SKYFALL: Is this the best Bond film?

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  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Okay, I misread that as DAD.

    Me wanting to end Connery’s era on a high note: DAF.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Okay, I misread that as DAD.

    Me wanting to end Connery’s era on a high note: DAF.

    lol
    Me wanting to end Craig's era on a high note: Spectre
  • edited September 2021 Posts: 4,409
    Okay, I've been watching a Craig-era film every other Thursday leading up to NTTD's release on 30 September. Next up was Skyfall: Mummy's Boys The Movie! Again, I hadn't seen SF since October 2013. So I was very hyped to see it.

    I was a bit disappointed after QOS, so imagine how happy I was that SF restored my faith. It's really rather terrific.....

    54d51cce1b2223e236f05f98e3747a2c.gif

    This film undeniably qualifies as a 'modern classic.' It feels both like an update on the old formula but also distinctly modern. This is a movie so effortlessly and thoughtfully directed by Sam Mendes. Furthermore, it isn't afraid to delve into the Bond mythology and actually be subversive. In many respects, it isn't really a Bond movie, it feels more like a bespoke thoughtful blockbuster - akin to the work of Denis Villenueve or Christopher Nolan. If you like action, you'll probably not like this more talky film. In this respect, SF is more rich in terms of character detail and story than action or special effects. Mendes is helped by a never better script - it's probably the best written Bond film.

    However, whilst SF breaks the Bond formula it still remains true to its essential beats. Without sacrificing action or overall energy, Mendes puts the actors at the forefront, exploring their complex emotional states in ways the franchise has never before dared. Daniel Craig now absolutely owns Bond. This is a new Bond, ageing, vulnerable and off his game and Craig gets some new notes to play for the character, and does as reliably and excellently as he did in the two previous entries. There are some hints even of Richard Burton's Alec Leamas to the broken Bond reintroduced here. There's a dogged and ugly quality to him. 007 now fits Daniel Craig like a glove.

    XCB6TJE.jpg

    But make no mistake this is film really belongs to Judi Dench. She has a real character to play this time out, as M now faces the prospect that her own methods may be extinct. There is some very enjoyable Whitehall intrigue as M's competency is questioned. M is a resilient tough matriarch, who makes some pretty horrendous judgement calls - which rightly come back to haunt her. I think it's fascinating that some of the tougher decisions she has to make as the head of MI6 portray her as heartless. Judi Dench, as usual, makes the most of the opportunity, investing her authority role with great dignity undercut with a touch of insecurity and remorse. M will never say it aloud, but Mendes lingers on Dench's face long enough for us to see that she never truly believes her own bluster and that beneath there are pangs of regret lurking. She also has great understated chemistry with Craig.

    Which brings us to Javier Bardem's Silva, who is actually half persuasive and half lunatic. It's a fabulously flamboyant role and exactly what the movie needs. He's charismatic and vile. His first scene with Bond is a great flirtation, one-upmanship sequence for the ages. Beyond the more grotesque 'Bond villain' accoutrements, he too gets a real character to play. Someone wounded by M and now intent to embarrass and destroy her and MI6. M someone with a lot of emotional power over her agents. I enjoyed that M can hardly remember Silva, which got me thinking about all the slights we commit to others without knowing. Basically, be careful who you piss off....

    What I really like is that this is a film about a Bond who is both physically and psychologically wounded. I never really appreciated the finale at Skyfall till rewatching it yesterday (not least because Albert Finney's appearance is like getting a nice warm hug). It's an unusual, but certainly not unwelcome plot development. I had to pause it to take a beat to think of the resonance of Bond returning to that house - the root of his childhood trauma. The film doesn't hit you over the head with the meaning of it. But the significance has a residual impact. It gives the film an added layer of depth. Especially in his dialogue scenes with M - where the pair never really tell the other how they feel. They are both very British in that respect. If Citizen Kane had his Rosebud, then Bond has his Skyfall....

    u6EilCf.jpg

    I kinda have to search for things I didn't really like about the film...I suppose I thought it was a bit of a shame that the whole 'broken 007' angle was seemingly dropped by the time Bond is in action, with almost all his issues disappearing (though I think you could mount an argument that Bond is off game throughout the entire film). The London chase is a bit pants (though, again, I was much more invested in the characters and dialogue than the chases). The kimono dragon scene is a dud and feels like a deleted scene from a bad Roger Moore-era film. Oh...I also think Craig's hair is too short. That's kinda it.

