Live And Let Die vs Tomorrow Never Dies - By the Elements

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  • It was a nailbiter and a back and forth battle, but Casino Royale gets the win by 212-195-1. The early lead was just a bit too much to surmount. Next up we have Live and Let Die meeting up with Tomorrow Never Dies, to see which will live until tomorrow.

    PTS: TND
    Title Track: LALD (talk about a blowout)
    Title Credits: LALD
    Main Villain: TND
    Main Bond Girl: LALD
    Overall Plot: TND
    Dialogue: LALD
    Score: LALD
    Settings: TND
    Action: TND
    Humor: TND
    Cinematography: TND
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: TND (mostly for Dr. Kaufman)
    Minor Characters: TND (Dr. Kaufman edges Baron Samedi and Tee Hee)
    Glamour: TND
    Ally: LALD (though neither is inspired)

    Lots of lopsided matches in this one, but TND gets the victory, 10-7. If all of you would be so kind, and if the mods would kindly edit the title, we can proceed with the round.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    Posts: 5,080
    TND VS LALD

    PTS: LALD
    Title Track: LALD
    Title Credits: LALD
    Main Villain: TND
    Main Bond Girl: LALD
    Overall Plot: LALD
    Dialogue: LALD
    Score: LALD
    Settings: LALD
    Action: LALD
    Humor: LALD
    Cinematography: TND
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: LALD
    Minor Characters: LALD
    Glamour: TND
    Ally: LALD

    14-3 to Live and Let Die
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    PTS: LALD (I find TND's PTS a bit overrated; LALD is very unique on the other hand)
    Title Track: LALD (not even close)
    Title Credits: LALD (not crazy about either, but still prefer LALD's gothic theme)
    Main Villain: LALD (never been a big fan of Elliot Carver; Kananga is solid though)
    Main Bond Girl: LALD (Wai Lin was solid, but I still prefer Solitaire)
    Overall Plot: LALD (wasn't crazy about TND's technology-ridden plot)
    Dialogue: LALD (TND's was pretty weak I think; LALD had some hilarious lines)
    Score: LALD (very catchy and fitting throughout most of the movie)
    Settings: LALD (LALD had a great collection of settings; TND was so-so)
    Action: TND (I felt like LALD didn't have enough action, while TND had too much. Still, have to give TND the point for its great action sequences)
    Humor: LALD (not even close; LALD is the funniest Bond film in the series for me)
    Cinematography: TND (TND gets a new point)
    Benign Bizarre: LALD (come on - do I have to explain this one? LALD could win this category against any other Bond film)
    Suspense: LALD (neither was particularly suspenseful in my opinion, but a couple scenes in LALD take it for me)
    Minor Characters: LALD (loved Baron Samedi and Tee-Hee)
    Glamour: TND (really TND's only blowout point. LALD is one of the series' least glamorous)
    Ally: LALD (neither were great, but I'll go with LALD for Felix and Quarrel, Jr.)

    14-3 Live and Let Die wins in a blowout for me.
  • TND VS LALD

    PTS: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Title Track: Live and Let Die
    Title Credits: Live and Let Die
    Main Villain: tie
    Main Bond Girl: Live and Let Die
    Overall Plot: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Dialogue: Live and Let Die
    Score: Live and Let Die
    Settings: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Action: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Humor: Live and Let Die
    Cinematography: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Benign Bizarre: Live and Let Die
    Suspense: Live and Let Die
    Minor Characters: Live and Let Die
    Glamour: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Ally: Live and Let Die

    10-6-1 in favor of LALD
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    Posts: 7,314
    PTS: TND (It does have the benefit of having Bond in it.)
    Title Track: LALD
    Title Credits: TND (It looked pretty cool at the time.)
    Main Villain: LALD (Kotto provides one of the more underrated performances.)
    Main Bond Girl: LALD (My favorite so no contest here.)
    Overall Plot: LALD
    Dialogue: LALD
    Score: LALD
    Settings: LALD (Seeing Bond in New York is a treat.)
    Action: TND (Although the finale is terrible.)
    Humor: LALD (This shouldn't even be a question.)
    Cinematography: TND
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: LALD (It has it's moments.)
    Minor Characters: LALD (One of the best casts of villains in the history of the series.)
    Glamour: TND (Carver's party was pretty chic.)
    Ally: LALD (Felix beats Wade any day of the week for me.)

