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I think you're in the minority on that...
Now that's quite a statement!
Then you must have missed it in CR and QOS as well :-).
And QOS?
I mean I missed the Bond theme in QOS and SF :) I think there can be a middle ground between almost not using it and playing it every 5 minutes (TND).
Well, so far, from all Craig-films.......in all honesty, I heard the James Bond theme most times in "Skyfall" really.
But then again....not everyone one of us can be made happy :-).
John Barry created the sound for the 007 franchise which he was able to do due to his very large talent. The franchise can count itself lucky that it had such a major force on board. The music from FRWL onward was a major force in the franchise success.
Think of Star Wars, Indiana Jones, The Dollar trilogy or even The Third man without their original and brilliant music.
As is QoS by the way.
On Newman's score: I think it's pretty good, and I think it's nice to have a new composer, and it's even nicer he didn't blow it all to smithereens (eh, Serra?). Many fans wanted Arnold to go away, and I do have the impression that these are the same who are now asking for his return. Or they've decided now to hold their breath and hope Newman finishes the discussion with SPECTRE's be all end all score.
....that in the end, obviously, people, especially on the forum, start disliking the film. Hence this topic, hence a certain snowball-effect due to this :-).
I am going to tell one last thing. I think the biggest problem of certain (not all!) people is, that they lack imagination. Novels are not like films. Obviously. But if one can't deal with certain open-ended questions that a movie is leaving behind -certain items/aspects of the film that are left open for your own creative and fantastical interpretation-, then he/she perhaps really needs to indulge in other films...or in any case coming up with positive-spirited solutions for the next Bond film.
You make it sound that "Skyfall" is a shit product. It's exactly this attitude I dislike. The comparison between the good, perfectly executed elements of the film and the elements that are not so good, are completely gone. Putting things into perspective is a no-go for you.
I can understand why "Skyfall" is not the best film. But lately exaggeration is the new standard. Perspective is gone. "Skyfall" IMO needs to endure unconstructive bashing for the sake of popcorn, superficial entertainment.
I'm talking only this time in a hyperbole, because I think it is needed as compared to your hyperbole :-).
And that's the stuff that worries me. I love the Craig films because they tell earnest tales with little room for stupid one-liners, which I don't think work in the films anyway (the same goes for the stupid gadgets we're apparently getting). I hope that kind of tone won't change. The worst possible Bond combo would be a Moore film dashed on top of a perfect Craig Bond adventure. I honestly thought we left all that campy tripe behind.
@chrisisall, for a fan of Dalton's Bond you sure seem to resent serious Bond adventures. I still hold that LTK has gone farther into dark territory than any Bond film before or since.
The complaints for it have been quite proliferated as of late, as if one person called its bluff and then everyone just decided to join in for the hell of it.
Still, it makes sense. After a two year period of everyone dishing Skyfall massive loads of praise, it has now switched to a different group of people delivering a massive load of criticism. While my crew and I are considered overly generous with our love, they are growing more and more overly generous with their criticisms.
The producer's job (in part) is to secure a good script. If they fail, the Director's job (in part) is to find a way to make sense of the nonsense.
But hey- the film looks very good.
It's just... why is November Man, a film made with less than 1/10 the budget of SF, such a vastly superior film?
:-??
Brosnan bashers, the tide hath TURNED!!!
Oh my... No words. I love Broz, and I love his movies but to call November Man "vastly superior" is beyond reason.
I love November Man as well, and even I have to call that bluff.
I honestly don't see how Skyfall can be considered a "sh*t product" when it raked in a billion plus dollars. Obviously people ate it up, so much so that leagues of people went again and again to see it like addicts. I'm happy to count myself with that group.
Good point. And yes, as ever, EON take huge responsibility for the quality of the script.
I really don't understand what their problem is. Is their really such a shortage of talented screenwriters out there? And I don't mean Haggis and Logan.
Okay, the cinematography was better in SF, I'll give you that. Oh my, do you REALLY want me to trot out the list of biggest all-time moneymakers again...
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Indeed. And for the very same reason Anton Corbijn's "A Most Wanted Man" got completely ignored here. I thought it would receive a lot of positive reviews in here. The fact is the topic "The November Man", being quite a lacklustre films, gets more praise and receives way more posts than the topic "A Most Wanted Man".
I know Brosnan's name is part of it. But I won't cloud my judgement if one actor has a Bond-tag, and the othere one not.
I also don't get the widespread hate for the score in Skyfall, which I thought was great, and is on my iPhone, and I listen to it quite a bit. To me, there's a better musical score, more interesting fight scenes and a better & more cohesive story in the Skyfall PTS* than in the entire November Man film, but to each his own, obviously.
*And then you get to watch an entire Bond film!! :D
EDIT: ^^^ bondjames sums up my feelings towards Skyfall/Novemeber Man nicely and concisely :)
The same can be said for King John Williams, the modern day Mozart of sorts.
Personally, it is Arnold who I think has produced some real forgettable junk for the series (particularly on the action scoring side where it just sounds like very loud banging noise to me) but I have to say CR/QoS was by far his best work.
No, not really like that. If you're suggesting I like Skyfall because I like Bond, that logic should indicate that I like *all* Bond movies, and I assure you, I do not.
Honestly, there's a lot to say about the faults of Skyfall, but when you make comments like NM is "vastly superior" and start making Batman Forever comparisons, you do yourself and your credibility on the topic a great disservice :P
Agree! Love the stuff that Hans Zimmer puts out too, loved the music in Interstellar, and Nolan's Batman movies. Argh, now I've got bats on the brain!!
I like a lot of his recent Bond work, as you said, but when I listened to that tribute album he did with a bunch of musicians covering old Bond tunes, on the whole I found it very cringeworthy.
Interestingly, I found the CR score to be the weakest of the three Craig movies, which I think is a pretty unpopular opinion. I've got all three soundtracks and find myself going back to them in reverse order.