    In the technical categories, Roger Deakins renders the imagery so freshly that you’d think you were seeing a Bond film for the first time. There are some images in this film which really made me catch my breath. He also shoots London in a very real and sincere way. Thomas Newman's score is also excellent - I don't care what the naysayers think - he's better than David Arnold (mainly as he's doing something new and not aping John Barry's style).

    All in all, I really loved this film. Sam Mendes can take a bow. In fact, I'm somewhat tempted to watch it all over again immediately. SF is a 'modern classic.' Bravo, Mr Mendes ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐/5

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    One thing that's always annoyed me about SF is the Deakins fanboys insisting that it's the best looking Bond film EVER! I'm sorry but that's just not right is it. It's a dull, shitty brown colour palette that has no colour or vibrancy to it at all. Freddie Francis' YOLT or Michael Reeds OHMSS are far better looking Bond films.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Are you confusing this for SPECTRE? Because that’s the one with he brown palette.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    I can definitely see why people don't like that about Spectre, and if it were every scene I'd agree, but I don't mind how they use it for the hot/cold motif. The warm scenes happen to be most of my favourite scenes as well (Mexico, L'Americain, Blofeld's Base)
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    No there's plenty of brown colour palette in Skyfall as well as Spectre. I just both colourless and lifeless compered with earlier Bond entries, so to call SF the best looking Bond film ever is just blatantly untrue. Watching Octopussy recently I was particularly struck by how vibrant the film looked.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    cooperman2 wrote: »
    No there's plenty of brown colour palette in Skyfall as well as Spectre. I just both colourless and lifeless compered with earlier Bond entries, so to call SF the best looking Bond film ever is just blatantly untrue. Watching Octopussy recently I was particularly struck by how vibrant the film looked.

  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    It's full of life to my eyes:
    skyfall226.jpg
    skyfall238b.jpg
    skyfall261.jpg
    skyfall311.jpg
    skyfall603.jpg
    skyfall621.jpg

    And these are just the ones that I had bookmarked. There's plenty of examples.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Okay, I've been watching a Craig-era film every other Thursday leading up to NTTD's release on 30 September. Next up was Skyfall: Mummy's Boys The Movie! Again, I hadn't seen SF since October 2013. So I was very hyped to see it.

    I was a bit disappointed after QOS, so imagine how happy I was that SF restored my faith. It's really rather terrific.....

    54d51cce1b2223e236f05f98e3747a2c.gif

    This film undeniably qualifies as a 'modern classic.' It feels both like an update on the old formula but also distinctly modern. This is a movie so effortlessly and thoughtfully directed by Sam Mendes. Furthermore, it isn't afraid to delve into the Bond mythology and actually be subversive. In many respects, it isn't really a Bond movie, it feels more like a bespoke thoughtful blockbuster - akin to the work of Denis Villenueve or Christopher Nolan. If you like action, you'll probably not like this more talky film. In this respect, SF is more rich in terms of character detail and story than action or special effects. Mendes is helped by a never better script - it's probably the best written Bond film.

    However, whilst SF breaks the Bond formula it still remains true to its essential beats. Without sacrificing action or overall energy, Mendes puts the actors at the forefront, exploring their complex emotional states in ways the franchise has never before dared. Daniel Craig now absolutely owns Bond. This is a new Bond, ageing, vulnerable and off his game and Craig gets some new notes to play for the character, and does as reliably and excellently as he did in the two previous entries. There are some hints even of Richard Burton's Alec Leamas to the broken Bond reintroduced here. There's a dogged and ugly quality to him. 007 now fits Daniel Craig like a glove.

