which are completely redundant to show the audience. Like gassing the mafia after explaining you're plan or the tortuous sequence when Mr Solo is driven to the skip. There is no reason why we should have to witness the whole thing as if the character actually matters. A few creative edits would convey the same information in half the time. For me, that 5 min sequence disrupts the pace of the film and it never really recovers.

    Pacing is the other issue I have. The first hour of this movie has flawless pacing. It elegantly glides along in a carefree sort of manner. Then bond wakes up on the plane and the film slows considerably. I think part of the problem is that Goldfinger's plan is already fully realised and Bond is captured, so the film really has nothing else to do until Fort Knox. For the next twenty minutes regardless of what is happening onscreen a few things must remain true. Goldfinger's plan is ready, and Bond is helpless. We know from instinct that nothing about this can change until the climax, so all we can do is wait.

    I like the showdown at Fort Knox but, like has been commented, the end does feel rushed. The reveal of GF on the plane and being foiled by gesturing with his gun is kind of lousy. It feels more like something to quickly rap up the story as apposed to a worthy demise for such a wonderful character.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    With me it might be the case that I've never lost my childhood amazement at
    First seeing GF. As a kid, it blew me away one Christmas. ;)
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    What I mean is, the first hour is a brilliantly paced game of oneupmanship between GF and Bond. The card game, golf, tailng in Geneva, all really fun. We learn that Goldfinger has a big plan, another game for Bond to win at. Naturally this is held back for the climax. Bond needs to be triumphant, so it makes sense that he is captured early on, giving GF the upper hand.
    The problem is that everything that happens in that half hour space before the climax is deliberately pointless because all the pieces are already in place. Bond escapes his cell and is recaptured. Mr Solo (with Bond's note) is killed. The gangsters are told about the operation and swiftly gassed. There is no actual plot progression. Everything is static, waiting to start up again with Fort Knox. That's why the scenes in Kentucky bother me, nothing actually happens.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    What I mean is, the first hour is a brilliantly paced game of oneupmanship between GF and Bond. The card game, golf, tailng in Geneva, all really fun. We learn that Goldfinger has a big plan, another game for Bond to beat him at. Naturally this is held back for the climax. Bond needs to be triumphant, so it makes sense that he is captured early on, giving GF the upper hand.
    The problem is that everything that happens in that half hour space before the climax is deliberately pointless because all the pieces are already in place. Bond escapes his cell and is recaptured. Mr Solo (with Bond's note) is killed. The gangsters are told about the operation and swiftly gassed. There is no actual plot progression. Everything is static, waiting to start up again with Fort Knox. That's why the scenes in Kentucky bother me, nothing actually happens.

  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,400
    What I mean is, the first hour is a brilliantly paced game of oneupmanship between GF and Bond. The card game, golf, tailng in Geneva, all really fun. We learn that Goldfinger has a big plan, another game for Bond to beat him at. Naturally this is held back for the climax. Bond needs to be triumphant so it makes sense that he is captured early on, giving GF the upper hand.
    The problem is that everything that happens in that half hour space before the climax is deliberately pointless because all the pieces are already in place. Bond escapes his cell and is recaptured. Mr Solo (with Bond's note) is killed. The gangsters are told about the operation and swiftly gassed. There is no actual plot progression. Everything is static, waiting to start up again with Fort Knox. That's why the scenes in Kentucky bother me, nothing actually happens.

  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Phew
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Phew

    Unlike your posts.
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    I would place Dr No above GF because it is a much more straight laced spy thriller. I have a few issues with GF personnaly, one being there are several scenes which are completely redundant to show the audience. Like gassing the mafia after explaining you're plan or the tortuous sequence when Mr Solo is driven to the skip. There is no reason why we should have to witness the whole thing as if the character actually matters. A few creative edits would convey the same information in half the time. For me, that 5 min sequence disrupts the pace of the film and it never really recovers.

    Pacing is the other issue I have. The first hour of this movie has flawless pacing. It elegantly glides along in a carefree sort of manner. Then bond wakes up on the plane and the film slows considerably. I think part of the problem is that Goldfinger's plan is already fully realised and Bond is captured, so the film really has nothing else to do until Fort Knox. For the next twenty minutes regardless of what is happening onscreen a few things must remain true. Goldfinger's plan is ready, and Bond is helpless. We know from instinct that nothing about this can change until the climax, so all we can do is wait.

    I like the showdown at Fort Knox but, like has been commented, the end does feel rushed. The reveal of GF on the plane and being foiled by gesturing with his gun is kind of lousy. It feels more like something to quickly rap up the story as apposed to a worthy demise for such a wonderful character.

    I agree wholeheartedly about the pacing issues in the second half; in all honesty, that's what used to kill the movie for me back in the day. You're spot on about there being really no plot progression- however, there is the pivotal "Mint Julep Scene", which brings Goldfinger's plot to full realization, whereas before it was just known to Bond in the generic "Operation Grand Slam." Still though, I agree with you that the second half comes to a dull drag after such a swiftly moving first 50 minutes or so. What saves the second half for me is Bond trying to outwit that cell guard and the Mint Julep scene- those are classic 007!

