It Seems There Are More QoS Appreciators Than Thought Before

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  • Posts: 19,339
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    I love that scene,you can see the self-control in Bond as he fights to control the urge to kill Yusef.

    The inner battle,and Yusef can see it as well.

    Plus it was a great twist for M, who was annoyed at Bond "killing every lead!"!
    Whatever you think of QOS before that, you have to admit that's a great final scene with Yusef. Craig looks great in that sequence too.

    It is..i was surprised as well when it happened at the cinema.
    I thought once Camille was gone then that was it,but then suddenly Bond is in Russia with Yusef,Canadian Intelligence,M, and 2 British agents.

    A great ending to the film.
    Which is why I was annoyed when SF didn't use the gunbarrel,it would have opened up brilliantly into the spyhole in the door as well,perfect opportunity.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Did you guys think he was going to shoot Yusef in the apartment building and say "you and I had a mutual love interest"?
    Nope. No one would've taken that seriously. It sounds like it's straight out of a high school musical drama.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    It wasn't a moment for witty remarks.
  • Posts: 19,339
    Definitely not.
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
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    Love that scene exactly like it is
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    The scene played out exactly as it should have. That boiling desire for revenge wouldn't have hit its mark had Bond killed Yusef. He knew the man was just a means to an end and wasn't the mastermind of the plot that got Vesper there in the first place. He said what he had to say and the scene concluded the only way it could have. Bond's quarrel is with Blofeld. Not Yusef.
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
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    Due to this thread I just re-warched QoS again and Camille remains one of my favourite Bondgirls. And it is so highly rewatchable - never bores me.
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    SeanCraig wrote: »
    Due to this thread I just re-warched QoS again and Camille remains one of my favourite Bondgirls. And it is so highly rewatchable - never bores me.

    Nice one !
    Make sure you record it on the Bond Movie Meter !

  • Mathis1 wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    I love that scene,you can see the self-control in Bond as he fights to control the urge to kill Yusef.

    The inner battle,and Yusef can see it as well.

    Plus it was a great twist for M, who was annoyed at Bond "killing every lead!"!
    Whatever you think of QOS before that, you have to admit that's a great final scene with Yusef. Craig looks great in that sequence too.

    True, true, and true!

    The inner turmoil of Bond shows clearly and really shows Craig's acting talent. Similarly, the room was very retro but was well-kept together as Bond's piercing blue eyes were brought out as described by the set designer, Dennis Gassner. Talk about dynamic symmetry in which the character and his environment are screaming on the inside but are holding themselves together for their purposes.
  • edited March 2019 Posts: 1,282
    SeanCraig wrote: »
    Due to this thread I just re-warched QoS again and Camille remains one of my favourite Bondgirls. And it is so highly rewatchable - never bores me.

    @SeanCraig

    TRUE, THAT!


    Doesn't it outrage you that the loose ends or characters like Camille haven't been followed up upon?
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    SeanCraig wrote: »
    Due to this thread I just re-warched QoS again and Camille remains one of my favourite Bondgirls. And it is so highly rewatchable - never bores me.

    @SeanCraig

    TRUE, THAT!


    Doesn't it outrage you that the loose ends or characters like Camille haven't been followed up upon?

    Camille's arc was pretty much wrapped up. Would have preferred to see Quantum again rather than Spectre though.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    SeanCraig wrote: »
    Due to this thread I just re-warched QoS again and Camille remains one of my favourite Bondgirls. And it is so highly rewatchable - never bores me.

    @SeanCraig

    TRUE, THAT!


    Doesn't it outrage you that the loose ends or characters like Camille haven't been followed up upon?

    Not for me. QOS is, to ME, the best Bond of the 21st Century. Still.
  • Posts: 572
    What I like about the film is that it is sophisticated, sleek (so many beautiful shots), and it leaves out the forced formulaic bloat that seems to plague many of the films (especially the Mendes films). To me, it contains the edginess and subtlety from CR that was lost with the following films.

    Highlights for me:
    Tosca scene (I love how it very artsy while being extremely Bondian at the same time.)
    Opening scene (I traveled to the Lake Garda region just because of these scenes!)
    Slate fight (So raw but so good.)
    Yusef scene (For all the reasons people have mentioned here.)
    Leiter escape scene (Can we say badass?)
    Green Planet scene (Its these kind of scenes (typically casino scenes) that give villains that give their credibility.)
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    JamesStock wrote: »
    What I like about the film is that it is sophisticated, sleek (so many beautiful shots), and it leaves out the forced formulaic bloat that seems to plague many of the films (especially the Mendes films). To me, it contains the edginess and subtlety from CR that was lost with the following films.

    Highlights for me:
    Tosca scene (I love how it very artsy while being extremely Bondian at the same time.)
    Opening scene (I traveled to the Lake Garda region just because of these scenes!)
    Slate fight (So raw but so good.)
    Yusef scene (For all the reasons people have mentioned here.)
    Leiter escape scene (Can we say badass?)
    Green Planet scene (Its these kind of scenes (typically casino scenes) that give villains that give their credibility.)