    XCB6TJE.jpg

    But make no mistake this is film really belongs to Judi Dench. She has a real character to play this time out, as M now faces the prospect that her own methods may be extinct. There is some very enjoyable Whitehall intrigue as M's competency is questioned. M is a resilient tough matriarch, who makes some pretty horrendous judgement calls - which rightly come back to haunt her. I think it's fascinating that some of the tougher decisions she has to make as the head of MI6 portray her as heartless. Judi Dench, as usual, makes the most of the opportunity, investing her authority role with great dignity undercut with a touch of insecurity and remorse. M will never say it aloud, but Mendes lingers on Dench's face long enough for us to see that she never truly believes her own bluster and that beneath there are pangs of regret lurking. She also has great understated chemistry with Craig.

    Which brings us to Javier Bardem's Silva, who is actually half persuasive and half lunatic. It's a fabulously flamboyant role and exactly what the movie needs. He's charismatic and vile. His first scene with Bond is a great flirtation, one-upmanship sequence for the ages. Beyond the more grotesque 'Bond villain' accoutrements, he too gets a real character to play. Someone wounded by M and now intent to embarrass and destroy her and MI6. M someone with a lot of emotional power over her agents. I enjoyed that M can hardly remember Silva, which got me thinking about all the slights we commit to others without knowing. Basically, be careful who you piss off....

    What I really like is that this is a film about a Bond who is both physically and psychologically wounded. I never really appreciated the finale at Skyfall till rewatching it yesterday (not least because Albert Finney's appearance is like getting a nice warm hug). I had to pause it to take a beat to think of the resonance of Bond returning to that house - the root of his childhood trauma. The film doesn't hit you over the head with the meaning of it. But the significance has a residual impact. It gives the film an added layer of depth. Especially in his dialogue scenes with M - where the pair never really tell the other how they feel. They are both very British in that respect. If Citizen Kane had his Rosebud, then Bond has his Skyfall....

    u6EilCf.jpg

    I kinda have to search for things I didn't really like about the film...I suppose I thought it was a bit of a shame that the whole 'broken 007' angle was seemingly dropped by the time Bond is in action, with almost all his issues disappearing (though I think you could mount an argument that Bond is off game throughout the entire film). The London chase is a bit pants (though, again, I was much more invested in the characters and dialogue than the chases). The kimono dragon scene is a dud and feels like a deleted scene from a bad Roger Moore-era film. Oh...I also think Craig's hair is too short. That's kinda it.

    In the technical categories, Roger Deakins renders the imagery so freshly that you’d think you were seeing a Bond film for the first time. There are some images in this film which really made me catch my breath. He also shoots London in a very real and sincere way. Thomas Newman's score is also excellent - I don't care what the naysayers think - he's better than David Arnold (mainly as he's doing something new and not aping John Barry's style).

    All in all, I really loved this film. Sam Mendes can take a bow. In fact, I'm somewhat tempted to watch it all over again immediately. SF is a 'modern classic.' Bravo, Mr Mendes ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐/5

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    Excellent review, thanks Pierce2Daniel.

    cooperman2 wrote: »
    No there's plenty of brown colour palette in Skyfall as well as Spectre. I just both colourless and lifeless compered with earlier Bond entries, so to call SF the best looking Bond film ever is just blatantly untrue. Watching Octopussy recently I was particularly struck by how vibrant the film looked.

