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The Great Bond Film Elimination Game

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  • Risico007Risico007
    Posts: 9,846
    Agent007391 wrote:
    sirseanisbond wrote:
    Agent007391 wrote:
    Goldfinger: Bond does nothing for the majority of the film, gets captured multiple times, gets himself strapped to an atomic bomb. We praise this film.
    GoldenEye: Bond loses a friend at the beginning of the movie, then goes through a major emotional struggle when that same friend turns out to be the villain. He's only captured a couple times, fights his way through the enemy, and doesn't use that fancy new BMW he gets for anything more than one scene of the radar appearing. We want this one the f*ck out of there.

    Explain this.

    Just to prove how formative Goldfinger was, the post titles scene of Goldeneye uses the same Aston Martin DB5 from Goldfinger to try and reclaim some of that Bond iconography. Listen, I will admit that Goldfinger hasn't aged terribly well, and the middle is a bit slow, but the importance of that film upon the legacy of the James Bond film series cannot be understated. Goldfinger is original content, where as Goldeneye is a re-post...

    The DB5 is the only positive thing to come out of Goldfinger. And, how is GoldenEye a "re-post" and Goldfinger "original" if Goldfinger is based on the book, and GoldenEye is an original story?

    Large elements of Goldneye's plot is actually based on the novel Moonraker but meh

  • AgentJamesBond007AgentJamesBond007 Vesper’s grave
    Posts: 2,632
    DN: 10
    FRWL: 23
    GF: 5 (-1)
    OHMSS: 25
    FYEO: 8
    TLD: 14
    LTK: 11 (+1)
    GE: 8
    CR: 24
    SF: 19

    Eliminated:
    11. The Spy Who Loved Me
    12. Thunderball
    13. Octopussy
    14. Live and Let Die
    15. The World Is Not Enough
    16. Quantum of Solace
    17. Tomorrow Never Dies
    18. You Only Live Twice
    19. A View To A Kill
    20. The Man with the Golden Gun
    21. Diamonds Are Forever
    22. Moonraker
    23. Die Another Day
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,137
    DN: 10
    FRWL: 23
    GF: 6 (+1)
    OHMSS: 25
    FYEO: 8
    TLD: 14
    LTK: 11
    GE: 7 (-1)
    CR: 24
    SF: 19

    Eliminated:
    11. The Spy Who Loved Me
    12. Thunderball
    13. Octopussy
    14. Live and Let Die
    15. The World Is Not Enough
    16. Quantum of Solace
    17. Tomorrow Never Dies
    18. You Only Live Twice
    19. A View To A Kill
    20. The Man with the Golden Gun
    21. Diamonds Are Forever
    22. Moonraker
    23. Die Another Day

  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
    Posts: 4,012
    DN: 10
    FRWL: 24 (+1)
    GF: 6
    OHMSS: 25
    FYEO: 8
    TLD: 14
    LTK: 10 (-1)
    GE: 7
    CR: 24
    SF: 19

    Eliminated:
    11. The Spy Who Loved Me
    12. Thunderball
    13. Octopussy
    14. Live and Let Die
    15. The World Is Not Enough
    16. Quantum of Solace
    17. Tomorrow Never Dies
    18. You Only Live Twice
    19. A View To A Kill
    20. The Man with the Golden Gun
    21. Diamonds Are Forever
    22. Moonraker
    23. Die Another Day
  • jobojobo
    Posts: 7,507
    DN: 10
    FRWL: 24
    GF: 6
    OHMSS: 25
    FYEO: 8
    TLD: 14
    LTK: 10
    GE: 6 (-1)
    CR: 24
    SF: 20 (+1)

    Eliminated:
    11. The Spy Who Loved Me
    12. Thunderball
    13. Octopussy
    14. Live and Let Die
    15. The World Is Not Enough
    16. Quantum of Solace
    17. Tomorrow Never Dies
    18. You Only Live Twice
    19. A View To A Kill
    20. The Man with the Golden Gun
    21. Diamonds Are Forever
    22. Moonraker
    23. Die Another Day
  • WillyGaloreWillyGalore
    Posts: 6,396
    DN: 10
    FRWL: 25 (+1)
    GF: 6
    OHMSS: 25
    FYEO: 8
    TLD: 14
    LTK: 10
    GE: 5 (-1)
    CR: 24
    SF: 20

    Eliminated:

    11. The Spy Who Loved Me
    12. Thunderball
    13. Octopussy
    14. Live and Let Die
    15. The World Is Not Enough
    16. Quantum of Solace
    17. Tomorrow Never Dies
    18. You Only Live Twice
    19. A View To A Kill
    20. The Man with the Golden Gun
    21. Diamonds Are Forever
    22. Moonraker
    23. Die Another Day
  • SlyFox007SlyFox007
    edited April 2014 Posts: 414
    Agent007391 wrote:
    Goldfinger: Bond does nothing for the majority of the film, gets captured multiple times, gets himself strapped to an atomic bomb. We praise this film.
    GoldenEye: Bond loses a friend at the beginning of the movie, then goes through a major emotional struggle when that same friend turns out to be the villain. He's only captured a couple times, fights his way through the enemy, and doesn't use that fancy new BMW he gets for anything more than one scene of the radar appearing. We want this one the f*ck out of there.

    Explain this.

    Goldfinger: Bond is told to investigate Goldfinger. He immediately catches Goldfinger cheating at cards and undermines him, gaining Jill Masterson as a possible informant on Goldfinger in the process. Goldfinger thwarts this by covering Masterson in gold paint. Bond again catches up with Goldfinger, turns the tables on his cheating. Their one upmanship continues as a dual to the death, with Bond tenaciously using his wits and resources to stay on Goldfinger's trail, despite being captured and nearly killed several times.

    He uncovers Goldfinger's plot, does everything he can to warn others, converts the tough and seemingly unscrupulous Pussy Galore (whose punny name has been imitated several times but never quite matched) to his side, and vanquishes the seemingly invulnerable Oddjob. In the end, it's somebody else who defuses the bomb, technically meaning it wasn't Bond who thwarted Goldfinger's plot. But in Raiders of the Lost Ark, Indiana Jones spends the entire movie trying to keep the Nazis from getting their hands on the Ark, only for the Nazis to end up with the Ark and the artifact itself defeating them, and yet no one questions what a classic adventure film that is.

    And Bond uses the car in all the ways it was foreshadowed he would in one great chase scene.

    GoldenEye: Bond loses a friend who we are led to believe he has had a close partnership with for some time, despite thirty or so years of seeing 007 as a mostly solo op. Another hour passes before Bond gets his briefing from M. Once the plot finally gets going, it slows down again for Bond to romance a whiny Russian techie who doesn't know her butt from a chair, who tries to make him feel guilty for trying to kill someone who is clearly a dangerous criminal who has tried to kill her.

    Is GoldenEye a bad movie? No. Is it better than Goldfinger? As a certain character from GoldenEye said, "I think not."
  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    DN: 10
    FRWL: 25
    GF: 5 (-1)
    OHMSS: 25
    FYEO: 8
    TLD: 14
    LTK: 10
    GE: 6 (+1)
    CR: 24
    SF: 20

    Eliminated:

    11. The Spy Who Loved Me
    12. Thunderball
    13. Octopussy
    14. Live and Let Die
    15. The World Is Not Enough
    16. Quantum of Solace
    17. Tomorrow Never Dies
    18. You Only Live Twice
    19. A View To A Kill
    20. The Man with the Golden Gun
    21. Diamonds Are Forever
    22. Moonraker
    23. Die Another Day
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    SlyFox007 wrote:
    Agent007391 wrote:
    Goldfinger: Bond does nothing for the majority of the film, gets captured multiple times, gets himself strapped to an atomic bomb. We praise this film.
    GoldenEye: Bond loses a friend at the beginning of the movie, then goes through a major emotional struggle when that same friend turns out to be the villain. He's only captured a couple times, fights his way through the enemy, and doesn't use that fancy new BMW he gets for anything more than one scene of the radar appearing. We want this one the f*ck out of there.

    Explain this.

    Goldfinger: Bond is told to investigate Goldfinger. He immediately catches Goldfinger cheating at cards and undermines him, gaining Jill Masterson as a possible informant on Goldfinger in the process. Goldfinger thwarts this by covering Masterson in gold paint. Bond again catches up with Goldfinger, turns the tables on his cheating. Their one upmanship continues as a dual to the death, with Bond tenaciously using his wits and resources to stay on Goldfinger's trail, despite being captured and nearly killed several times.

    He uncovers Goldfinger's plot, does everything he can to warn others, converts the tough and seemingly unscrupulous Pussy Galore (whose punny name has been imitated several times but never quite matched) to his side, and vanquishes the seemingly invulnerable Oddjob. In the end, it's somebody else who defuses the bomb, technically meaning it wasn't Bond who thwarted Goldfinger's plot. But in Raiders of the Lost Ark, Indiana Jones spends the entire movie trying to keep the Nazis from getting their hands on the Ark, only for the Nazis to end up with the Ark and the artifact itself defeating them, and yet no one questions what a classic adventure film that is.

