Live And Let Die vs Tomorrow Never Dies - By the Elements

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  • Posts: 1,596
    My how Bond fandom has changed...
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,798
    My how Bond fandom has changed...
    Connery is a great star and presence. He was first at Bond. He's a very good actor.
    Those that say he IS Bond however, are just a little bit fixated. He, Dalton, and Craig are all very, very good Bonds.
  • edited June 2014 Posts: 1,596
    He IS Bond.

    He, Dalton, Craig, and Moore are all great Bonds, but he IS Bond. I'm allowed an opinion.

    edit: Hell I love Brosnan. For what it's worth, I wasn't making the argument about "who is Bond" necessarily. I was just saying Goldfinger is an iconic film that has been chreished by Bond fans for decades but now Living Daylights is mopping the floor with it. Bond fandom has just changed. I love both films. Just making an observation.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited June 2014 Posts: 17,798
    He IS Bond.
    I'm allowed an opinion.
    Goldfinger is an iconic film that has been cherished by Bond fans for decades but now Living Daylights is mopping the floor with it. Bond fandom has just changed. I love both films. Just making an observation.
    Sorry, didn't mean to sound all dismissive. :)>-
    Yeah, like Shatner IS Kirk to me, I get you. We're cool. B-)
  • Posts: 12,467
    Objectively, I agree that Sean Connery IS James Bond; I love all of the other 5 actors too, but I believe none were as well-balanced as Connery. It is interesting how the times have changed, though, like GF dropping as one of the "worst" classic Bond films and the Dalton films becoming more popular. I've noticed several trends like this over the last year or so.
  • Posts: 1,596
    FoxRox wrote:
    Objectively, I agree that Sean Connery IS James Bond; I love all of the other 5 actors too, but I believe none were as well-balanced as Connery. It is interesting how the times have changed, though, like GF dropping as one of the "worst" classic Bond films and the Dalton films becoming more popular. I've noticed several trends like this over the last year or so.

    Yeah! This is all I really meant to point out. I'm not swayed one way or another, it's just trends popping here or there. I agree TLD is one of the better films.

    @chrisisall - we coo'

  • Posts: 1,405
    PTS: TLD, hands down
    Title Track: The Living Daylights
    Title Credits: The Living Daylights
    Main Villain: Goldfinger, no contest
    Main Bond Girl: The Living Daylights
    Overall Plot: Goldfinger
    Dialogue: The Living Daylights
    Score: The Living Daylights
    Settings: The Living Daylights
    Action: The Living Daylights
    Humor: Goldfinger
    Cinematography: The Living Daylights
    Benign Bizarre: Goldfinger
    Suspense: Goldfinger
    Minor Characters: TLD
    Glamour: The Living Daylights
    Ally: The Living Daylights

    GF: 5
    TLD: 12
  • edited June 2014 Posts: 11,189
    FoxRox wrote:
    Objectively, I agree that Sean Connery IS James Bond; I love all of the other 5 actors too, but I believe none were as well-balanced as Connery. It is interesting how the times have changed, though, like GF dropping as one of the "worst" classic Bond films and the Dalton films becoming more popular. I've noticed several trends like this over the last year or so.

    I think Sean "WAS" Bond in his first few films. After TB I find him distinctly average. Even...dare I say...poor at times in YOLT and DAF (especially the latter).

    That said he has an undeniable star quality that I don't think Tim really had.
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    Hmm,these 2 films are definately not high on my list :

    PTS: TLD
    Title Track: GF
    Title Credits: GF
    Main Villain: GF
    Main Bond Girl: TLD (Dont like either of them.)
    Overall Plot: TLD
    Dialogue: TLD
    Score: GF (Close,but GF is more upbeat .)
    Settings: GF
    Action: GF
    Humor: GF
    Cinematography: TLD
    Benign Bizarre: GF
    Suspense: TLD
    Minor Characters: TLD
    Glamour: TLD
    Ally: TLD (Saunders is a brilliant character,one i genuinely feel sorry for when he dies.)

    GF: 8
    TLD: 9
    ....another close call.
  • Posts: 12,467
    Well it makes since TLD has won a lot more than GF on here since it placed significantly higher on the elimination game.
  • Posts: 1,596
    BAIN123 wrote:
    I think Sean "WAS" Bond in his first few films. After TB I find him distinctly average. Even...dare I say...poor at times in YOLT and DAF (especially the latter).