    Oh no, it's beautiful: I'd say it may well be the best-looking Bond ever (although Ken Adam's sets pretty much do their own cinematography in the films he worked on so it's not easy to call). Just being vibrant doesn't always equal beauty: those moody shots of Skyfall lodge may not be colourful but they are full of power and mood and beauty.
  • Posts: 1,630
    That's the Highlands, and that's part of the point about Bond's upbringing and his feelings about the place.
  • Deakins does like amber/brownish hues to his lighting, but unlike Spectre it’s not slathered over every scene and location. He carefully balances contrasting colors to set the mood, as those wonderfully colorful screen caps show. That being said, I do prefer the more naturalistic cinematography of OHMSS, but Skyfall is undoubtedly stunning.
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    Must say I prefer Roberto Schaefers cinematography in QOS!
    There most certainly are stunning sections in SF, like the ones above, but its not consistent throughout, most of the interior shots are rather flat and colourless! Schaefers lensing is richer pallette all the way through!
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    That being said, I do prefer the more naturalistic cinematography of OHMSS, but Skyfall is undoubtedly stunning.

    But then OHMSS has stuff like the fairly poor day-for-night (or midday-for-dawn) filming of the PTS.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    It's full of life to my eyes:
    skyfall226.jpg
    skyfall238b.jpg
    skyfall261.jpg
    skyfall311.jpg
    skyfall603.jpg
    skyfall621.jpg

    And these are just the ones that I had bookmarked. There's plenty of examples.

    Not sure how one looks at these and comes away saying that OCTOPUSSY looks better. Horses for courses.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Must say I prefer Roberto Schaefers cinematography in QOS!
    There most certainly are stunning sections in SF, like the ones above, but its not consistent throughout, most of the interior shots are rather flat and colourless! Schaefers lensing is richer pallette all the way through!

    I do love Schaefer's work in QoS but I would note that the contrast between the vivid stuff and the more monotone look of certain sections is very intentional. It might not be the most exciting thing to look at out of context, but the bright hues of Shanghai are a great contrast to the more dour interiors of London's office/courtroom settings. I felt like there was always intent behind that. The excitement of the field versus the mundane daily routine of London life. It fits the story nicely, I think. And Deakins is a great storyteller in his own right; not just a creator of pretty images.

    Just my two cents on that.
  • edited September 2021 Posts: 532
    mtm wrote: »
    That being said, I do prefer the more naturalistic cinematography of OHMSS, but Skyfall is undoubtedly stunning.

    But then OHMSS has stuff like the fairly poor day-for-night (or midday-for-dawn) filming of the PTS.

    True, but that doesn’t bother me too much considering it’s largely due to a technical limitation of the time. And while it doesn’t look like night, I don’t think it looks *bad*.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Best and worst is so subjective. I find Skyfall to be absolutely one of the most re-watchable.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 2021 Posts: 16,382
    mtm wrote: »
    That being said, I do prefer the more naturalistic cinematography of OHMSS, but Skyfall is undoubtedly stunning.

    But then OHMSS has stuff like the fairly poor day-for-night (or midday-for-dawn) filming of the PTS.

    True, but that doesn’t bother me too much considering it’s largely due to a technical limitation of the time. And while it doesn’t look like night, I don’t think it looks *bad*.

    Well the only limitation was that they didn't get up early enough! :D It doesn't look *great* and that's what we're talking about. And the tyres screech on sand ;)

    To me, the point of Bond is that it's a load of old hokum but made incredibly stylishly and by people who are far too talented to be working on this stuff. John Barry, Sir Ken Adam, Sir Sean Connery, Sir Sam Mendes, Daniel Craig, Dame Judi Dench, Thomas Newman, Sir Roger Deakins etc. all far too ridiculously talented to be working on films about a secret agent, but the result is -just like with Ian Fleming's ridiculously good prose- you get something which is of far higher quality and style than it has any right to be. And that's why I probably even prefer Skyfall to Casino Royale - CR is probably the better-plotted film, but it doesn't have that pure luxury feel that Skyfall does: it's sumptuous like the leather interior of an Aston Martin or the lining of a Saville Row suit, and that's what Bond should be if you ask me.
    Look at those screengrabs above. Has there been a more stylish sequence in Bond in the last 50 or so years than the Jellyfish scene?
  • For its era OHMSS was made stylishly though, and remains so! Haha the issue wasn’t waking up early enough, but having enough light to expose the film + whatever other logistical concerns there might have been. Skyfall shows no rough edges, I’ll grant you that, but it has the benefit of a bigger budget and better tech. If you don’t cherry pick the rough parts of OHMSS, which pretty much all older films have if you look for them, it’s just as much of a stunner as Skyfall ;)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    For its era OHMSS was made stylishly though, and remains so! Haha the issue wasn’t waking up early enough, but having enough light to expose the film + whatever other logistical concerns there might have been.