    And Bond uses the car in all the ways it was foreshadowed he would in one great chase scene.

    GoldenEye: Bond loses a friend who we are led to believe he has had a close partnership with for some time, despite thirty or so years of seeing 007 as a mostly solo op. Another hour passes before Bond gets his briefing from M. Once the plot finally gets going, it slows down again for Bond to romance a whiny Russian techie who doesn't know her butt from a chair, who tries to make him feel guilty for trying to kill someone who is clearly a dangerous criminal who has tried to kill her.

    Is GoldenEye a bad movie? No. Is it better than Goldfinger? As a certain character from GoldenEye said, "I think not."

    I simply feel that the more you look at Bond's actions and how he handles things in GF, films like DN, FRWL and TB crown over it big time. How he "converts" (interesting choice of word) Pussy from a lesbian to an apparently heterosexual woman is daft, to be frank. It's like an even stupider version of modern day society's "Pray the gay away," where instead of using the "power of God" and his scripture to erase away what the religious find to be "sinful," Bond uses forceful sex and brute force to make her switch teams. Come on, now. I know it's the 60s and all, but that's just a stupid sequence and shameful excuse of plot progression if I've ever seen one.

    In Goldeneye, Bond wins the day man to man, using his wits and tactical fighting against Alec to get the edge and defeat him, while in Goldfinger he...screws a girl silly to turn her from a gay and very strong willed woman into a submissive and heterosexual one in just seconds. BULLCRAP. It's grade F writing and demeans the character that was developed as a strong willed woman earlier. I can just picture Bond talking with M back at MI6 when the mission is done and over with...

    M: "Nice work defusing that situation in Kentucky, Bond. However did you manage it? Did you use Goldfinger's men against him through acts of subterfuge? Defuse the device with knowledge from your old army days? Use one of Q's gadgets to get Leiter and his team to help you stop it from blowing its top?"

    Bond: "No, sir; none of that. I simply screwed her silly until she stopped being an uncooperative lesbian."

    M: "Very funny, Bond. Now really, how'd you do it? B-bond? Bond, wherever are you going?"


    It's actually quite sad when you think about it: if Pussy wasn't "converted" to an acceptable sexual orientation for 60s audiences, Bond would have failed his mission and Goldfinger would shine bright as the victor. Basically, Goldfinger is overrated to the maximum, DN, FRWL and TB are all way better, and GE is great too because Bond actually handles the mission honorably, thanks to a script that isn't absolute bollocks.

    For fear of distancing ourselves further from the game at hand, I'll stop here.
  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
    Posts: 2,483
    AgentJamesBond007 forgot to subtract a point from GF. Correct score:

    DN: 10
    FRWL: 25
    GF: 4
    OHMSS: 25
    FYEO: 8
    TLD: 14
    LTK: 10
    GE: 6
    CR: 24
    SF: 20

    Eliminated:

    11. The Spy Who Loved Me
    12. Thunderball
    13. Octopussy
    14. Live and Let Die
    15. The World Is Not Enough
    16. Quantum of Solace
    17. Tomorrow Never Dies
    18. You Only Live Twice
    19. A View To A Kill
    20. The Man with the Golden Gun
    21. Diamonds Are Forever
    22. Moonraker
    23. Die Another Day
  • RogerMoore007RogerMoore007
    Posts: 170
    DN: 10
    FRWL: 25
    GF: 3 (-1)
    OHMSS: 25
    FYEO: 8
    TLD: 15 (+1)
    LTK: 10
    GE: 6
    CR: 24
    SF: 20

    Eliminated:

    11. The Spy Who Loved Me
    12. Thunderball
    13. Octopussy
    14. Live and Let Die
    15. The World Is Not Enough
    16. Quantum of Solace
    17. Tomorrow Never Dies
    18. You Only Live Twice
    19. A View To A Kill
    20. The Man with the Golden Gun
    21. Diamonds Are Forever
    22. Moonraker
    23. Die Another Day

  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    DN: 10
    FRWL: 25
    GF: 4 +1
    OHMSS: 25
    FYEO: 8
    TLD: 15
    LTK: 10
    GE: 6
    CR: 24
    SF: 19 -1

    Eliminated:

    11. The Spy Who Loved Me
    12. Thunderball
    13. Octopussy
    14. Live and Let Die
    15. The World Is Not Enough
    16. Quantum of Solace
    17. Tomorrow Never Dies
    18. You Only Live Twice
    19. A View To A Kill
    20. The Man with the Golden Gun
    21. Diamonds Are Forever
    22. Moonraker
    23. Die Another Day
  • dragonskydragonsky
    Posts: 2,491
    DN: 10
    FRWL: 25
    GF: 4
    OHMSS: 25
    FYEO: 7 (-1)
    TLD: 15
    LTK: 10
    GE: 7 (+1)
    CR: 24
    SF: 19