    LALD 12 TND 5
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,801
    PTS: TND
    Title Track: LALD
    Title Credits: LALD
    Main Villain: LALD
    Main Bond Girl: TND
    Overall Plot: TND
    Dialogue: LALD
    Score: LALD
    Settings: TND
    Action: TND
    Humor: LALD
    Cinematography: TND
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: TND
    Minor Characters: TND
    Glamour: TND
    Ally: LALD
    9 to 8 for TND
  • Posts: 1,181
    TND VS LALD

    PTS: TND
    Title Track: LALD
    Title Credits: LALD
    Main Villain: TND
    Main Bond Girl: LALD
    Overall Plot: TND
    Dialogue: TND
    Score: LALD
    Settings: LALD
    Action: TND
    Humor: LALD
    Cinematography: TND
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: TND
    Minor Characters: TND
    Glamour: TND
    Ally: LALD

    9-8 to Tomorrow Never Dies
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,138
    Live And Let Die vs Tomorrow Never Dies

    PTS: TND
    Title Track: LALD
    Title Credits: LALD
    Main Villain: LALD
    Main Bond Girl: LALD
    Overall Plot: LALD
    Dialogue: LALD
    Score: LALD
    Settings: LALD
    Action: LALD
    Humor: LALD
    Cinematography: LALD
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: LALD
    Minor Characters: LALD
    Glamour: LALD
    Ally: LALD

    LALD 16
    TND 1

    I actually like TND, but in this match up it doesn't get a foot in I'm afraid.


  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
    Posts: 3,369
    TND VS LALD

    PTS: LALD
    Title Track: LALD
    Title Credits: LALD
    Main Villain: LALD
    Main Bond Girl: LALD
    Overall Plot: LALD
    Dialogue: LALD
    Score: LALD
    Settings: LALD
    Action: LALD
    Humor: LALD
    Cinematography: LALD
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: LALD
    Minor Characters: LALD
    Glamour: LALD
    Ally: LALD

    17-0 clean sweep for LALD. I don't think TND is bad by any means. It's a nice standard Bond entry to the series, but LALD has it all and has quietly climbed my personal ranking.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited October 2014 Posts: 14,584
    I love TND, but LALD is more consistent, an underated Bond film IMO.

    PTS: TND (one of the best, period- "where do you want the bombs?" B-) )
    Title Track: LALD (Wings without earmuffs)
    Title Credits: LALD (voodoo women, skulls on fire- one of the best TCs)
    Main Villain: LALD (either Kananga is underated as a villain, or I just have an inflated opinion of him)
    Main Bond Girl: LALD (yes, Yeoh is awesome, but we're talking about the incredible Jane Seymour here)
    Overall Plot: LALD (Bond said it himself- "quite ingenious")
    Dialogue: LALD (..and I'll kill you if you don't- make your choice./wrap it length-wise)
    Score: LALD (TND has it's moments (PTS, Surrender, the one with the sax where Bond goes to Carver's party)- but LALD is lej from end to end)
    Settings: LALD (I like fictional San Monique and Kananga's lair- it sure beats the hell out of Harlem)
    Action: TND (PTS, bike chase over the chopper, HALO jump, carpark antics- REDUCE SPEED NOW)
    Humor: LALD (You got a set o wheels that just won't quit, boy. Spin around, boy. Ten fingers on the fenduh, boy)
    Cinematography: TND (delicious)
    Benign Bizarre: LALD (love the voodoo supernatural themes, a unique entry in the series)
    Suspense: TND ("Herr Kaufmann, I have a clear shot at your head"- James Bond)
    Minor Characters: LALD (Kaufmann is great, but I really like Baron Samedi and Tee Hee Hee)
    Glamour: TND (Carver's party, Bond in Paris)
    Ally: LALD (Jack Wade has great dress sense, but I like how a genuine Felix says Nelson David 'Joyj')