    If they could shoot at night then they could shoot at dawn. They even have some dawn shots in the helicopter assault bit. They just didn't do it.
    Skyfall shows no rough edges, I’ll grant you that, but it has the benefit of a bigger budget and better tech. If you don’t cherry pick the rough parts of OHMSS, which pretty much all older films have if you look for them, it’s just as much of a stunner as Skyfall ;)

    It is, but it's also very scrappy in places- I would say more so than some of its predecessors even. The editing tricks, dialogue placed over peoples' mouths not moving, flipped shots, 'guns make me nervous' etc. it does kind of erode that sense of style and make it feel a bit thrown together in places. Less so than YOLT before it which does feel a bit ragged, but I'd say that even Thunderball feels a bit slicker.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    talos7 wrote: »
    Best and worst is so subjective. I find Skyfall to be absolutely one of the most re-watchable.

    It does have that quality to it, for sure. I've often come across it on ITV2 and watched big chunks of it despite having on recently viewed the Blu-Ray. You can pretty much jump on board at any point.
  • As an editor, Peter Hunt probably thought they could tweak a lot of stuff in the edit (look the crazy fixes he did with FRWL!), so maybe they intended that opening scene to be day time but then for whatever reason thought it would work better as dawn. Stuff like that is a bit inelegant, but I doubt it was due to laziness. Anyway, I don’t want to derail this thread about Skyfall, which by every definition is masterfully shot.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 2021 Posts: 16,382
    As an editor, Peter Hunt probably thought they could tweak a lot of stuff in the edit (look the crazy fixes he did with FRWL!), so maybe they intended that opening scene to be day time but then for whatever reason thought it would work better as dawn. Stuff like that is a bit inelegant, but I doubt it was due to laziness. Anyway, I don’t want to derail this thread about Skyfall, which by every definition is masterfully shot.

    Well Bond is in evening dress (and so is Tracy), so I think the intention is that he's on his way back after a night on the tiles. I suspect you're right though: he thought he could fix more in the edit than he really could (look at when they think they can get away with flipping the shot of the stock car driver upside down to make us think they filmed him when his car was on its roof - c'mon Pete and John, we're not stupid :D )
  • edited September 2021 Posts: 4,409
    Okay, I've been watching a Craig-era film every other Thursday leading up to NTTD's release on 30 September. Next up was Skyfall: Mummy's Boys The Movie! Again, I hadn't seen SF since October 2013. So I was very hyped to see it.

    I was a bit disappointed after QOS, so imagine how happy I was that SF restored my faith. It's really rather terrific.....

    54d51cce1b2223e236f05f98e3747a2c.gif

    This film undeniably qualifies as a 'modern classic.' It feels both like an update on the old formula but also distinctly modern. This is a movie so effortlessly and thoughtfully directed by Sam Mendes. Furthermore, it isn't afraid to delve into the Bond mythology and actually be subversive. In many respects, it isn't really a Bond movie, it feels more like a bespoke thoughtful blockbuster - akin to the work of Denis Villenueve or Christopher Nolan. If you like action, you'll probably not like this more talky film. In this respect, SF is more rich in terms of character detail and story than action or special effects. Mendes is helped by a never better script - it's probably the best written Bond film.

