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  • MrBondMrBond Station S
    Posts: 2,044
    PTS: TND
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: YOLT
    Main Bond Girl: YOLT
    Overall Plot: YOLT
    Dialogue: TND
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: YOLT
    Humor: TND
    Cinematography: YOLT
    *Benign Bizarre: YOLT
    Suspense: YOLT
    Minor Characters: YOLT
    Glamor: YOLT
    Ally: YOLT

    YOLT-13 TND-3

    But on the other hand, i do really like YOLT.
  • ThighsOfXeniaThighsOfXenia
    edited January 2014 Posts: 1,596
    PTS: TND
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: TND - Both are excellent
    Main Bond Girl: TND
    Overall Plot: YOLT
    Dialogue: TND
    Score: Tie
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: TND
    Humor: TND
    Cinematography: YOLT
    *Benign Bizarre: TND
    Suspense: TND
    Minor Characters: YOLT
    Glamor: YOLT
    Ally: YOLT

    8-8 Tie here I suppose. Interesting considering TND placed several spots ahead of YOLT in my last ranking. Maybe it's time for a revisit.

  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Soundofthesinners wrote:
    You're right, but that's not carte blanche to let Brosnan get run over with bias steamrollers. Perhaps I'm just surprised by how overwhelmingly people seem to prefer YOLT, considering that it's usually in the lower tier of rankings.

    True, but that applies to TND as well, and even more so.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
    edited January 2014 Posts: 4,399
    PTS: TND
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: TND
    Main Villain: TND
    Main Bond Girl: YOLT
    Overall Plot: TND
    Dialogue: TND
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: TND
    Humor: TND
    Cinematography: YOLT
    *Benign Bizarre: TND
    Suspense: YOLT
    Minor Characters: TND
    Glamor: YOLT
    Ally: TND

    YOLT - 7 TND - 10

    I would rather watch TND over YOLT any day or the week...

    by the time Connery hit YOLT, he seemed tired with the role, and just seemed to sleep walk through the film at times.. in many ways, much like how MR was essentially a clone of TSWLM - thats kind of how i feel about YOLT - it feels like a spiritual clone of TB... TB's premise could be a bit contrived and gaudy, but i feel like YOLT ramps it up to 11...

    TND is a very paint by numbers affair - it ticks off all the boxes when it comes to what you would expect in the typical Bond film. It's all tightly woven, the film has a good pace to it, the action if pretty good as well... but it suffers from being a little too bland at times, lacking any memorable set piece, distinguishing characteristic, or eye catching scenery/locations - and has a pretty forgettable performance from Terri Hatcher.
  • JohnBarryFanJohnBarryFan
    Posts: 1,405
    PTS: YOLT
    Title Track: TND
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: YOLT
    Main Bond Girl: YOLT
    Overall Plot: TND
    Dialogue: YOLT
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: TND
    Action: TND
    Humor: YOLT
    Cinematography: TND
    *Benign Bizarre: YOLT
    Suspense: YOLT
    Minor Characters:YOLT
    Glamor: YOLT
    Ally: TND
  • YouHaveAnOddJobYouHaveAnOddJob
    Posts: 136
    PTS: TND
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: YOLT
    Main Bond Girl: TND
    Overall Plot: YOLT
    Dialogue: TND
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: YOLT
    Humor: TND
    Cinematography: TND
    *Benign Bizarre: YOLT
    Suspense: YOLT
    Minor Characters:YOLT
    Glamor: YOLT
    Ally: YOLT

    So, 11-5 You Only Live Twice. Considering YOLT is one of my favs of the series and Tommorow Never Dies is one of my least favorites, Im surprised the scores not worse.
  • SharkBaitSharkBait
    Posts: 2,107
    PTS: YOLT
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: YOLT
    Main Bond Girl: YOLT
    Overall Plot: YOLT
    Dialogue: YOLT
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: TND
    Humor: YOLT
    Cinematography: YOLT
    *Benign Bizarre: YOLT
    Suspense: YOLT
    Minor Characters:YOLT
    Glamor: YOLT
    Ally: YOLT