    TND: 5
    LALD: 12

    Die kills Dies.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    TND VS LALD

    PTS: LALD
    Title Track: LALD
    Title Credits: TND
    Main Villain: LALD
    Main Bond Girl: LALD
    Overall Plot: LALD
    Dialogue: LALD
    Score: LALD
    Settings: LALD
    Action: LALD
    Humor: LALD
    Cinematography: LALD
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: LALD
    Minor Characters: LALD
    Glamour: LALD
    Ally: LALD

    16-1, LIVE AND LET DIE
    I'm doing this to make a statement and to crap on TND, this is my legitimate result.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,801
    I'll let my evil twin Llasisirhc rate them:

    PTS: LALD
    Title Track: LALD
    Title Credits: LALD
    Main Villain: LALD
    Main Bond Girl: LALD
    Overall Plot: LALD
    Dialogue: LALD
    Score: LALD
    Settings: LALD
    Action: LALD
    Humor: LALD
    Cinematography: LALD
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: LALD
    Minor Characters: LALD
    Glamour: LALD
    Ally: LALD

    17 to 0 for LALD... hmmm, I think he's biased.
    I'm not biased, I just hate that skinny male model punk Bond-wannabe Brosnan that you seem to love so much, you pussy.
    That's it, back to the Phantom Zone for you. Just because you're my evil twin that doesn't give you the right to speak to me like that...
  • edited October 2014 Posts: 6,844
    PTS: TND
    Title Track: LALD
    Title Credits: TND
    Main Villain: LALD
    Main Bond Girl: LALD
    Overall Plot: TND
    Dialogue: TND
    Score: TND
    Settings: TND
    Action: TND
    Humor: TND
    Cinematography: TND
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: TND
    Minor Characters: TND
    Glamour: TND
    Ally: LALD (always enjoyed Hedison as Felix)

    12-5, Tomorrow Never Dies

    Edit: I'm kind of amazed just how many people prefer the PTS of L&LD to that of TND. Taste is subjective, I know that, but this one's a bit of a head-scratcher for me.
  • @Some_Kind_Of_Hero, I must say I agree. TND has gotten beaten senseless in two of its three matches so far. I've done QoS a lot, but I want to compare it to YOLT and LALD, since they both pasted TND and TND got past QoS.
  • PTS: TND
    Title Track: LALD
    Title Credits: LALD
    Main Villain: LALD
    Main Bond Girl: LALD
    Overall Plot: LALD
    Dialogue: TND
    Score: TND
    Settings: LALD
    Action: TND
    Humor: LALD
    Cinematography: LALD
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: LALD
    Minor Characters: LALD
    Glamour: TND
    Ally: LALD

    12-5/ Live And Let Die
  • PTS: TND (LALD's is possibly one of the worst)
    Title Track: LALD (No contest)
    Title Credits: TND
    Main Villain: LALD
    Main Bond Girl: LALD (Solitaire is just gorgeous)
    Overall Plot: TND
    Dialogue: TND
    Score: LALD
    Settings: LALD
    Action: LALD
    Humor: LALD
    Cinematography: LALD
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: TND
    Minor Characters: LALD
    Glamour: TND
    Ally: LALD

    Live and Let Die 11-6
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    @Some_Kind_Of_Hero, I must say I agree. TND has gotten beaten senseless in two of its three matches so far. I've done QoS a lot, but I want to compare it to YOLT and LALD, since they both pasted TND and TND got past QoS.

