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Fact is, you don't mention DC in EVERY of your negative posts, no, but your posts remain "unpleased" towards EVERY aspect of the last three films and THIS is, what I call "hatred". Nothing is ever so bad, that you won't find something nice. IF you wanted to be fair.
As for Daltion and me, I rarely go there, BECAUSE I know, I have probably not much positive to say, but I am NOT hating on every aspect of his films, which I saw - in the theater.
But after thinking this through, I might even stop commenting on his thread all together. Its true, if you have nothing nice to say, better be quiet.
I'm not sure that is true. This forum would be a pretty boring place if it was a constant stream of hand shandies. As for @MajorDSmythe, I don't recall him ever approaching 'hatred', perhaps he does hate this era, but he's certainly not volatile and he's entitled to dislike it. There are only two groups of fans I've seen get genuinely angry re. the actors. One group are a faction of DC fans who blow a fuse when anything negative is said re. his tenure and the other group are those who absolutely loathe Brosnan. Some sit neatly in both categories.
I promised "fill in smiley with plaster on its mouth"
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Couldn't agree more.
I'm ashamed of that now. I realize I prejudged him. Emotionally (I was younger then), as I saw him as a usurper (as @Ludovico said).
I look back on his Bond films with real respect and appreciation. He's grown on me....aged well like fine wine. No doubt Craig helped me to see Dalton in a new light, but the outlandish last few from Brosnan also helped in that regard.
I am 100% in agreement about the comical elements though. They were not his strong suit, although I still enjoy those bits now (the bar fight in LTK is just horrendously written, as are some of the bits with Q and with Bouvier).
That sums up Dalton for me, those moments really don't do any favours for LTK, it hasn't dated well, yes he has some superb moments but consistency has always been his problem even though it's better in TLD it's still not brilliant.
This is why Craig has been more of success with fans and also the general public, a confidence from the bat in all areas.
Dalton as Bond at his best is up there with the best I've ever seen from Connery, Moore & Craig when he's on his game. Absolutely sublime...
Martin Campbell directing Dalton would have got us the box office killer he never had.
Brosnan was a good actor, proven actor, who was given crappy scripts and bad directors.
Brosnan was/is a good but limited actor. He can be carried by a good script, but he cannot carry a poor one. All the same, no other Bond actor got it so easily when cast: the public had had enough of Dalton and thought Brosnan was Moore's rightful heir, they thought he had the perfect look, he had been building his whole pre-Bond career on the role he'd always wanted, he never faced the hostility Craig had to face from day one. That's what I call a great hand. GE was condemned to be a success. Once he had the role, Brosnan never had to earn it, the way Craig had to (and did), or Dalton had to, but failed, at least for the public of the time.
I fully agree. There is no doubt about this in my mind.
Dalton had to live with being '2nd best' by everyone, including me, I'm ashamed to say.
Brosnan had it all to lose, and that may have been the very problem. The expectations may have been too high for him to live up to, although he definitely tried.
I agree wtih @Ludivico's point that he is a good but limited actor who can carry a good script but not a poor one.. He was given poor scripts, but did not transcend them. Other Bond actors have transcended their poor scripts imho.
"Craig on the other hand, has exceeded my expectations. He's not perfect by any means,
Not even close..Must not have high expectations.
" but he is very good at making his Bond believable, real & dangerous......for me"
This is the critical point I was making earlier. Craig is credible to me, but not perfect. That is paramount for a Bond actor, I think.......credibility & believability.
The closest to perfection I have seen in Bond is Sean Connery in his first two, and fourth.
What is also certain in my mind is that Brosnan did not have the aura he once had when he left the role. People may have thought he could do more but he did not have the entitlement to the role anymore.
The ghost (or aura if you will) of Brosnan haunted Dalton during his tenure. It was a strawman though, because no one knew what the portrayal would be like.
That is the power of the public for you, and I count myself one of them. Rather than taking out our frustration (on having our wishes & desires ignored) on NBC (for ordering those last few episodes of Remington Steele), we instead projected our grievances on Dalton.
From my perspective at least, this is very true.
He looked great in GE (as did the film) - exactly how I expected him to look, but something was off for me which I couldn't quite put my finger on....I put it down to nerves.
From my point of view it was somewhere in TND where the wheels fell off (not sure where) but by the end of my first viewing in the theatre, the aura was gone. TWINE sealed it.
Brosnan played a Soviet illegal in "The Fourth Protocol", was great in it.. Dalton failure was due to many factors including an awful LTK, Bond Fatigue, and growing box office irrelevancy of the Bond Series (to the point where EON is 'stealing' from Chris Nolan's Batman) . Brosnan failure was due to garbage such as Tomorrow Never Dies, TWINE, and of course Die Another Day.
Craig got the advantage in coming after DAD, eventhough all of his movies are a heap of PC mediocrity.
IIRC, the third Dalton Bond was already planned. If the rumors were to be believed, Bond was supposed to have done battle with fembots. That would have officially killed the series.
T2 influence most likely (EON tends to follow the trend).
I have never heard this rumor actually. Omg if that happened good bye James Bond. No coming back from that imo.
Maybe it was a good thing we never got Daltons 3rd movie
https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond_17_intro.php3
Cause imo Brosnan was always getting the role eventually no matter what. I just can't think of Bond series not having Brosnan in the role at some point.
Knowing Cubby, he would have pulled out all the stops to make Dalton's 3rd a seriously successful film (as he had done with Moore's TSWLM before - when they were in a similar jam post-TMWTGG).
Therefore, If B17 with Dalton had knocked it out of the park financially (a big if), Brosnan would not have got his shot.
Too many unknowns though.
As for what would have happened after Dalton's third film, I think he would have made one more and then left. I can't see Dalton sticking around any more than he would need to. 4 and out would be my guess.