Live And Let Die vs Tomorrow Never Dies - By the Elements

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  • A pretty tough choice in most every category.

    PTS: OHMSS (close)
    Title Track: OHMSS (close)
    Title Credits: CR (close)
    Main Villain: OHMSS (close)
    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS (close)
    Overall Plot: OHMSS (close)
    Dialogue: OHMSS
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: OHMSS
    Action: OHMSS (another close one... for me, while CR has some powerhouse sequences, OHMSS wins by sheer number, variety and scale of its action)
    Humor: OHMSS
    Cinematography: OHMSS (close)
    Benign Bizarre: OHMSS
    Suspense: OHMSS (close)
    Minor Characters: OHMSS
    Glamor: CR
    Ally: OHMSS

    CR - 2
    OHMSS - 15

    I have to concede heavy bias in that I"ve watched OHMSS countless times, and CR only maybe 4 times, so far, though I like it a lot.
  • edited March 2014 Posts: 7,507
    PTS: OHMSS
    Title Track: OHMSS
    Title Credits: CR
    Main Villain: CR
    Main Bond Girl: CR (Clash of the titans! The two best BGs in the series.)
    Overall Plot: CR
    Dialogue: CR
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: OHMSS
    Action: CR
    Humor: OHMSS
    Cinematography: CR
    Benign Bizarre: OHMSS
    Suspense: CR
    Minor Characters: CR
    Glamor: CR
    Ally: OHMSS

    10-7 CR
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    A pretty tough choice in most every category.
    Q: What do you like more- CR or OHMSS?

    A: <font size=6>YES</font>
  • Good summary there, @QBranch, but looking at the final scores we find On Her Majesty's Secret Service winning this war by the close margin of 306-286-2! Let's capitalize on the madness and move right on to @Kerim's favored match up, Moonraker vs. Die Another Day. Do be creative, but try to make it easy for me to judge, if you all would.

    PTS: DAD
    Title Track: MR
    Title Credits: DAD
    Main Villain: DAD
    Main Bond Girl: MR (if only it had been Frost)
    Overall Plot: DAD
    Dialogue: MR (DAD has the worst in the series)
    Score: MR
    Settings: DAD (Ice palace>outer space)
    Action: MR (Bondola vs. Invisible Car…yeah)
    Humor: MR (Jinx’s one liners…yeah)
    Cinematography: MR
    Benign Bizarre: MR (certainly neither one is all that benign)
    Suspense: MR (Is it suspense if you actively want Jinx to die?)
    Minor Characters: DAD
    Glamor: DAD (I…guess?)
    Ally: MR (neither really springs to mind)

    10-7 for Moonraker. That was quite a trip.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    PTS: DAD
    Title Track: MR
    Title Credits: DAD
    Main Villain: MR
    Main Bond Girl: MR
    Overall Plot: MR
    Dialogue: MR
    Score: MR
    Settings: DAD
    Action: DAD
    Humor: MR
    Cinematography: MR
    Benign Bizarre: MR
    Suspense: MR
    Minor Characters: DAD
    Glamor: MR
    Ally: DAD (For Raoul not Jinx.)

    It might be time to go home. :)
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,355
    PTS: MR
    Title Track: MR
    Title Credits: DAD
    Main Villain: MR
    Main Bond Girl: MR
    Overall Plot: MR
    Dialogue: MR
    Score: MR
    Settings: MR
    Action: MR
    Humor: MR
    Cinematography: MR
    Benign Bizarre: MR
    Suspense: MR
    Minor Characters: MR
    Glamor: MR
    Ally: DAD
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,798
    MR is the only Bond film I won't watch again. This will prove interesting...

    PTS: DAD
    Title Track: DAD
    Title Credits: DAD
    Main Villain: MR
    Main Bond Girl: MR
    Overall Plot: MR
    Dialogue: MR
    Score: MR
    Settings: DAD
    Action: DAD
    Humor: MR
    Cinematography: MR
    Benign Bizarre: DAD
    Suspense: DAD
    Minor Characters: MR
    Glamour: MR
    Ally: DAD
    9 to 8 in favour of MR??? Didn't see that coming... :O
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    When was the last time you watched Moonraker @chrisisall?
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited March 2014 Posts: 17,798
    Murdock wrote:
    When was the last time you watched Moonraker @chrisisall?
    Early Eighties on VHS (second & last time).
    I've seen tons of scenes last year on Youtube in an effort to drum up interest in seeing it again. That failed miserably. The old feelings of hatred & betrayal just keep coming back. 8-|
    I wasn't too fond of Jaws in TSWLM; but he was the last straw in MR.
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    I won't bother with this. MR wins in almost every category - except perhaps Bond himself. Rog didn't FEEL like Bond in that film.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    chrisisall wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    When was the last time you watched Moonraker @chrisisall?
    Early Eighties on VHS (second & last time).
    I've seen tons of scenes last year on Youtube in an effort to drum up interest in seeing it again. That failed miserably. The old feelings of hatred & betrayal just keep coming back. 8-|
    I wasn't too fond of Jaws in TSWLM; but he was the last straw in MR.