    However, whilst SF breaks the Bond formula it still remains true to its essential beats. Without sacrificing action or overall energy, Mendes puts the actors at the forefront, exploring their complex emotional states in ways the franchise has never before dared. Daniel Craig now absolutely owns Bond. This is a new Bond, ageing, vulnerable and off his game and Craig gets some new notes to play for the character, and does as reliably and excellently as he did in the two previous entries. There are some hints even of Richard Burton's Alec Leamas to the broken Bond reintroduced here. There's a dogged and ugly quality to him. 007 now fits Daniel Craig like a glove.

    XCB6TJE.jpg

    But make no mistake this is film really belongs to Judi Dench. She has a real character to play this time out, as M now faces the prospect that her own methods may be extinct. There is some very enjoyable Whitehall intrigue as M's competency is questioned. M is a resilient tough matriarch, who makes some pretty horrendous judgement calls - which rightly come back to haunt her. I think it's fascinating that some of the tougher decisions she has to make as the head of MI6 portray her as heartless. Judi Dench, as usual, makes the most of the opportunity, investing her authority role with great dignity undercut with a touch of insecurity and remorse. M will never say it aloud, but Mendes lingers on Dench's face long enough for us to see that she never truly believes her own bluster and that beneath there are pangs of regret lurking. She also has great understated chemistry with Craig.

    Which brings us to Javier Bardem's Silva, who is actually half persuasive and half lunatic. It's a fabulously flamboyant role and exactly what the movie needs. He's charismatic and vile. His first scene with Bond is a great flirtation, one-upmanship sequence for the ages. Beyond the more grotesque 'Bond villain' accoutrements, he too gets a real character to play. Someone wounded by M and now intent to embarrass and destroy her and MI6. M someone with a lot of emotional power over her agents. I enjoyed that M can hardly remember Silva, which got me thinking about all the slights we commit to others without knowing. Basically, be careful who you piss off....

    What I really like is that this is a film about a Bond who is both physically and psychologically wounded. I never really appreciated the finale at Skyfall till rewatching it yesterday (not least because Albert Finney's appearance is like getting a nice warm hug). It's an unusual, but certainly not unwelcome plot development. I had to pause it to take a beat to think of the resonance of Bond returning to that house - the root of his childhood trauma. The film doesn't hit you over the head with the meaning of it. But the significance has a residual impact. It gives the film an added layer of depth. Especially in his dialogue scenes with M - where the pair never really tell the other how they feel. They are both very British in that respect. If Citizen Kane had his Rosebud, then Bond has his Skyfall....

    u6EilCf.jpg

    I kinda have to search for things I didn't really like about the film...I suppose I thought it was a bit of a shame that the whole 'broken 007' angle was seemingly dropped by the time Bond is in action, with almost all his issues disappearing (though I think you could mount an argument that Bond is off game throughout the entire film). The London chase is a bit pants (though, again, I was much more invested in the characters and dialogue than the chases). The kimono dragon scene is a dud and feels like a deleted scene from a bad Roger Moore-era film. Oh...I also think Craig's hair is too short. That's kinda it.

    In the technical categories, Roger Deakins renders the imagery so freshly that you’d think you were seeing a Bond film for the first time. There are some images in this film which really made me catch my breath. He also shoots London in a very real and sincere way. Thomas Newman's score is also excellent - I don't care what the naysayers think - he's better than David Arnold (mainly as he's doing something new and not aping John Barry's style).

    All in all, I really loved this film. Sam Mendes can take a bow. In fact, I'm somewhat tempted to watch it all over again immediately. SF is a 'modern classic.' Bravo, Mr Mendes ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐/5

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    Thank you @mtm - means a lot to me.

    Something that me and @peter were talking about beforehand was the evolution in Bond's character in SF. In CR and QOS, he's portrayed as being a bit of a 'bad boy'; someone willing to break the rules and turn against authority. There are certainly elements of that character still in play here, but I feel that its been subdued. It's clear to me that Craig felt that he had accomplished that depiction of the character and wanted to play an older, broken Bond - one with mummy issues and some psychological texture. At the same time, it's also arguably Craig's most 'Bond performance' - he's looser, funnier and still brutal in the action.