    I concur!
  • The Green Planet scene really demonstrated that this villain wasn't just some guy who was full of himself. He didn't have any Bond-forumlaic-scars or third nipples. Hell, he didn't even have a mole to make him look different. He was using the very idea of philanthropic/environmentalism issues to advance his power hold.

    Water is more precious than oil. That scene with Strawberry being covered in oil was beyond a tribute to GF, it was a clear message than oil has been treated like gold but the idea of monopolizing water is a credible issue.

    Especially, when companies like Nestle say that access to clean drinking water is not a human right.

    And the way Greene called Bond and Camille "damaged goods", was probably the biggest slap in the face to him any villain has given him with words alone. More than the arrogance of Silva and Blofeld saying their dialogues.

    The way Strawberry tripped Elvis and made it seem subtle without causing the whole party to pay attention...Bond and Camille were in what must have felt like what could have been the lowest points in their lives, but they didn't allow for it to take them down. They are survivors.

  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    The Green Planet scene really demonstrated that this villain wasn't just some guy who was full of himself. He didn't have any Bond-forumlaic-scars or third nipples. Hell, he didn't even have a mole to make him look different. He was using the very idea of philanthropic/environmentalism issues to advance his power hold.

    Water is more precious than oil. That scene with Strawberry being covered in oil was beyond a tribute to GF, it was a clear message than oil has been treated like gold but the idea of monopolizing water is a credible issue.

    Especially, when companies like Nestle say that access to clean drinking water is not a human right.

    And the way Greene called Bond and Camille "damaged goods", was probably the biggest slap in the face to him any villain has given him with words alone. More than the arrogance of Silva and Blofeld saying their dialogues.

    The way Strawberry tripped Elvis and made it seem subtle without causing the whole party to pay attention...Bond and Camille were in what must have felt like what could have been the lowest points in their lives, but they didn't allow for it to take them down. They are survivors.

    Yes, I agree all the way here.
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
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    The Green Planet scene really demonstrated that this villain wasn't just some guy who was full of himself.

    He might be full of himself. Given his philanthropic work is just a cover, it makes sense that Camille's version of the logging rights is true (one could argue she's making it up because she's drunk or appears to be).
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    It’s a film that gets better with time. And gets more true to reality, governments controlling water and what not. Fake people trying to rally others behind a cause while actually having nefarious goals with shady government deals and coups.

    Immediately Venezuela comes to mind...
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
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    Many great thoughs here! I also think Greene is a great villain - I find his cover with Greene Planet very believeable plus I like the plot. No, it‘s not as exotic like an underwater atlantis or hijacking two atomic bombs but it is - to me - totally believeable and it fits the movie and Craig‘s world of 007.

    Camille is - like mentioned before - one of my favourite Bondgirls ... also because of her last scene with Bond. I would love to see her back - as an ally in a PTS or smaller role like Felix had in QoS. She was a great character plus Olga is so beautiful. But B25 will be the last chance and I doubt it will happen. Same with Felix ... it‘s a shame if he is not part of B25 but I fear he isn‘t.

    The Tosca scene is a classic, imho but the Greene Planet party is a close contender to me. I love the photography, music and those scenes between Fields, Camille, Greene and Bond. Like many scenes in QoS it could have played a minor bit longer (more bits of Mathis and Leiter) - but love it.

    The way Bond assures M of his loyalty is another short, yet strong scene. She was in doubt but no longer from there on. Cool.

    The finale with Yusef ... everything has been said already about it. It‘s perfect.

    I am happy to see many more fans seem to appreciate this movie more and more like I do, too. I liked it right away but the crazy editing made me angry back then - today I can take that aside and it does not distract me that much anymore. Still we lost too many great shots of those awesome locations due to it.

    Marc Forster and Daniel Craig did a master‘s job with the movie give then circumstances. Look at what way more budget and available writers came up with in the form of SP! QoS has some flaws, yes - but it ranks high for me for everything it did right and that‘s a lot.
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    SeanCraig wrote: »
    Many great thoughs here! I also think Greene is a great villain - I find his cover with Greene Planet very believeable plus I like the plot. No, it‘s not as exotic like an underwater atlantis or hijacking two atomic bombs but it is - to me - totally believeable and it fits the movie and Craig‘s world of 007.

    Camille is - like mentioned before - one of my favourite Bondgirls ... also because of her last scene with Bond. I would love to see her back - as an ally in a PTS or smaller role like Felix had in QoS. She was a great character plus Olga is so beautiful. But B25 will be the last chance and I doubt it will happen. Same with Felix ... it‘s a shame if he is not part of B25 but I fear he isn‘t.

    The Tosca scene is a classic, imho but the Greene Planet party is a close contender to me. I love the photography, music and those scenes between Fields, Camille, Greene and Bond. Like many scenes in QoS it could have played a minor bit longer (more bits of Mathis and Leiter) - but love it.

    The way Bond assures M of his loyalty is another short, yet strong scene. She was in doubt but no longer from there on. Cool.

