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  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
    Posts: 2,483
    ThighsOfXenia wrote:
    Anybody else think that these could use a "Henchman" and "Set Design" categories?

    Definitely on Henchman, and Set Design wouldn't be bad either.

  • YouHaveAnOddJobYouHaveAnOddJob
    Posts: 136
    PTS: OP
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: OP
    Main Villain: YOLT
    Main Bond Girl: OP
    Overall Plot: YOLT
    Dialogue: OP
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: OP
    Humor: OP
    Cinematography: OP
    Benign Bizarre: OP
    Suspense: OP
    Minor Characters: YOLT
    Glamor: OP
    Ally: YOLT

    Octopussy 10 - 7




  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    edited May 2014 Posts: 16,351
    PTS: OP
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: YOLT
    Main Bond Girl: OP
    Overall Plot: OP
    Dialogue: OP
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: OP
    Action: YOLT
    Humor: OP
    Cinematography: YOLT
    Benign Bizarre: YOLT
    Suspense: OP
    Minor Characters: OP
    Glamor: YOLT
    Ally: YOLT


    YOLT - 9
    OP - 8
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,136
    PTS: OP
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: OP
    Main Bond Girl: OP
    Overall Plot: OP
    Dialogue: OP
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: OP
    Action: OP
    Humor: OP
    Cinematography: YOLT
    Benign Bizarre: YOLT
    Suspense: OP
    Minor Characters: OP
    Glamor: OP
    Ally: YOLT


    OP - 11
    YOLT - 6

    Strangely OP wins!
    Who'd of thunk it?

    ;)
  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
    Posts: 2,483
    Hell, I'm surprised you even gave YOLT a vote, Octobenny!
  • SlyFox007SlyFox007
    Posts: 414
    PTS: Octopussy
    Title Track: YOLT (At least a Sinatra got to do a Bond theme)
    Title Credits: Octopussy (Usually the theme song and visuals are so entwined in my mind. I think this is the first time I've voted one film for the theme and the other for the visuals that accompany it.)
    Main Villain: YOLT
    Main Bond Girl: YOLT (I'm totally considering this Kissy V Octopussy)
    Overall Plot: YOLT
    Dialogue: YOLT
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: YOLT
    Humor: Octopussy (Sir Roger's specialty)
    Cinematography: YOLT
    Benign Bizarre: YOLT
    Suspense: YOLT
    Minor Characters: YOLT
    Glamor: YOLT
    Ally: YOLT

    YOLT - 14
    Octopussy - 3

    Shut-out victory for YOLT. Not too surprising, considering YOLT is in my Top 5 and Octopussy falls just outside of my Top 10. The surprising thing is that, by the elements, a lot of these votes were split decisions, basically with the tie going to YOLT.
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    PTS:OP
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: OP
    Main Bond Girl: OP
    Overall Plot: OP
    Dialogue: OP
    Score: OP
    Settings: OP
    Action: OP
    Humor: OP
    Cinematography: OP
    Benign Bizarre: OP
    Suspense: OP
    Minor Characters: OP
    Glamor: OP
    Ally: YOLT

    YOLT :3
    OP : 14

    That's about right...OP is one of my favourite films and YOLT isnt.
  • ThighsOfXeniaThighsOfXenia
    edited May 2014 Posts: 1,596
    This one has either been really close or a blow out one way or another. Weird.
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    Any final entries before the end of our current match?
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited May 2014 Posts: 17,798
    Pre Titles - TLD
    Title Track - TLD (close though)
    Title Credits - LTK
    Main Adversary - LTK
    Main Girl - LTK
    Overall Plot - TLD
    Dialogue - LTK
    Score - TLD
    Settings - TLD
    Action - LTK
    Humour - LTK (another close one)
    Cinematography - TLD
    Benign Bizarre - LTK
    Suspense - LTK
    Minor Characters - TLD

    8 to 7 in favour of LTK. Funny, I enjoy TLD just a little bit more... :-?
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
    edited May 2014 Posts: 1,731
    ugh @chrisisall. Tim's only two films head to head... this is like having to say which of your children you secretly prefer...
    :-S

    Pre Titles - TLD
    Title Track - TLD
    Title Credits - LTK
    Main Adversary - LTK
    Main Girl - TLD
    Overall Plot - TLD
    Dialogue - TLD
    Score - TLD
    Settings - TLD
    Action - TLD
    Humour - LTK
    Cinematography - TLD
    Benign Bizarre - LTK
    Suspense - LTK
    Minor Characters - TLD