    Oh, please do! I will beat it senseless again, I think.
  • @Some_Kind_Of_Hero, I must say I agree. TND has gotten beaten senseless in two of its three matches so far. I've done QoS a lot, but I want to compare it to YOLT and LALD, since they both pasted TND and TND got past QoS.

    Oh, please do! I will beat it senseless again, I think.

    You've already handled TND for this round. Do you intend to do the same to QoS?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Maybe. Probably. Well, probably not. Maybe. Wait and find out.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    edited October 2014 Posts: 16,351
    PTS: TND
    Title Track: LALD
    Title Credits: LALD
    Main Villain: LALD
    Main Bond Girl: LALD
    Overall Plot: LALD
    Dialogue: TND
    Score: TND
    Settings: TND
    Action: TND
    Humor: TND
    Cinematography: LALD
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: LALD
    Minor Characters: LALD
    Glamour: TND
    Ally: LALD

    TND- 7 LALD-10
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Live and let Tomorrow die.
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
    Posts: 2,629
    PTS: TND (No rubber snakes in TND)
    Title Track: LALD (Duh)
    Title Credits: LALD (Again, Duh)
    Main Villain: LALD (Because an Island dictator posing as an American gangsta is a more believable main villian)
    Main Bond Girl: LALD (Duh V3.0)
    Overall Plot: LALD (Distributing free crack was never about ratings)
    Dialogue: TND (Less outdated)
    Score: LALD (Best used during the Bayou Boat Chase)
    Settings: TND (Frankfurt, Vietnam and China actually exist)
    Action: TND (The best part of TND)
    Humor: TND (Again, not outdated)
    Cinematography: LALD (Still holds up pretty good for an early 70s film)
    Benign Bizarre: LALD (Um, Duh! once again)
    Suspense: LALD (There were doubts about Bond keeping his vital organs)
    Minor Characters: LALD (Kananga had quite the rogue's gallery)
    Glamour: TND (I imagine a Frankfurt brothel would be more glamorous than Harlem or Bourbon Street)
    Ally: LALD (Hedison's worst performance far > than Baker's worst performance)

    LALD wins 11-6
  • Posts: 12,526
    Great to see my own personal favourite LALD doing so well! :-bd
  • Shall we get our final entries in before we move on?
  • Posts: 1,146
    I'll take the first 2/3 of TND any day of the week.
  • I'll take the first 2/3 of TND any day of the week.

    That's good, but your vote won't count if there are no scores connected.
  • Posts: 1,181
    Can we have another round or is this one finished?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited January 2015 Posts: 23,883
    PTS: TND (one of the most ambitious and well executed)
    Title Track: LALD (one of the best IMO)
    Title Credits: TND
    Main Villain: LALD (Kananga/Bigg is a work of art)
    Main Bond Girl: LALD (not even close)
    Overall Plot: TND (inventive if poorly executed)
    Dialogue: LALD
    Score: LALD (absolutely superb work by George Martin)
    Settings: LALD
    Action: TND
    Humor: LALD (what can I say, Roger Moore is the man when it comes to this)
    Cinematography: LALD
    *Benign Bizarre: LALD (lots of crazies)
    Suspense: LALD (crocs in particular & Bond about to get his pinky cut off)
    Minor Characters: LALD (very eccentric - i.e. JW, Billy Bob etc.)

    LALD - 11
    TND - 4
  • DrShatterhandDrShatterhand Garden of Death, near Belfast
    Posts: 805
    PTS: TND
    Title Track: LALD
    Title Credits: LALD
    Main Villain: LALD
    Main Bond Girl: LALD
    Overall Plot: TND
    Dialogue: TND
    Score: TND
    Settings: TND
    Action: TND
    Humor: TND
    Cinematography: TND
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: LALD
    Minor Characters: LALD
    Glamour: TND
    Ally: TND

    TND- 10 LALD-7

  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    What happened to this thread? Who won?
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