    That said he has an undeniable star quality that I don't think Tim really had.

    Definitely. He lost a little of that dangerous spark he had in films 1-4 starting with YOLT. There were flashes here and there but he wasn't the Connery of old. When I think of James Bond I think of Sean Connery in those first 4 films, however. Agreed about the star quality as well. When he's on screen all eyes are focused on him. Natural magnetism and charisma that, I believe, is still unmatched to this day.

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    PTS: TLD
    Title Track: GF
    Title Credits: GF
    Main Villain: GF
    Main Bond Girl: GF
    Overall Plot: TLD
    Dialogue: GF
    Score: GF
    Settings: GF
    Action: TLD
    Humor: GF
    Cinematography: TLD
    Benign Bizarre: GF
    Suspense: TLD
    Minor Characters: TLD
    Glamour: GF
    Ally: TLD
  • Any final entries here?
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    PTS: GF
    Title Track: GF
    Title Credits: GF
    Main Villain: GF
    Main Bond Girl: GF
    Overall Plot: GF
    Dialogue: GF
    Score: GF
    Settings: GF
    Action: GF
    Humor: GF
    Cinematography: GF
    Benign Bizarre: GF
    Suspense: GF
    Minor Characters: GF
    Glamour: GF
    Ally: GF

    What was the name of that other movie?
  • Posts: 12,467
    Yay, some love for GF.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited June 2014 Posts: 17,798
    FoxRox wrote:
    Yay, some love for GF.

  • Guess it's judging time...after another back and forth round, Goldfinger ekes out a victory by the margin of 266-258-2! The last vote is what made all the difference here, so if you're considering participating in this next round, remember that your vote counts. Just a note, I counted both of @chrisisall's votes, as it didn't seem right to cancel either one of them. Anyway, our next match is between the movie that followed Goldfinger and the first of Roger Moore's tenure, Thunderball vs. Live and Let Die!


    PTS: TB
    Title Track: LALD
    Title Credits: TB
    Main Villain: TB
    Main Bond Girl: LALD
    Overall Plot: TB
    Dialogue: TB (he got the point)
    Score: TB
    Settings: TB
    Action: LALD
    Humor: Tie (I...guess?)
    Cinematography: LALD (TB forfeits because of the Disco Volante fast-motion crap)
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: LALD (-10 suspense for each underwater sequence in TB)
    Minor Characters: TB
    Glamour: TB
    Ally: LALD

    10-7 for Thunderball. It's a couple spots higher than Live and Let Die on my rankings, and it's also a "less than the sum of its parts" type of film. Well, have at it, MI6-ers!
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    edited June 2014 Posts: 16,351
    PTS: TB
    Title Track: TB
    Title Credits: TB
    Main Villain: LALD
    Main Bond Girl: LALD
    Overall Plot: TB
    Dialogue: TB
    Score: TB
    Settings: TB
    Action: LALD
    Humor: LALD
    Cinematography: LALD
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: LALD
    Minor Characters: LALD
    Glamour: TB
    Ally: LALD

    TB - 8
    LALD - 9
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited June 2014 Posts: 40,968
    @Murdock, you should have 8 for TB. I was worried because our scores were close, yet the total tally wasn't matching up. You missed one in counting.

    PTS: LALD
    Title Track: LALD
    Title Credits: TB
    Main Villain: TB
    Main Bond Girl: LALD
    Overall Plot: TB
    Dialogue: TB
    Score: TB
    Settings: TB
    Action: LALD
    Humor: LALD
    Cinematography: TB
    Benign Bizarre: LALD (Hard to dispute that...)
    Suspense: TB (Shark pools and Bond gets shot!)
    Minor Characters: LALD
    Glamour: TB
    Ally: LALD

    TB - 9
    LALD - 8
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    @Creasy47, fixed. :)
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    PTS: TB
    Title Track: LALD
    Title Credits: TB
    Main Villain: TB
    Main Bond Girl: LALD
    Overall Plot: TB
    Dialogue: TB
    Score: TB
    Settings: TB
    Action: LALD
    Humor: LALD
    Cinematography: TB
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: LALD
    Minor Characters: TB
    Glamour: TB
    Ally: LALD