    Eliminated:

    11. The Spy Who Loved Me
    12. Thunderball
    13. Octopussy
    14. Live and Let Die
    15. The World Is Not Enough
    16. Quantum of Solace
    17. Tomorrow Never Dies
    18. You Only Live Twice
    19. A View To A Kill
    20. The Man with the Golden Gun
    21. Diamonds Are Forever
    22. Moonraker
    23. Die Another Day
  • petergreenhill5petergreenhill5
    Posts: 824
    DN: 10
    FRWL: 26+
    GF: 4
    OHMSS: 24-
    FYEO: 7
    TLD: 15
    LTK: 10
    GE: 7
    CR: 24
    SF: 19

    Eliminated:

    11. The Spy Who Loved Me
    12. Thunderball
    13. Octopussy
    14. Live and Let Die
    15. The World Is Not Enough
    16. Quantum of Solace
    17. Tomorrow Never Dies
    18. You Only Live Twice
    19. A View To A Kill
    20. The Man with the Golden Gun
    21. Diamonds Are Forever
    22. Moonraker
    23. Die Another Day
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
    Posts: 2,629
    DN: 10
    FRWL: 26
    GF: 4
    OHMSS: 24
    FYEO: 7
    TLD: 15
    LTK: 11 (+1)
    GE: 6 (-1)
    CR: 24
    SF: 19

    Eliminated:

    11. The Spy Who Loved Me
    12. Thunderball
    13. Octopussy
    14. Live and Let Die
    15. The World Is Not Enough
    16. Quantum of Solace
    17. Tomorrow Never Dies
    18. You Only Live Twice
    19. A View To A Kill
    20. The Man with the Golden Gun
    21. Diamonds Are Forever
    22. Moonraker
    23. Die Another Day
  • 00130013
    edited April 2014 Posts: 1,817
    DN: 10
    FRWL: 26
    GF: 4
    OHMSS: 24
    FYEO: 6 (-1)
    TLD: 15
    LTK: 11
    GE: 6
    CR: 25 (+1)
    SF: 19

    Eliminated:

    11. The Spy Who Loved Me
    12. Thunderball
    13. Octopussy
    14. Live and Let Die
    15. The World Is Not Enough
    16. Quantum of Solace
    17. Tomorrow Never Dies
    18. You Only Live Twice
    19. A View To A Kill
    20. The Man with the Golden Gun
    21. Diamonds Are Forever
    22. Moonraker
    23. Die Another Day

    Now my top 3 is properly ranked!
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    DN: 10
    FRWL: 26
    GF: 4
    OHMSS: 24
    FYEO: 5 (-1)
    TLD: 15
    LTK: 11
    GE: 6 (+1)
    CR: 25
    SF: 19

    Eliminated:

    11. The Spy Who Loved Me
    12. Thunderball
    13. Octopussy
    14. Live and Let Die
    15. The World Is Not Enough
    16. Quantum of Solace
    17. Tomorrow Never Dies
    18. You Only Live Twice
    19. A View To A Kill
    20. The Man with the Golden Gun
    21. Diamonds Are Forever
    22. Moonraker
    23. Die Another Day

    Now my top 3 is properly ranked!
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    Tuesday voting:

    DN: 11 (+1)
    FRWL: 26
    GF: 4
    OHMSS: 24
    FYEO: 4 (-1)
    TLD: 15
    LTK: 11
    GE: 6
    CR: 25
    SF: 19
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
    Posts: 2,402
    Wednesday. Let's get rid of it.

    DN: 11
    FRWL: 26
    GF: 4 (-1)
    OHMSS: 24
    FYEO: 4
    TLD: 14
    LTK: 11
    GE: 7 (+1)
    CR: 25
    SF: 19
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    Posts: 5,080

    DN: 10 (-1)
    FRWL: 26
    GF: 5 (+1)
    OHMSS: 24
    FYEO: 4
    TLD: 14
    LTK: 11
    GE: 7
    CR: 25
    SF: 19
  • zebrafishzebrafish <°)))< in Octopussy's garden in the shade
    edited April 2014 Posts: 4,341
    DN: 10
    FRWL: 26
    GF: 6 (+1)
    OHMSS: 24
    FYEO: 4
    TLD: 14
    LTK: 10 (-1)
    GE: 7
    CR: 25
    SF: 19