    In some ways, it feels like the first 3 films form their own trilogy and that the reboot era came full circle with SF. I know some take umbrage that Craig went from being a rookie Bond to an old Bond. However, it's the really dramatic meat that Craig needed and it shows a progression in character by not boxing him in as one particular 'type' of 007.

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  • edited November 2021 Posts: 1,394
    Skyfall is one of the best looking Bond films.The cinematography is superb.

    Besides that,it’s one of the very worst Bond films for me.The plot is completely absurd.I know this isn’t new for a Bond film,but given its serious tone and “ gritty and realistic “ approach ,it just makes it all the more ridiculous.
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Skyfall is one of the best looking Bond films.The cinematography is superb.

    Besides that,it’s one of the very worst Bond films for me.The plot is completely absurd.I know this isn’t new for a Bond film,but given its serious tone and “ gritty and realistic “ approach ,it just makes it all the more ridiculous.
    Now we have more fodder for a discussion because I have similar thoughts and been told things like I just want to dislike what's popular. Hardly. I just find it very uneven and the excellent parts are dragged down by some that aren't so great. I'm glad to discuss further at any point.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    It’s second in the rankings for me in the entire series, just under FRWL. That said, it’s certainly Craig’s best of his run. It’s his GF, his TSWLM. Thankfully and mercifully not his TWINE (poor Brozza).
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited November 2021 Posts: 17,795
    BT3366 wrote: »
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Skyfall is one of the best looking Bond films.The cinematography is superb.

    Besides that,it’s one of the very worst Bond films for me.The plot is completely absurd.I know this isn’t new for a Bond film,but given its serious tone and “ gritty and realistic “ approach ,it just makes it all the more ridiculous.
    Now we have more fodder for a discussion because I have similar thoughts and been told things like I just want to dislike what's popular. Hardly. I just find it very uneven and the excellent parts are dragged down by some that aren't so great. I'm glad to discuss further at any point.

    I just feel like Skyfall (much like NTTD) is a bunch of loosely written scenes to connect dramatic & action pieces. And that's nothing new for a Bond movie, but given that we are supposed to take it all so deadly seriously I would assume they'd be as deadly serious with the plot holes & reasoning behind the characters motivations for their choices. Given that M had to die in the end, I feel there were better ways to get to it than what they put together. I'm not even talking about a complete rewrite, just adjustments to the script to make it all a little less on-the-fly-seeming.
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    BT3366 wrote: »
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Skyfall is one of the best looking Bond films.The cinematography is superb.

    Besides that,it’s one of the very worst Bond films for me.The plot is completely absurd.I know this isn’t new for a Bond film,but given its serious tone and “ gritty and realistic “ approach ,it just makes it all the more ridiculous.
    Now we have more fodder for a discussion because I have similar thoughts and been told things like I just want to dislike what's popular. Hardly. I just find it very uneven and the excellent parts are dragged down by some that aren't so great. I'm glad to discuss further at any point.

    I just feel like Skyfall (much like NTTD) is a bunch of loosely written scenes to connect dramatic & action pieces. And that's nothing new for a Bond movie, but given that we are supposed to take it all so deadly seriously I would assume they'd be as deadly serious with the plot holes & reasoning behind the characters motivations for their choices. Given that M had to die in the end, I feel there were better ways to get to it than what they put together. I'm not even talking about a complete rewrite, just adjustments to the script to make it all a little less on-the-fly-seeming.

    Yes, good points. I look at the Macau casino scene as part of that. They need an excuse to get the tropes of Bond in a tux and to a casino and make contact and put in a poor action scene with a CGI exotic animal to get him to Silva's island. It's a glaring example of silly and unnecessary in advancing the story.

    Does anybody else find the action in SF the most underwhelming of Craig's era?
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