    Take that Tomorrow Never Dies!
  • VirageVirage
    Posts: 1,856
    @SharkBait
    I Guess you don't like TND.
  • SharkBaitSharkBait
    edited January 2014 Posts: 2,107
    No, I actually like it more than Goldeneye. YOLT is just better. And believe me or not, I don't even mind Jonathan Pryce hamming it up. I love it. You just can't beat Connery's 60's epic.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    This round smells like a slaughterhouse.
  • barryt007barryt007
    edited January 2014 Posts: 19,339
    PTS: TND
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: TND
    Main Bond Girl: TND
    Overall Plot: TND
    Dialogue: YOLT
    Score: YOLT/TND (cant separate them.)
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: TND
    Humour: YOLT
    Cinematography: YOLT
    *Benign Bizarre: YOLT
    Suspense: YOLT
    Minor Characters:YOLT
    Glamour: YOLT
    Ally: YOLT

    TND : 6 / YOLT : 12 (Surprising,thought it would be closer,although i still find TND a lot easier and enjoyable to watch.)
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    Doing the judging and the new match-up tomorrow, so if anyone is planning a last-minute miracle rally for TND, now's your chance!
  • SlyFox007SlyFox007
    Posts: 414
    PTS: TND
    Title Track: TND
    Title Credits: TND
    Main Villain: YOLT
    Main Bond Girl: YOLT
    Overall Plot: YOLT
    Dialogue: YOLT
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: YOLT
    Humor: TND
    Cinematography: YOLT
    *Benign Bizarre: YOLT
    Suspense: TND
    Minor Characters: YOLT
    Glamor: TND
    Ally: YOLT
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    Well, no prizes for guessing who won, ladies and gentlemen, but the official results are as follows 306-132-5 for You Only Live Twice, in what is far and away our biggest blowout to date. Next time you'll get a layup, Pierce, I promise.

    With that said, onto our next match! It's the first vs. the last, where old becomes new and new becomes old, Dr. No vs. Skyfall!

    PTS: SF (duh)
    Title Track: SF (duh)
    Title Credits: SF
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: SF
    Score: SF
    Settings: SF
    Action: SF
    Humor: SF
    Cinematography: SF
    *Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamor: DN
    Ally: DN

    A very close matchup, but Skyfall prevails 9-8. Fitting since they sit at 6 and 7 on my Bond ranking, respectively.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    edited January 2014 Posts: 4,423
    PTS: SF
    Title Track: SF
    Title Credits: SF
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: SF
    Score: SF
    Settings: DN
    Action: SF
    Humor: DN
    Cinematography: SF
    *Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamor: DN
    Ally: DN

    SF - 7
    DN - 10

    Tight as a very tight thing. Not surprising as they sit close together on me rankings.


    Edit - of course it is. Computer blindness...
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    Your ranking should be 10-7 in favor of Dr. No @royale65. Other than that, no complaints!
  • delticminerdelticminer
    edited January 2014 Posts: 115
    PTS: SF obviously
    Title Track: SF obviously
    Title Credits: SF. The 50 years between the two movies is obvious here
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: SF
    Score: SF
    Settings: SF
    Action: SF
    Humor: SF
    Cinematography: SF
    *Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: SF
    Minor Characters: SF
    Glamour: SF
    Ally: SF (I like Kincade too much to place him underneath an overrated Felix and a host of other boring allies)

    Skyfall 13
    Doctor No 4

    Interesting as Skyfall sits at 6 and Dr No at 9 on my rankings. Skyfall wins most categories as Dr No, as much as I like it, feels a tad wooden and creaky a lot of the time.
  • ThighsOfXeniaThighsOfXenia
    edited January 2014 Posts: 1,596
    PTS: SF
    Title Track: SF
    Title Credits: SF
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: SF
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: SF
    Score: SF
    Settings: DN
    Action: SF
    Humor: DN
    Cinematography: SF
    *Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: SF
    Ally: DN - Puss Feller!

    Skyfall - 9
    Dr. No - 8

    Skyfall benefits from some of these categories simply by being 50 years ahead of Dr. No.

