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  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
    Posts: 2,483
    PTS: TND
    Title Track: TND
    Title Credits: QoS
    Main Villain: TND
    Main Bond Girl: QoS
    Overall Plot: TND
    Dialogue: TND
    Score: QoS
    Settings: QoS
    Action: QoS
    Humor: TND
    Cinematography: TND
    Benign Bizarre: QoS
    Suspense: QoS
    Minor Characters: TND
    Glamour: TND
    Ally: QoS

    TND:9
    QOS:8
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Posts: 3,157
    PTS: TND
    Title Track: TND There's no contest here
    Title Credits: TND
    Main Villain: TND
    Main Bond Girl: QOS
    Overall Plot: TND
    Dialogue: TND
    Score: TND
    Settings: TND
    Action: TND
    Humor: TND
    Cinematography: TND
    Benign Bizarre: TND
    Suspense: TND
    Minor Characters: TND
    Glamour: TND
    Ally: QOS (assuming it's Mathis)
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    Birdleson wrote:
    Soundofthesinners, please note that I tried to push for members doing their own totals.

    Well, it worked for a little while, and thanks for the effort. The same goes for anybody who does their own totals; it's much appreciated.
  • jobojobo
    Posts: 7,507
    I'm absolutely baffled that so many people prefere the cinematography in TND(??!!). I mean, honestly... have we seen the same films?
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    jobo wrote:
    I'm absolutely baffled that so many people prefere the cinematography in TND(??!!). I mean, honestly... have we seen the same films?

    The shakycam has few friends.
  • jobojobo
    edited May 2014 Posts: 7,507
    Soundofthesinners wrote:
    jobo wrote:
    I'm absolutely baffled that so many people prefere the cinematography in TND(??!!). I mean, honestly... have we seen the same films?

    The shakycam has few friends.

    But that (as of my understanding anyway...) has more to do with editing. Cinematography is about the quality of the frame itself; colour, texture, sharpness etc. In that area there's really no contest.

  • SlyFox007SlyFox007
    edited June 2014 Posts: 414
    TND strikes me as distinctly average, while QoS I find underrated.

    PTS: TND
    Title Track: QoS
    Title Credits: QoS
    Main Villain: QoS (Both are kind of goofy for villains, but Green seems like he has more of a dark side)
    Main Bond Girl: QoS
    Overall Plot: QoS (Controlling a water supply vs. manipulating world events for news stories)
    Dialogue: QoS
    Score: QoS
    Settings: TND
    Action: TND (I'm going to give TND the edge because the action scenes were filmed better)
    Humor: QoS
    Cinematography: TND
    Benign Bizarre: TND (see "Overall Plot", for starters)
    Suspense: QoS
    Minor Characters: QoS (Strawberry Fields, for starters)
    Glamour: QoS
    Ally: QoS

    QoS: 12
    TND: 5

    QoS takes it.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,798
    jobo wrote:
    Soundofthesinners wrote:
    jobo wrote:
    I'm absolutely baffled that so many people prefere the cinematography in TND(??!!). I mean, honestly... have we seen the same films?

    The shakycam has few friends.

    But that (as of my understanding anyway...) has more to do with editing. Cinematography is about the quality of the frame itself; colour, texture, sharpness etc. In that area there's really no contest.
    Cinematography is whatever you see on the screen, editing is how rapidly (or not) they switch from shot to shot. Shakycam is part of the cinematography.

  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 13,978
    PTS: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Title Track: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Title Credits: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Main Villain: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Main Bond Girl: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Overall Plot: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Dialogue: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Score: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Settings: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Action: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Humor: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Cinematography: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Benign Bizarre: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Suspense: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Minor Characters: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Glamour: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Ally: Tomorrow Never Dies


    That was a slaughter, and rightfully so.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,798
    MajorDSmythe wrote:
    That was a slaughter, and rightfully so.