    By the way, does anyone else feel like the scene where Goldfinger briefs his gangster clientele is terribly corny? I mean honestly, "You owe me ONE MILLION BUCKS!!!"
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    The corniest part is the gangster riding the mechanical rodeo horse.
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    The corniest part is the gangster riding the mechanical rodeo horse.

    It's funny, I actually think that part is legitimately humorous and not too cheesy, frankly. Not quite sure why!
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    I think that the quote at 2:16 is really funny.

  • edited April 2015 Posts: 1,596
    The corniest part is the gangster riding the mechanical rodeo horse.

    I love that bit. "Hey what's with that trick pool table!?" "Hey I don't like this!"

    Hilarious.

  • edited April 2015 Posts: 533
    The Honey Ryder homage in DAD was very stupid

    That was nothing in compare to how the Honey Ryder character was utilized in "DR. NO". Talk about useless. What was the point of her role in the story anyway, other than looking good and being the damsel in distress?

    "OCTOPUSSY" is my seventh favorite Bond movie. Despite the minor silliness, it featured a first-class story. As for "NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN", I can only shake my head in dismay and resume watching the original version, "THUNDERBALL".
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    GOLDENEYE

    Rosebutt... :(

    Rosebutt... :-S
    The corniest part is the gangster riding the mechanical rodeo horse.

    I love that bit. "Hey what's with that trick pool table!?" "Hey I don't like this!"

    Hilarious.

    That whole scene is hilarious. Reminds me of the gangsters in Looney Tunes:

    "Goldfinger, I made a delivery. Where is my money?"
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
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    I never knew how boring and (quite honestly terrible) Thunderball was on a second viewing. Calvin Dyson gets it right:

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    So far this year i have watched only my top 3
    CR
    OHMSS
    FRWL

    Damn! They were all pretty darn good this time aswell =)
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    Casino Royale what a promise did Craig deliver with this movie, and I am admittedly no fan of the poorly devised sinking house part of the movie as I am of the opinion that with two great actors in the roles of Bond & Vesper we could have a heartbreaking ending [Lazenby unskilled actor does do his ending flipping heartbreaking & 100% Fleming]. The movie shows an new look and smell of a 007.
    I do hope that SP will make us forget the next two installments.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    SaintMark wrote: »
    Casino Royale what a promise did Craig deliver with this movie, and I am admittedly no fan of the poorly devised sinking house part of the movie as I am of the opinion that with two great actors in the roles of Bond & Vesper we could have a heartbreaking ending [Lazenby unskilled actor does do his ending flipping heartbreaking & 100% Fleming]. The movie shows an new look and smell of a 007.
    I do hope that SP will make us forget the next two installments.

    Every time I hear someone voice this opinion It makes me so happy. I too think the ending of CR was mostly botched and let down the rest of the film to some degree and I have a hard time seeing my more people don't feel this way. It's frustrating when drama and character take the back seat to allow for another unnecessary, zip-bang action set piece, but because the first two thirds are so good I rarely see this receive the criticism is deserves from fans.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    I am going to do a LALD-TMWTGG double bill tonight. As some of you know, I was disappointed in TMWTGG in my last rewatch. Let's see if it climbs back up in my ranking where it belongs! :-bd
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    I hope it does! It does not seem right for you not to have Golden Gun, at the top of your rankings!.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    I just finished TMWTGG. You cannot imagine the huge grin I have on my face: I thoroughly enjoyed it! It is now back where it was before, at #1. The film went by like a bullet, I couldn't believe it had been 2 hours when I reached the last scene. This was a great double bill, as LALD keeps getting better and better. It used to be my least favorite Moore outing, but now I absolutely love it. Sir Rog is an utter legend, and looks glorious in his first 2 installements. I don't know what happen last time, probably I was not in the mood, as I can't for the life of me find something I disliked in Golden Gun in this rewatch.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I just finished TMWTGG. You cannot imagine the huge grin I have on my face: I thoroughly enjoyed it! It is now back where it was before, at #1.
    All is right with this site once more.
    ;)
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    I think its too dismissive too JUST say that Skyfalls score is bland, you have to at least explain.

    I do apologise, I did for a moment think that we were just having a little fun with these rankings things. But, oh well, if you feel I need to explain my opinion...

    IMO, there is not a memorable track or cue in the entire oeuvre of the Skyfall soundtrack, something that could have been avoided if Newman wasn't so liberal with incorporating Adele's theme song. Skyfall's soundtrack comes dead last in my soundtrack ranking overall, for the simple fact that each track is very samey, very familiar : it does nothing different, something I can't fault other Bond soundtracks for (perhaps apart from a few Arnold soundtracks). At least Dr. No's rather blaring soundtrack and Goldeneye's often derided soundtrack have something of a personality.
    I also think that Newman's scoring of the action sequences is also bland and fails to produce any kind of tension, his inexperience scoring such scenes showing (I believe that Newman is not well aquainted with high energy action scenes), which questions his suitability for a Bond film in the first place.