    The finale with Yusef ... everything has been said already about it. It‘s perfect.

    I am happy to see many more fans seem to appreciate this movie more and more like I do, too. I liked it right away but the crazy editing made me angry back then - today I can take that aside and it does not distract me that much anymore. Still we lost too many great shots of those awesome locations due to it.

    Marc Forster and Daniel Craig did a master‘s job with the movie give then circumstances. Look at what way more budget and available writers came up with in the form of SP! QoS has some flaws, yes - but it ranks high for me for everything it did right and that‘s a lot.

    Outstanding post.
  • edited March 2019 Posts: 19,339
    I put Greene on a par with Le Chiffre as the best Craig era villains,easily.
    Such an underrated villain.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    I put Greene on a par with Le Chiffre as the best Craig era villains,easily.
    Such an underrated villain.
    That’s right, Bazza. Don’t get why people hate on Greene. He was outstanding. Menacing and a charming villain who didn’t act like a clown, and often undertook his tasks by himself.
  • edited March 2019 Posts: 19,339
    barryt007 wrote: »
    I put Greene on a par with Le Chiffre as the best Craig era villains,easily.
    Such an underrated villain.
    That’s right, Bazza. Don’t get why people hate on Greene. He was outstanding. Menacing and a charming villain who didn’t act like a clown, and often undertook his tasks by himself.

    Exactly.
    The way he transformed from businessman to total madman at the end even shocked Bond,hence he was on the defensive at the beginning as Greene came at him.

    Just shows that he was mad all along,which nobody realised,apart from a glimpse of it with Camille in the warehouse at the beginning when he lost it briefly and shouted at her.
    Brilliant stuff.
  • barryt007 wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    I put Greene on a par with Le Chiffre as the best Craig era villains,easily.
    Such an underrated villain.
    That’s right, Bazza. Don’t get why people hate on Greene. He was outstanding. Menacing and a charming villain who didn’t act like a clown, and often undertook his tasks by himself.

    Exactly.
    The way he transformed from businessman to total madman at the end even shocked Bond,hence he was on the defensive at the beginning as Greene came at him.

    Just shows that he was mad all along,which nobody realised,apart from a glimpse of it with Camille in the warehouse at the beginning when he lost it briefly and shouted at her.
    Brilliant stuff.

    That was a natural reaction of Greene and yet it was only the first time throughout the series that such natural instinct of someone was played out like that in combat.

    His insulting words were the kind that really could piss Bond off.... remember when they heard the gunshot during the fire fight scene and Greene laughs and says "looks like you lost another one" ?
  • Posts: 19,339
    barryt007 wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    I put Greene on a par with Le Chiffre as the best Craig era villains,easily.
    Such an underrated villain.
    That’s right, Bazza. Don’t get why people hate on Greene. He was outstanding. Menacing and a charming villain who didn’t act like a clown, and often undertook his tasks by himself.

    Exactly.
    The way he transformed from businessman to total madman at the end even shocked Bond,hence he was on the defensive at the beginning as Greene came at him.

    Just shows that he was mad all along,which nobody realised,apart from a glimpse of it with Camille in the warehouse at the beginning when he lost it briefly and shouted at her.
    Brilliant stuff.

    That was a natural reaction of Greene and yet it was only the first time throughout the series that such natural instinct of someone was played out like that in combat.

    His insulting words were the kind that really could piss Bond off.... remember when they heard the gunshot during the fire fight scene and Greene laughs and says "looks like you lost another one" ?

    Exactly.
    He had totally lost the plot by then.
    He didn't snap out of it until he realised he couldn't beat Bond and spilled out all the information on Quantum.

    He looked worn out and a beaten man in the desert,he had burned himself out.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Bond rubbed salt in the wounds by throwing a can of oil on his busted foot.
  • QBranch wrote: »
    Bond rubbed salt in the wounds by throwing a can of oil on his busted foot.

    And then he denied involvement or knowledge of it to M.
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    I actually like Greene a bit more than Silva honestly. He kinda reminds me of Zorin.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Bond denied knowledge of oil in Greene's stomach and a bullet in the back of his head, didn't he.

    And smart not to take the bait and tell M things she didn't need to know.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
    edited March 2019 Posts: 1,003
    I LOVED Quantum Of Solace..

    The music was amazing. Also the graphics and titles were different. Title song should’ve been used at the end of the film.

    We should’ve had Michael Buble do the opening for sure.

    It’s funny that people hate the quick camera edits during the action scenes but that was 2008 for you. Batman Begins did it, so did the Bourne films also.

    That movie was Craig’s best performance easily. In skyfall Craig had no emotion and looked bored/stressed.

    Watch Casino Royale and Quantum then his last two and tell me Craig doesn’t look tired and bored.

    Although Skyfall’s editing/flow and storyline is what won the audience and critics over I actually rank it last in my Craig films.

    It’s a great action film but not a good Bond movie. We need a movie like CR & QOS for Bond 25.

    Quantum of solace is still a top 10 Bond film for me.
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