    HIGH FIVE, MY MAN! =D>
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    Posts: 5,080
    MajorDSmythe wrote:
    PTS: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Title Track: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Title Credits: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Main Villain: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Main Bond Girl: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Overall Plot: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Dialogue: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Score: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Settings: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Action: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Humor: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Cinematography: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Benign Bizarre: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Suspense: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Minor Characters: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Glamour: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Ally: Tomorrow Never Dies


    That was a slaughter, and rightfully so.

    kick-to-the-head.gif
  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
    Posts: 2,483
    jobo wrote:
    I'm absolutely baffled that so many people prefere the cinematography in TND(??!!). I mean, honestly... have we seen the same films?

    Well I'm equally baffled that anybody could vote for AWTD over anything including the sound of cats fornicating (which is what Crow sounds like in TND, BTW).

  • jobojobo
    Posts: 7,507
    Perilagu_Khan wrote:
    jobo wrote:
    I'm absolutely baffled that so many people prefere the cinematography in TND(??!!). I mean, honestly... have we seen the same films?

    Well I'm equally baffled that anybody could vote for AWTD over anything including the sound of cats fornicating (which is what Crow sounds like in TND, BTW).

    Then feel free to remain baffled and prefer the 'crow sounds'...
  • jobojobo
    Posts: 7,507
    Another Way To Die, and by the way ;)
  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
    Posts: 2,483
    jobo wrote:
    Perilagu_Khan wrote:
    jobo wrote:
    I'm absolutely baffled that so many people prefere the cinematography in TND(??!!). I mean, honestly... have we seen the same films?

    Well I'm equally baffled that anybody could vote for AWTD over anything including the sound of cats fornicating (which is what Crow sounds like in TND, BTW).

    Then feel free to remain baffled and prefer the 'crow sounds'...

    You also are free to remain baffled. See how it works?

  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited June 2014 Posts: 17,798
    I like QOS quite a lot, but anyone who thinks it's better than a stone cold pre-21st OTT classic like TND is a senseless Brosnan hating [expletive deleted] [expletive deleted] HATER.
    Get my [expletive deleted] drift?
    :))
  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    PTS: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Title Track: Quantum of Solace
    Title Credits: Quantum of Solace
    Main Villain: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Main Bond Girl: Quantum of Solace
    Overall Plot: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Dialogue: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Score: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Settings: Quantum of Solace
    Action: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Humor: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Cinematography: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Benign Bizarre: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Suspense: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Minor Characters: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Glamour: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Ally: Quantum of Solace

    TND: 12
    QoS: 5

    Clear winner!
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,798
    00Beast wrote:
    Main Bond Girl: Quantum of Solace

    *bangs the head slowly*
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 14,572
    These scores are all over the place. It sure will be interesting to see who ends up the master in this game.
  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    chrisisall wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    Main Bond Girl: Quantum of Solace

    *bangs the head slowly*

    I know Camille isn't that terrific by any means, but Paris and Wai Lin get on my last nerve. I can barely handle either of them- I can at least tolerate Camille!
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,136
    PTS: TND
    Title Track: TND
    Title Credits: TND
    Main Villain: TND
    Main Bond Girl: TND
    Overall Plot: TND
    Dialogue: TND
    Score: TND
    Settings: TND
    Action: TND
    Humour: TND
    Cinematography: TND
    Benign Bizarre: TND
    Suspense: TND
    Minor Characters: TND
    Glamour: TND
    Ally:     QOS



    TND -16
    QOS- 1
  • jobojobo
    Posts: 7,507
    Perilagu_Khan wrote:
    jobo wrote:
    Perilagu_Khan wrote:
    jobo wrote:
    I'm absolutely baffled that so many people prefere the cinematography in TND(??!!). I mean, honestly... have we seen the same films?

    Well I'm equally baffled that anybody could vote for AWTD over anything including the sound of cats fornicating (which is what Crow sounds like in TND, BTW).

    Then feel free to remain baffled and prefer the 'crow sounds'...