    While Skyfall easily makes my top 10 Dr. No easily makes my top 3.
  • MrBondMrBond Station S
    Posts: 2,044
    Let's see if the old ways really are the best... ;)

    PTS: SF
    Title Track: SF
    Title Credits: SF
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Overall Plot: SF
    Dialogue: SF
    Score: SF
    Settings: DN
    Action: SF
    Humor: SF
    Cinematography: SF
    *Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: SF
    Glamour: SF
    Ally: SF

    Skyfall - 12
    Dr. No - 5

    Although DN is top 10 material for me, it's always surprising how well Dr. No still holds up!
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    PTS: SF
    Title Track: SF
    Title Credits: SF
    Main Villain: SF
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Overall Plot: SF
    Dialogue: SF
    Score: SF
    Settings: DN
    Action: SF
    Humor: SF
    Cinematography: SF
    *Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: SF
    Glamour: SF
    Ally: SF

    Skyfall - 13
    Dr. No - 4
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    Posts: 7,314
    PTS: SF
    Title Track: SF
    Title Credits: SF
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Overall Plot: SF
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: SF
    Settings: SF
    Action: SF
    Humor: DN
    Cinematography: SF
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: SF
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamor: DN
    Ally: DN

    SF squeaks by 9-8 but it did have an advantage in the PTS category.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Posts: 3,157
    PTS: SF
    Title Track: SF
    Title Credits: SF
    Main Villain: SF
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Overall Plot: SF
    Dialogue: SF
    Score: SF
    Settings: SF
    Action: SF
    Humor: SF
    Cinematography: SF
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: SF
    Minor Characters: SF
    Glamor: SF
    Ally: DN
  • VirageVirage
    Posts: 1,856
    PTS: SF
    Title Track: SF
    Title Credits: SF
    Main Villain: SF
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Overall Plot: SF
    Dialogue: SF
    Score: SF
    Settings: SF
    Action: SF
    Humor: DN
    Cinematography: SF
    *Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: SF
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamor: DN
    Ally: DN

    SF 11 to DN 5 Ouch, I wasn't excepting it to be close but not that much of a walk-over.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited January 2014 Posts: 4,516
    PTS: SF
    Title Track: SF
    Title Credits: SF
    Main Villain: SF
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: SF
    Score: SF
    Settings: DN
    Action: SF
    Humor: SF
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: SF
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamor: DN
    Ally: DN
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 14,571
    PTS: SF
    Title Track: SF
    Title Credits: SF
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: SF
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: SF
    Score: SF
    Settings: DN
    Action: SF
    Humor: SF
    Cinematography: SF
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: SF
    Ally: DN

    SF: 10
    DN: 7

    What I expected. Both probably just creep into the top 10 in my rankings.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited January 2014 Posts: 13,355
    PTS: Skyfall
    Title Track: Skyfall
    Title Credits: Skyfall
    Main Villain: Dr. No
    Main Bond Girl: Dr. No
    Overall Plot: Dr. No
    Dialogue: Skyfall
    Score: Skyfall
    Settings: Dr. No
    Action: Skyfall
    Humor: Skyfall
    Cinematography: Skyfall
    Benign Bizarre:Dr. No
    Suspense: Dr. No
    Minor Characters: Dr. No
    Glamour: Skyfall
    Ally: Dr. No
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,795

    PTS: n/a
    Title Track: SF
    Title Credits: SF
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: SF
    Settings: DN
    Action: DN
    Humor: DN
    Cinematography: SF
    *Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamor: SF
    Ally: DN


    11 to 5 for Dr. No
  • WillyGaloreWillyGalore
    Posts: 6,396
    PTS: SF
    Title Track: SF
    Title Credits: SF
    Main Villain: SF
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: SF
    Score: SF
    Settings: DN
    Action: SF
    Humor: DN
    Cinematography: SF
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: SF
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: SF
    Ally: DN

    10-7 to Skyfall

  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
    edited January 2014 Posts: 2,483
    IMO, the PTS shouldn't even be a category in this one. Gives SF an unfair advantage.

    PTS: n/a
    Title Track: SF
    Title Credits: SF
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: SF
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: SF
    Score: SF
    Settings: SF
    Action: SF
    Humor: SF
    Cinematography: SF
    *Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamor: DN
    Ally: DN

    SF: 9
    DN: 7
  • hildebrand_rarityhildebrand_rarity
    Posts: 316
    good idea, @Perilagu_Khan

    PTS: n/a
    Title Track: DN (the 007 theme surpasses anything and everything no matter what)
    TItle Credits: SF
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: SF
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: SF
    Score: DN
    Settings: DN
    Action: SF
    Humor: DN
    Cinematography: DN (just kidding) SF
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: SF
    Minor Characters: DN (Puss Feller!)
    Glamor: SF
    Ally: DN

    10-6 in favor of Doctor No
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