    I really think you should give it a second chance. Granted It's not my favorite it does have fun with it's self. The best thing I can say is, Don't watch it as a Bond movie, but just as a movie. :) I watched it recently and just let it take me into it's world. I had a great time watching it.
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    PTS: MR
    Title Track: MR
    Title Credits: MR
    Main Villain: MR
    Main Bond Girl: MR
    Overall Plot: MR
    Dialogue: MR
    Score: MR
    Settings: MR
    Action: MR
    Humor: MR
    Cinematography: MR
    Benign Bizarre: MR
    Suspense: MR
    Minor Characters: MR
    Glamor: MR
    Ally: - MR
  • edited March 2014 Posts: 7,653
    PTS: MR
    Title Track: MR
    Title Credits: MR
    Main Villain: MR
    Main Bond Girl: MR
    Overall Plot: MR
    Dialogue: MR
    Score: MR
    Settings: MR
    Action: MR
    Humor: MR
    Cinematography: MR
    Benign Bizarre: MR
    Suspense: MR
    Minor Characters: MR
    Glamor: MR
    Ally: MR

    What was the other movie called again?? O:-)
  • edited March 2014 Posts: 2,107
    PTS: MR
    Title Track: MR
    Title Credits: MR
    Main Villain: MR
    Main Bond Girl: MR
    Overall Plot: MR
    Dialogue: MR
    Score: MR
    Settings: MR
    Action: MR
    Humor: MR
    Cinematography: MR
    Benign Bizarre: MR
    Suspense: MR
    Minor Characters: MR
    Glamor: MR


    ...aaand that was SO easy.

    and to whomever said don't watch it as Bond movie; watch it as Bond movie. I've resently done Bond marathon (well, still have tnd, twine, dad, cr, qos and sf to watch) and the magic of the franchise is that it has evolved to all likes, wether iyou like suspence or over the top action.
  • edited March 2014 Posts: 2,483
    PTS: MR (very underrated, Jaws flapping doesn't bother me in the slightest)
    Title Track: MR (not even close, Bassey vs. Madonna, are you kiddin' me?!)
    Title Credits: MR (neither are memorable)
    Main Villain: MR
    Main Bond Girl: MR (Goodhead isn't better than many, but everybody is better than Jinx)
    Overall Plot: MR
    Dialogue: MR
    Score: MR
    Settings: MR
    Action: MR
    Humor: MR
    Cinematography: MR
    Benign Bizarre: MR
    Suspense: MR
    Minor Characters: MR
    Glamor: MR
    Ally: DAD (if Raoul is the ally in DAD and Goodhead is the ally in MR)

    16-1 MR
  • I got whiplash from the sudden turn from the upper eschelon of the series to the dregs! :))

    PTS: MR (although the dumb circus wrap-up almost tilts it to DAD's favor)
    Title Track: MR
    Title Credits: DAD
    Main Villain: MR
    Main Bond Girl: DAD (moreso if it was Frost)
    Overall Plot: MR
    Dialogue: MR
    Score: MR
    Settings: MR
    Action: DAD
    Humor: MR
    Cinematography: MR
    Benign Bizarre: DAD
    Suspense: DAD
    Minor Characters: MR
    Glamour: MR
    Ally: DAD

    11-6 for MR, incredibly enough.
  • Posts: 12,466
    Hmmm.... two not-so-great Bond films for me:

    PTS: DAD (I like them both a lot, but an edge to DAD for its intensity)
    Title Track: MR (Bassey > Madonna)
    Title Credits: DAD (I liked the torture sequence mixed with the animation)
    Main Villain: MR (Drax is better than Graves; both aren't great)
    Main Bond Girl: MR (not a big fan of either, but Holly is better than Jinx)
    Overall Plot: DAD (DAD by a bit; just don't like the idea of Bond going to space)
    Dialogue: DAD (tossup; don't care for either much)
    Score: MR (John Barry score wins by default here)
    Settings: MR (though not a fan of the outer space bit, overall settings are more memorable in MR)
    Action: DAD (more intense and action-packed, albeit some bad CGI)
    Humor: MR (does this one need an explanation?)
    Cinematography: MR
    Benign Bizarre: MR (easy point here for MR)
    Suspense: DAD (big win for DAD; kept me more interested for what came next)
    Minor Characters: DAD (tossup, decided to give DAD another point)
    Glamor: DAD (both could be considered 'glamorous', but not always in appealing ways)
    Ally: DAD (like Perilagu_Khan said, if it's Raoul then it wins)