    TB - 10
    LALD - 7
  • Posts: 7,507
    PTS: TB
    Title Track: LALD (Tough one... Sir Paul takes it.)
    Title Credits: TB
    Main Villain: LALD
    Main Bond Girl: TB
    Overall Plot: TB
    Dialogue: TB
    Score: LALD
    Settings: TB
    Action: LALD
    Humor: TB (TB has the best one liners in the series)
    Cinematography: TB
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: LALD
    Minor Characters: TB
    Glamour: TB
    Ally: LALD


    TB - 10
    LALD - 7
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited June 2014 Posts: 13,355
    PTS: Thunderball
    Title Track: Live And Let Die
    Title Credits: Thunderball
    Main Villain: Thunderball
    Main Bond Girl: Thunderball
    Overall Plot: Thunderball
    Dialogue: Thunderball
    Score: Thunderball
    Settings: Thunderball
    Action: Live And Let Die
    Humor: Live And Let Die
    Cinematography: Thunderball
    Benign Bizarre: Live And Let Die
    Suspense: Thunderball
    Minor Characters: Live And Let Die
    Glamour: Thunderball
    Ally: Live And Let Die
  • Posts: 12,467
    PTS: Thunderball
    Title Track: Live And Let Die
    Title Credits: Thunderball
    Main Villain: Live and Let Die
    Main Bond Girl: Thunderball
    Overall Plot: Live and Let Die
    Dialogue: Thunderball
    Score: Thunderball
    Settings: Live and Let Die
    Action: Live And Let Die
    Humor: Live And Let Die (close one)
    Cinematography: Thunderball
    Benign Bizarre: Live And Let Die
    Suspense: Thunderball
    Minor Characters: Live And Let Die
    Glamour: Thunderball
    Ally: Live And Let Die

    LALD - 9
    TB - 8
    Close one, but LALD is ahead of TB a few spots in my ranking.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,798
    PTS: TB
    Title Track: LALD
    Title Credits: LALD
    Main Villain: LALD
    Main Bond Girl: TB
    Overall Plot: TB
    Dialogue: TB
    Score: TB
    Settings: TB
    Action: TB
    Humor: LALD
    Cinematography: TB
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: LALD
    Minor Characters: TB
    Glamour: TB
    Ally: LALD


    TB - 10
    LALD - 7
  • edited June 2014 Posts: 136
    PTS: TB (Neither is particular brilliant, but LALD's is not great imo)
    Title Track: LALD (best of the series)
    Title Credits: TB
    Main Villain: LALD ( I like Kananga, always thought Largo somewhat boring)
    Main Bond Girl: LALD (Solitaire, yes please!)
    Overall Plot: TB (Such a good plot it was recycled again!)
    Dialogue: LALD (Come on, it has Sheriff JW Pepper haha)
    Score: LALD (Wonderful score)
    Settings: TB (Bond in the Bahamas is always home)
    Action: LALD
    Humor: LALD
    Cinematography: LALD
    Benign Bizarre: LALD (Could go either way, but exploding Kananga takes it)
    Suspense: LALD (TB is very close here, but the backdrop in the ship ruins it)
    Minor Characters: LALD (Some of the greatest in the series imo)
    Glamour: TB
    Ally: LALD (Hedison as Leiter, Quarrel Jr., Sheriff JW Pepper)

    12-5 Live and Let Die
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited June 2014 Posts: 14,572
    TB vs LALD - Hmmm, I enjoy these films fairly equally, but I'd say TB is a tad higher on my list.

    PTS: TB (I like seeing the Aston, the fight with Bouvar, and the jet pack actually flew!)
    Title Track: LALD (love TB, but LALD was epic- and a departure from what came before)
    Title Credits: LALD (fiery skulls and women with afros take the win)
    Main Villain: TB (I love Kotto/Kananga, but Largo has more screen presence, and I enjoy his interactions with Bond- 'do you know anything about guns?' It's quite easy, this skeet-shooting.' 'Yes it is...')
    Main Bond Girl: LALD (tough decision here- Domino is more stunning, but I feel Solitaire has a bit more substance)
    Overall Plot: LALD (the usual bomb ransom plot vs. voodoo, and a drug baron with all black villains was risky, but gave us a unique Bond film)
    Dialogue: TB (once again, Bond and Largo, Bond and Q, Bond and Domino... all great conversations here)
    Score: LALD (the only soundtrack I've really listened to is LALD, but you can hear why it's one of the best)
    Settings: LALD (tough decision, but San Monique was pretty much Nassau anyway, even though it looked more appealing in TB. NY is cool, and Kananga's cavern lair is one of my fave lairs)
    Action: LALD (heaps of chases- car, bus, boat, plane etc.; the Tee Hee fight was cool)
    Humor: LALD (it's Moore, so you get moore gags for your buck)
    Cinematography: LALD (the chase scenes were shot well)
    Benign Bizarre: LALD (Mr. Big lived up to his name, if only momentarily)
    Suspense: TB (lots of suspense in the Junkanoo scene- will the dog pee, or won't he?)
    Minor Characters: TB (Fiona, Pat Fearing, Derval, Lippe, Fiona... although, Tee Hee and Baron Samedi... but Fiona...)
    Glamour: TB (Bond dances with Domino and Fiona, card game with Largo)
    Ally: LALD (Leiter wins just for being genuine)