    'Bland', 'generic' and 'uninspired' are perhaps the three best words to describe the soundtrack.
    I can only hope that Newman brings his A game when scoring SPECTRE (the music during the teaser trailer sounds promising).

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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Great to hear your recent viewing of TMWTGG went well @DaltonCraig007.

    I was sure that your unfortunate experience a few weeks back was just a strange anomaly that would correct itself with the next viewing, and sure enough that's what happened .

    TMWTGG & LALD are both great fun imho. Moore at his best.
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    Glad the Bond world rectified itself for you, @DaltonCraig007! I couldn't imagine the disappointment I'd have if GoldenEye ever fell from my top spot even for a brief period of time!

    As for my most recent Bond viewing, be prepared for the shock of a lifetime.....

    On Her Majesty's Secret Service

    I don't know what's happening to me. First Goldfinger, now this.....

    For what is probably the first time in, well, ever, I actually sort of enjoyed OHMSS. :-S

    I feel like the world has, quite literally, turned upside down. My infamous, consistently least favorite Bond movie has managed the impossible. It's too much for words to accurately describe.

    I'm not so much as disappointed in its improvement as I am concerned that my entire Bond opinion is loosening itself and heading straight for complete, utter disassembly. All I can say is stay tuned for my further viewings and reviews, because, at this rate, surprises are probably inescapable!

    So, yeah- OHMSS wasn't that bad. I actually enjoyed following the plot, and in a total "blind side" move, the pacing didn't concern me. Perhaps that was because I watched it over at least three days (due to college obligations), but nonetheless, I found the movie divided into three distinct parts with very good flow in between each one. The first begins at the PTS and ends with Bond's meeting with Hilary Bray. This sequence of events is slightly marred by all the lame love stuff with Tracy (still don't enjoy that!), but I highly enjoy the plot progression involving Draco giving Bond vital information about Blofeld and SPECTRE. The second begins with Bond's train arrival in Switzerland and ends with his late night ski escape from Piz Gloria. This is possibly the most satisfying portion of the movie for me, which I don't understand whatsoever, because it contains the least amount of action. Those scenes at Piz Gloria are just so elegantly handled that it's easy to overlook the lack of action and embrace the "calmed down" feel. The third begins with the ski escape and ends with the credits, and although it contains the greatest action, there's a huge roadblock with that foolish barn scene. Yuck! Still not a fan of Bond and Tracy's romance. I suppose some things never change (thankfully). That aside, how epic is the ski chase, the derby car chase, and the final attack on Piz Gloria? Pretty sweet stuff!

    My main "beef" with OHMSS is sort of a two-part grievance. The first half lies in the soundtrack, which, I know is considered one of Barry's best, but frankly, except for the main theme and all its renditions used throughout the movie, I'm not too keen on this one. Some tracks simply make me cringe and quickly reach for the remote in an effort to hit the mute button before I lose my mind. The second half of my "beef" is with Tracy. Granted, in the second half, she is much more tolerable, but good grief, in that first half, she's unbearable!

    The biggest surprise came with my slightly changed opinion on ol' George Lazenby. It pains me to admit it, but he wasn't too shabby. Other than a few poorly written lines of dialogue and some terrible dubbing for the "Sir Hilary Voice", Lazenby himself really did a fine job. Scenes like the fight with Draco's thug in the hotel room, the confrontation at the Christmas Tree with Blofeld, and even the sappy barn scene stood out to me as solid representations of Lazenby's 00-potential. He's still my least favorite Bond actor by default, but hey, he's getting somewhere!

    I surprised myself a great deal today as I wrapped up OHMSS. I wouldn't be so bold as to claim it'll stay in this raised position, but I wouldn't be so foolish as to say that it'll ever hit rock bottom again either!

    2014/2015 Winter/Spring Bondathon

    1. From Russia with Love
    2. Tomorrow Never Dies
    3. Goldfinger
    4. For Your Eyes Only
    5. Diamonds Are Forever
    6. The Man with the Golden Gun
    7. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    8. Thunderball
    9. The Living Daylights
    10. Live and Let Die
    11. The Spy Who Loved Me
    12. You Only Live Twice
  • Posts: 7,507
    00Beast wrote: »
    As for my most recent Bond viewing, be prepared for the shock of a lifetime.....

    On Her Majesty's Secret Service

    I don't know what's happening to me. First Goldfinger, now this.....

    For what is probably the first time in, well, ever, I actually sort of enjoyed OHMSS. :-S

    I feel like the world has, quite literally, turned upside down. My infamous, consistently least favorite Bond movie has managed the impossible. It's too much for words to accurately describe.

    You are starting to grow up, young lad, that's what's happening! ;)

    No, seriously though... I struggled to like OHMSS in my teens as well. Now it's one of my favourites. These things can change over time. And that is what makes the world of Bond so rich and appealing!
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