    5-10... pretty much reflects my favoritism for 'Daylights. But LTK still special cause it's Dalton
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
    Posts: 2,402
    Pre Titles - TLD. Best in the series along with CR.
    Title Track - TLD
    Title Credits - TLD. LTK's are very dull.
    Main Adversary - LTK. Best in the series.
    Main Girl - TLD.
    Overall Plot - TLD
    Dialogue - TLD. "You should've brought lilies."
    Score - TLD. Three way tie with TB and OHMSS for best in the series.
    Settings - TLD. Six countries in one film? C'mon. This wins by default.
    Action - TLD. Goddamn you, this was an excruciating choice. The ice chase (best car chase in the series), grand battle in Afghanistan and cargo net fight vs. the seaplane and tanker chase (best action in the series). Ultimately it's the small things (Necros attacks countryside retreat, rooftop chase) that put TLD above LTK.
    Humour - LTK. Every single "funny" line is nailed perfectly.
    Cinematography - TLD
    Benign Bizarre - LTK
    Suspense - LTK. Another excruciating choice. In the end, though TLD has the whole cargo net fight and anything else with Necros, there is so much in LTK that left me on the edge of my seat. Bond walking through Felix's house before he finds Della, Felix being held next to the shark tank, Bond preparing to shoot Sanchez, Sanchez holding the blade to Bond's throat...
    Minor Characters - LTK. Terry's Leiter is enough to cancel out Pushkin.

    10-5 for TLD. That's shocking. Both films are two of only four in the series that I would give 10/10 to. TLD sits at #2 for me and LTK at #4.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
    Posts: 7,653
    Pre Titles - TLD
    Title Track - TLD
    Title Credits - TLD
    Main Adversary - LTK
    Main Girl - LTK
    Overall Plot - TLD
    Dialogue - TLD
    Score - TLD
    Settings - TLD
    Action - TLD (Nothing beats the fight in the netting outside of the cargo-plane)
    Humour - TLD
    Cinematography - TLD
    Benign Bizarre - LTK
    Suspense - TLD
    Minor Characters - TLD
  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
    Posts: 2,483
    Pre Titles - TLD
    Title Track - TLD
    Title Credits - LTK (neither is special)
    Main Adversary - LTK
    Main Girl - LTK
    Overall Plot - LTK
    Dialogue - LTK
    Score - TLD
    Settings - TLD
    Action - LTK
    Humour - LTK
    Cinematography - TLD
    Benign Bizarre - LTK
    Suspense - LTK
    Minor Characters - LTK

    LTK: 10
    TLD: 5
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited May 2014 Posts: 13,355
    Pre Titles - The Living Daylights
    Title Track - Licence To Kill
    Title Credits - The Living Daylights
    Main Adversary - Licence To Kill
    Main Girl - The Living Daylights
    Overall Plot - Licence To Kill
    Dialogue - Licence To Kill
    Score - The Living Daylights
    Settings - The Living Daylights
    Action - Licence To Kill
    Humour - Licence To Kill
    Cinematography - The Living Daylights
    Benign Bizarre - Licence To Kill
    Suspense - Licence To Kill
    Minor Characters - Licence To Kill
  • jobojobo
    Posts: 7,507
    Pre Titles - TLD
    Title Track - LTK
    Title Credits - TLD
    Main Adversary - LTK
    Main Girl - LTK
    Overall Plot - LTK
    Dialogue - TLD
    Score - TLD
    Settings - TLD
    Action - LTK
    Humour - LTK
    Cinematography - TLD
    Benign Bizarre - LTK
    Suspense - LTK
    Minor Characters - TLD

    LTK - 8
    TLD - 7
  • WillyGaloreWillyGalore
    Posts: 6,396
    Could this not go here instead?

    http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/8571/you-only-live-twice-vs.-octopussy-by-the-elements/p15#Item_431
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited May 2014 Posts: 13,355
    And that itself is the second thread, this being number three.

