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And before that, had just committed mass murder of all his enemies (namely the neo-Nazi gang: after all, neo-Nazis are the new evil and beyond redemption or understanding) as if he were Jehovah from the Old Testament. Him saving Jesse is just Walt flaunting his supreme power (imagining he has full control over life and death in others, like Harold Shipman) rather than any profound forgiveness.
All I see is a reprehensible excuse for a human being (ablate more honest and self-aware than before) playing God. Walter White or Heisenberg, it's all the same.
That's fairly similar to my rankings. I think season 8 redeems itself in the second half.
Season 6 was good for the first couple of episodes but soon lost its way. I do like the final scene with Audrey though.
Sorry yeah, I typed that wrong. 8 before 7, since 8's sort of the one season that isn't excellent and isn't terrible. But it did have an excellent second half, and at least they knew how to make a finale unlike the incompetent morons behind Dexter.
Walter White starts off as a hero forced to do bad things to provide for his family. But he gets better at it, he starts to enjoy it (I think him blowing up Tuco's office was the beginning of this) becoming more of an anti hero (him killing those two drug dealers to save Jesse), and eventually he morphs into a full on villain (poisoning Brock, killing Gus by blowing up the old peoples home).
By this point you're not meant to relate to him or root for him any more because he's turned into an evil psychopath. Even then though there are other main characters you can relate to.
They were Nazis. They'd killed plenty of people before including Hank, Walt's brother in law. One of them shot a kid at point blank range. They took Walt's money. They killed Jesse's girlfriend, orphaning a child. And they tortured Jesse (who Walt did care about despite everything), and kept him as a slave to cook meth for them.
So yeah, they were evil bastards that got what was coming to them. And so was Walt. The difference is that by the end, Walt knew that what he'd done was wrong and he was trying to make right what he could. He knew that he deserved to die and even gave Jesse the chance to kill him.
Heisenberg I think was almost like a split personality from Walt. It was his dark side, the side of him that was pissed off because he thought the life he was living before was beneath him, the side of him that thought he deserved an empire and lots of money like he should've gotten when he started Gray Matter.
This bit I think is when Heisenberg died and Walter White came back. When he finally realised what a bastard he'd been and decided that he had to try to make things right before he got what was coming to him.
But even if you see Walt that way, it doesn't make the show bad or overrated.
Regardless, they should have been tried and sentenced by law-- not killed by a vigilante. Like Gandhi once said: 'an eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind.'
Well, it's technically competent, atmospheric and shows an understanding of genre conventions, but morally it's more bankrupt than the Greek economy. That's why I hate it. Just like I hate the films of Lars Von Trier, Quentin Tarantino and Nicolas Winding Refn. I hate what they've done to audiences.
Third, taking Sopranos as a gangster glorification is totally misleading. Sopranos is not about cosa nostra or mafia. It's about a middle age man and how he deals with the problems at home (cheating his wife, raising his kids, trying to provide them a better future), at work (envy, insubordination, conflicts), and with society. The thing is that his work happens to be in organized crime. But even if it wasn't, he still had issues with his mother, and the need to speak with someone in order to fight depression. It's about a man who at the begining only sees a "big nothing" until he finally gets it: "you'll remember the little moments like this... that were good".
At the end, even if Tony tries to be happy, he knows that, because of the nature of his work, the choices he has made, he will end on prison or death, "You probably don't even heard it when it happens".
I've never seen on movies or in another TV series a more impressive confrontation between couples as in Carmela and Tony's separation ("Whitecaps"), or a more shocking and painful to watch sexual assault as in "Employee of the month" (and yet, Dr. Melfi refuses to take revenge, how could it be a mafia glorification when the character says the opposite of what the audience was anxiously asking?).
Not everyone has to agree that it is the best TV show of all time, but it's hard to justify how a masterpiece like this one could be judge on the grounds that is mafia glorification. It is not. Watch "The Army of One".
It is about a man who asks himself "Who am I? Where am I going?" It's about hypocrisy and loyalty, greed and generosity, betrayal and friendship, hate and love. It's about everything that makes us humans.
The best seasons were the first and the fourth. (Drug War and Public Schools)
The second season was not as gritty as the first but decent.
The Third Season was the let down. I kept wondering where they were going here. I guess they were putting pieces in place for the superb Fourth Season.
Fifth Season was so so.
I don't think the show was overrated. It is worth a watch. But I warn you the third season is rather weak.
I loved the new Battlestar Galectica. I thought they could have drug out the New Caprica sequences longer but I have no real complaints about the show. I don't think it was ever overrated, but thats just my honest opinion.
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=D> I couldn't have said it any better myself. Goodfellas focuses much more on glorifying mob life itself, rather than the mobster's life "outside of the life". And mob guys are notoriously quiet about their personal lives, you rarely hear about this level of detail in the books because they don't discuss that dynamic, and that isn't part of their deals with the government. The Sopranos is about telling the personal stories of a group of men and those around them, where their profession is a backdrop rather than the focus.
But that's boring. Imagine if in LTK Bond had just turned himself in and given the DEA info about Sanchez rather than blowing up his base, chasing him down in a tanker and burning him alive. It would've been a boring finale but Sanchez should have been tried and sentenced by law, not killed by a rogue MI6 agent.
The Wire is so not overrated, it is the opposite. It deserved every praise it got, but never had the fame it deserved. It is perfectly written and perfectly cast and unlike so many dramas it refuses to go easy on the audience.
Well said.
You can add The Simpsons to that. Used to be brilliant but has been on the downslide since around season 10. And considering we're now on season 25/26 you can see just how crap it is now.
Agreed. I heard that there's going to be a crossover show between the two. But I haven't watched either in years.
A 'crossover' show is usually another term for 'desperation'.
The Simpsons used to be absolutely brilliant, maybe the greatest cartoon ever. That was I would say the first seven season or so, but even at the seventh seasons things started getting repetitive. Then they were a few episodes of the next seasons that were funny, until it became a caricature of a caricature. It is now overrated because it still runs on the reputation it deservedly gained in the early seasons.
And maybe it is because I loathe it, but I always thought Sex and the City was so dumb and shallow and did not deserve any praise it received.
DogGone it.
I had stopped watching Breaking Bad and was considering returning to it.I just want to thank you for the spoilers. Now I don't have to go back and finish watching it. Jeez!
Last time I checked, Bond wasn't a meth kingpin selfishly trying to help his family (at the expense of other families).
Apples and oranges.
Also: The Wire is overrated, while The Shield and Deadwood are underrated.
I do think the current episodes are still better than any of the Family Guy shows. FG and pretty much all MacFarlane material is overrated IMO. Sex and/or fart jokes with random asides and little to no plot - just not my thing.
Not to mention Saturday Night Live style political commentary now plaguing it.
How so? Most of the success it had was a critical success, but not merely from TV critics: academics of various fields (they use the series for sociology classes), actors, police forces, Baltimore citizens, heck, so many people from various professions consider it a brilliant drama. I am not making an argument at popularity here, I am saying the praise The Wire received was from a wide variety of sources, all credible in their own respective field, which at least speaks of its relevance as a work of fiction. That said, it was not a hugely popular show, it had its fanbase but that's it, so hardly overrated.
No he's a goverment assassin selfishly fulfilling his own desire for revenge (at the expense of Sharky, those Chinese agents, etc)*. But that's not my point. My point was that it's always satisfying watching the hero get the bad guy.
*I'm not slagging off LTK, it's actually my favourite.