    TB - 6
    LALD - 11

    That was a surprise. LALD trumps TB nearly two-fold. How does this make Baron Samedi feel?

    http://screenmusings.org/LiveAndLetDie/images/LaLD_823.jpg
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    PTS: Thunderball
    Title Track: Thunderball (both are great)
    Title Credits: Thunderball
    Main Villain: Thunderball
    Main Bond Girl: Thunderball
    Overall Plot: Thunderball
    Dialogue: Thunderball (two of the best in the series!)
    Score: Thunderball
    Settings: Thunderball
    Action: Live and Let Die (just barely)
    Humor: Thunderball
    Cinematography: Thunderball (brilliant and evocative)
    Benign Bizarre: Live and Let Die
    Suspense: Thunderball
    Minor Characters: Live and Let Die (close. very close)
    Glamour: Thunderball
    Ally: Live and Let Die

    13-4. I love LALD, fear not.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    Posts: 5,080
    I have just finished watching LALD, and I love it Moore with every viewing...

    PTS: Thunderball
    Title Track: LALD (my favourite along with AVTAK)
    Title Credits: Tie (both great work by Binder)
    Main Villain: LALD
    Main Bond Girl: LALD
    Overall Plot: Thunderball
    Dialogue: Tie
    Score: Tie (some if the best soundtracks in the franchise)
    Settings: Tie (I love all the locations in both films)
    Action: LALD
    Humor: LALD
    Cinematography: Thunderball
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: Thunderball
    Minor Characters: LALD
    Glamour: Thunderball
    Ally: LALD

    Live and Let Die- 8
    Thunderball- 5
    Tie- 4

    Close, but LALD is higher in my ranking.
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    PTS: TB (duh! LALD has one of the worst PTSes in the series! It's entertaining but good god is it ever awful on an objective level! "Whose funeral?" "Yours." Give me a break!)
    Title Track: TB
    Title Credits: TB
    Main Villain: LALD (I'm a huge Yaphet Kotto fan)
    Main Bond Girl: TB
    Overall Plot: TB
    Dialogue: TB (LALD is a blaxploitation film. That should about tell you all you need to know.)
    Score: TB (Best score in the entire series. LALD never stood a chance.)
    Settings: TB (Nassau. Enough said.)
    Action: LALD (TB's tedious underwater stuff brings it down).
    Humor: LALD (On a cringeworthiness level; I don't find TB very "funny" whereas I uncomfortably laugh at almost everything in LALD.)
    Cinematography: LALD (I agree with @Soundofthesinners here. Good call, chap!)
    Benign Bizarre: LALD (DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Anyone who chooses TB for this is wrong! Just bloody wrong! Voodoo prince! Exploding balloon Yaphet Kotto! Third nipple! Oh wait, wrong Moore film! But it's still a Moore film so this wins by default anyway!)
    Suspense: LALD (-10 suspense for each underwater sequence in TB. I was laughing too hard to come up with my own comment so once again I'm just going to let @Soundofthesinners state my point for me.)
    Minor Characters: TB
    Glamour: TB
    Ally: LALD (Felix vs. Felix. I'm going to give this one to Felix.)

    10-7. Didn't expect it to be THAT close. I'm kinda sort of warming to LALD though? I mean it's a pretty abysmal film, it's aged worse than any other Bond film... and yet I can't bring myself to hate it? However, TB was my first Connery film (and outright one of my first Bond films period) and I've always had a soft spot for it.
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