    You also are free to remain baffled. See how it works?

    Yes, but I am allowed to express my "baffledness" the same way you are to express yours. Besides, I would argue that (dis)appreciation of music has more to do with subjective taste, while analysation of the quality of cinematography is more of an objective observation...
  • jaydubya76jaydubya76
    edited June 2014 Posts: 53
    ..... PC problems will re-type answers later as canot work out how to delete post.
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    edited June 2014 Posts: 3,236
    jaydubya76 wrote:
    Double post. Is deletion possible?

    I only see one post, so it looks like you're in the clear. Sometimes two posts appear but only one of them goes through. It's odd, but what can you do?
  • jaydubya76jaydubya76
    Posts: 53
    Second attempt:

    PTS: TND
    Title Track: TND (although Surrender is even better!)
    Title Credits: TND
    Main Villain: TND
    Main Bond Girl: TND
    Overall Plot: TND
    Dialogue: TND
    Score: TND (don't think Arnold has ever bettered this, although came close with CR)
    Settings: TND
    Action: TND
    Humour: TND
    Cinematography: TND
    Benign Bizarre: TND (those Chakra torture implements anyone?)
    Suspense: TND
    Minor Characters: TND
    Glamour: TND
    Ally: TND (i'll admit I like Wade - good to see a recurring ally appear played by the same actor).

    *Disclaimer: it has been a while since Ive seen QoS but I do find TND sticks in the memory better. Having said that I've almost finished working my way through the Bond50 boxset so due to watch QoS again soon, so my answers may change.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited June 2014 Posts: 11,189
    TND succeeds more at being a lightweight piece of entertainment than QoS does at being a heavy drama.

    With Bond I feel I should be able to re-watch the film whatever mood I'm in and enjoy it to a degree. In the case of Quantum it feels almost like a bit of a chore at times to get through and I have to be in a certain mood to want to watch it.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
    edited June 2014 Posts: 7,653
    PTS: TND
    Title Track: TND
    Title Credits: TND
    Main Villain: TND
    Main Bond Girl: TND
    Overall Plot: TND
    Dialogue: TND
    Score: TND
    Settings: TND
    Action: TND
    Humour: TND
    Cinematography: TND
    Benign Bizarre: TND
    Suspense: TND
    Minor Characters: TND
    Glamour: TND
    Ally: QOS (I really liked Mathis)



    TND -16
    QOS- 1
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    TND v QOS

    PTS: TND
    Title Track: TND
    Title Credits: TND
    Main Villain: QOS
    Main Bond Girl: QOS
    Overall Plot: QOS
    Dialogue:QOS
    Score: TND
    Settings: QOS
    Action: TND
    Humour: TND
    Cinematography: QOS
    Benign Bizarre: TND
    Suspense: QOS
    Minor Characters: TND
    Glamour: TND
    Ally: QOS

    TND : 9
    QOS : 8     ....That was a close one !!
  • Crazysoul95Crazysoul95
    Posts: 3,336
    PTS: TND
    Title Track: TND
    Title Credits: TND
    Main Villain: TND
    Main Bond Girl: QOS
    Overall Plot: QOS
    Dialogue:QOS
    Score: QOS
    Settings: QOS
    Action: TND
    Humour: TND
    Cinematography: QOS
    Benign Bizarre: TND
    Suspense: QOS
    Minor Characters: TND
    Glamour: QOS
    Ally: QOS

    QOS: 9
    TND: 8
  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
    edited June 2014 Posts: 2,483
    00Beast wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    Main Bond Girl: Quantum of Solace

    *bangs the head slowly*

    I know Camille isn't that terrific by any means, but Paris and Wai Lin get on my last nerve. I can barely handle either of them- I can at least tolerate Camille!

    Camille is quite good. But she's different. Depressed and tragic almost throughout. Paris was poorly acted and Wai Lin was a plain Jane and a Rambette to boot. To my mind, this is no contest in favor of Camille.

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