    9-8 DAD
    Not a big fan of either but I prefer DAD slightly because of Brosnan's performance as Bond and since the film just has a decent first half (MR does too though...). This could swing either way in a lot of categories. Both films had a lot more potential to be better, but suffered several cons that drag them near the bottom of my rankings.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,798
    Birdleson wrote:
    I think that DAD has a great first 29 minutes, couldn't ask for more. Then, total shit. Except I still dig the sword fight (minus Madonna).
    Five Martini's make the last half hour excellent.
    8-}
  • edited March 2014 Posts: 6,396
    chrisisall wrote:
    Birdleson wrote:
    I think that DAD has a great first 29 minutes, couldn't ask for more. Then, total shit. Except I still dig the sword fight (minus Madonna).
    A Five Martini'sfrontal lobotomy make the last half hour excellent.
    8-}
    :-bd
  • SuperheroSithSuperheroSith SE London
    Posts: 578
    PTS: MR
    Title Track: MR
    Title Credits: DAD
    Main Villain: MR
    Main Bond Girl: MR
    Overall Plot: MR
    Dialogue: MR
    Score: MR
    Settings: MR
    Action: MR
    Humor: MR
    Cinematography: MR
    Benign Bizarre: MR
    Suspense: MR
    Minor Characters: MR
    Glamor: MR
    Ally: MR

    16 - 1 in favour of MR. Fudge...
  • Posts: 3,336
    PTS: MR
    Title Track: MR
    Title Credits: MR
    Main Villain: MR
    Main Bond Girl: MR
    Overall Plot: MR
    Dialogue: MR
    Score: MR
    Settings: MR
    Action: DAD
    Humor: MR
    Cinematography: MR
    Benign Bizarre: DAD
    Suspense: MR
    Minor Characters: MR
    Glamour: MR
    Ally: MR

    15 - 2 to Moonraker
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,798
    chrisisall wrote:
    Birdleson wrote:
    I think that DAD has a great first 29 minutes, couldn't ask for more. Then, total shit. Except I still dig the sword fight (minus Madonna).
    A Five Martini'sfrontal lobotomy make the last half hour excellent.
    8-}
    :-bd

    Same thing really, except you can work the next day after the Martini's. :))
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    Posts: 5,080
    PTS: MR
    Title Track: DAD (go on, eject me, see if I care), I just think Moonraker is a bit...boring.
    Title Credits: DAD
    Main Villain: MR
    Main Bond Girl: MR
    Overall Plot: MR
    Dialogue: MR
    Score: MR
    Settings: MR
    Action: MR
    Humor: MR
    Cinematography: MR
    Benign Bizarre: MR
    Suspense: MR
    Minor Characters: MR
    Glamour: DAD
    Ally: MR

    MR-14, DAD- 3
  • Posts: 6,396
    Don't worry @MayDay. Some people are coming to take good care of you...

    MAB-Park3.jpg

    B-)
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited March 2014 Posts: 17,798
    What? Just so he can enjoy the last half hour of DAD?!?!?
    It's not worth it, man!
  • Posts: 7,507
    PTS: MR (I'd take real life stunts over lazy machine gunnery every day of the weak!)
    Title Track: MR
    Title Credits: MR
    Main Villain: MR
    Main Bond Girl: MR
    Overall Plot: MR
    Dialogue: MR (duh)
    Score: MR
    Settings: MR (One of the strong points of MR is definitely the locations)
    Action: MR (Much greater variety and style)
    Humor: MR
    Cinematography: MR
    Benign Bizarre: MR
    Suspense: MR
    Minor Characters: MR
    Glamour: MR
    Ally: DAD (I actually like the cuban cigar dealer. Guess he counts as an ally)


    MR: 16
    DAD: 1
  • Posts: 11,189
    Can I suggest a TSWLM Vs. MR round (if that hasn't yet been done).
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,798
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Can I suggest a TSWLM Vs. MR round (if that hasn't yet been done).
    Eh, the outcome is known to all of us.
    =;
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    Posts: 7,314
    PTS: MR
    Title Track: MR
    Title Credits: MR
    Main Villain: MR (Drax is underrated)
    Main Bond Girl: MR (Not great but better than Jinx)
    Overall Plot: MR
    Dialogue: MR
    Score: MR
    Settings: MR
    Action: DAD (DAD's only true advantage)
    Humor: MR
    Cinematography: MR
    Benign Bizarre: MR
    Suspense: MR
    Minor Characters: MR
    Glamor: MR
    Ally: MR

    This was a landslide victory for MR, 16-1. I figured it would be. I find MR to be quite underrated while DAD really is that bad.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    PTS: MR
    Title Track: MR
    Title Credits: DAD
    Main Villain: MR
    Main Bond Girl: MR
    Overall Plot: MR
    Dialogue: MR
    Score: MR
    Settings: MR
    Action: MR
    Humor: MR
    Cinematography: MR
    Benign Bizarre: MR
    Suspense: MR
    Minor Characters: MR
    Glamor: MR
    Ally: Tie, all unmemorable.

    15-1 for MR
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