    I thought this was that thread and completely missed it. Thanks goodness for @WillyGalore! At least someone is on the ball. ;)
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    I know...i gave up trying to sort it.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,798
    WillyGalore wrote:
    Could this not go here instead?

    http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/8571/you-only-live-twice-vs.-octopussy-by-the-elements/p15#Item_431

    Ouch. Sorry, last night after I finished watching LTK I tossed this up totally forgetting the other thread changes its title from time to time. My bad.
    :\">
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    edited May 2014 Posts: 5,080
    chrisisall wrote:
    WillyGalore wrote:
    Could this not go here instead?

    http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/8571/you-only-live-twice-vs.-octopussy-by-the-elements/p15#Item_431

    Ouch. Sorry, last night after I finished watching LTK I tossed this up totally forgetting the other thread changes its title from time to time. My bad.
    :\">

    Yeah, I made the LALD vs OP by the elements thread that eventually got closed. Best to keep in the original.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,467
    Pre Titles - LTK
    Title Track - LTK
    Title Credits - TLD
    Main Adversary - LTK
    Main Girl - TLD
    Overall Plot - LTK
    Dialogue - TLD
    Score - TLD
    Settings - TLD
    Action - LTK
    Humour - LTK
    Cinematography - LTK
    Benign Bizarre - LTK
    Suspense - LTK
    Minor Characters - TLD

    LTK - 9
    TLD - 6

    Not a surprise; LTK is a few spots ahead of TLD in my ranking. Both good Bond films for sure.
  • ThighsOfXeniaThighsOfXenia
    edited May 2014 Posts: 1,596
    Pre-Titles - The Living Daylights
    Title Track - The Living Daylights
    Title Credits - The Living Daylights
    Main Adversary - Licence to Kill
    Main Girl - The Living Daylights
    Overall Plot - The Living Daylights
    Dialogue - The Living Daylights
    Score - The Living Daylights
    Settings - The Living Daylights
    Action - The Living Daylights
    Humour - The Living Daylights
    Cinematography - The Living Daylights
    Benign Bizarre - Licence to Kill
    Suspense - Licence to Kill
    Minor Characters - The Living Daylights

    12-3. Sounds about right for my personal opinion. Both good films I might add. I still think this thread needs maybe a "Bond" "Henchman" "Set Design" etc categories.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    Pre Titles - TLD
    Title Track - LTK
    Title Credits - LTK
    Main Adversary - LTK
    Main Girl - LTK
    Overall Plot - LTK
    Dialogue - LTK
    Score - TLD
    Settings - TLD
    Action - LTK
    Humour - LTK
    Cinematography - LTK
    Benign Bizarre - LTK
    Suspense - LTK
    Minor Characters - LTK

    LTK wins 12-3
  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    Pre Titles - TLD
    Title Track - TLD
    Title Credits - TLD
    Main Adversary - LTK
    Main Girl - LTK
    Overall Plot - TLD
    Dialogue - LTK
    Score - TLD
    Settings - TLD
    Action - LTK
    Humour - LTK
    Cinematography - TLD
    Benign Bizarre - LTK
    Suspense - TLD
    Minor Characters - LTK

    TLD: 8
    LTK: 7

    Well, that doesn't accurately reflect my personal opinion, because I actually prefer License to Kill by a longshot!
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,798
    00Beast wrote:
    Well, that doesn't accurately reflect my personal opinion, because I actually prefer License to Kill by a longshot!
    Isn't it fascinating to weight the ingredients & see how they come out in the actual product for you?
    To me they are SO close I sometimes can't tell which I like better...
  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    chrisisall wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    Well, that doesn't accurately reflect my personal opinion, because I actually prefer License to Kill by a longshot!
    Isn't it fascinating to weight the ingredients & see how they come out in the actual product for you?
    To me they are SO close I sometimes can't tell which I like better...

    It truly is quite fascinating! It makes me realize that sometimes you can like a movie simply because you like it- there don't always have to be concrete reasons for judging one movie above another, and this case surely counts!
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,798
    Still, if LTK had a Barry score, there would be no contest here for me.

  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
    edited May 2014 Posts: 2,629
    Pre Titles - TLD
    Title Track - TLD
    Title Credits - TLD
    Main Adversary - LTK
    Main Girl - LTK
    Overall Plot - LTK
    Dialogue - LTK
    Score - TLD
    Settings - TLD
    Action - LTK
    Humour - LTK
    Cinematography - LTK
    Benign Bizarre - LTK
    Suspense - LTK
    Minor Characters - LTK
    Glamour - TLD
    Ally - TLD

    License to Kill by a 10-5 margin.

    Fine, make it 10-7 License to Kill.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited May 2014 Posts: 14,572
    What happened to the Glamour/Ally categories?
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