    Eliminated:

    11. The Spy Who Loved Me
    12. Thunderball
    13. Octopussy
    14. Live and Let Die
    15. The World Is Not Enough
    16. Quantum of Solace
    17. Tomorrow Never Dies
    18. You Only Live Twice
    19. A View To A Kill
    20. The Man with the Golden Gun
    21. Diamonds Are Forever
    22. Moonraker
    23. Die Another Day
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Wednesday
    DN: 10
    FRWL: 26
    GF: 6
    OHMSS: 24
    FYEO: 5(+1)
    TLD: 14
    LTK: 10
    GE: 6(-1)
    CR: 25
    SF: 19

    Eliminated:

    11. The Spy Who Loved Me
    12. Thunderball
    13. Octopussy
    14. Live and Let Die
    15. The World Is Not Enough
    16. Quantum of Solace
    17. Tomorrow Never Dies
    18. You Only Live Twice
    19. A View To A Kill
    20. The Man with the Golden Gun
    21. Diamonds Are Forever
    22. Moonraker
    23. Die Another Day
  • Crazysoul95Crazysoul95
    edited April 2014 Posts: 3,336
    DN: 10
    FRWL: 26
    GF: 6
    OHMSS: 24
    FYEO: 5
    TLD: 14
    LTK: 9 -1
    GE: 6
    CR: 26 +1
    SF: 19

    Eliminated:

    11. The Spy Who Loved Me
    12. Thunderball
    13. Octopussy
    14. Live and Let Die
    15. The World Is Not Enough
    16. Quantum of Solace
    17. Tomorrow Never Dies
    18. You Only Live Twice
    19. A View To A Kill
    20. The Man with the Golden Gun
    21. Diamonds Are Forever
    22. Moonraker
    23. Die Another Day
  • barryt007barryt007
    edited April 2014 Posts: 19,339
    DN: 10
    FRWL: 26
    GF: 6
    OHMSS: 24
    FYEO: 5
    TLD: 13 (-1)
    LTK: 9
    GE: 7 (+1)
    CR: 26
    SF: 19

    Eliminated:

    11. The Spy Who Loved Me
    12. Thunderball
    13. Octopussy
    14. Live and Let Die
    15. The World Is Not Enough
    16. Quantum of Solace
    17. Tomorrow Never Dies
    18. You Only Live Twice
    19. A View To A Kill
    20. The Man with the Golden Gun
    21. Diamonds Are Forever
    22. Moonraker
    23. Die Another Day
  • Crazysoul95Crazysoul95
    Posts: 3,336
    Barry you just missed my post
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    Sorted..thanks for the heads up !
  • SlyFox007SlyFox007
    Posts: 414
    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, You were quite right in that we had digressed. Back to the game at hand, indeed.

    DN: 10
    FRWL: 26
    GF: 7 (+1)
    OHMSS: 24
    FYEO: 5
    TLD: 13
    LTK: 9
    GE: 6 (-1)
    CR: 26
    SF: 19

    Eliminated:

    11. The Spy Who Loved Me
    12. Thunderball
    13. Octopussy
    14. Live and Let Die
    15. The World Is Not Enough
    16. Quantum of Solace
    17. Tomorrow Never Dies
    18. You Only Live Twice
    19. A View To A Kill
    20. The Man with the Golden Gun
    21. Diamonds Are Forever
    22. Moonraker
    23. Die Another Day
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
    edited April 2014 Posts: 7,854
    DN: 10
    FRWL: 26
    GF: 6 (-1)
    OHMSS: 24
    FYEO: 5
    TLD: 13
    LTK: 9
    GE: 7 (+1)
    CR: 26
    SF: 19

    Eliminated:

    11. The Spy Who Loved Me
    12. Thunderball
    13. Octopussy
    14. Live and Let Die
    15. The World Is Not Enough
    16. Quantum of Solace
    17. Tomorrow Never Dies
    18. You Only Live Twice
    19. A View To A Kill
    20. The Man with the Golden Gun
    21. Diamonds Are Forever
    22. Moonraker
    23. Die Another Day

    Gee, thanks @SlyFox007, you negated my vote before I had a chance to post it.
  • SlyFox007SlyFox007
    Posts: 414
    Sorry about that, @Agent007391. Happens to the best of us.
  • JohnBarryFanJohnBarryFan
    Posts: 1,405
    Wednesday:

    DN: 9 -1
    FRWL: 26
    GF: 6
    OHMSS: 25 +1
    FYEO: 5
    TLD: 13
    LTK: 9
    GE: 7
    CR: 26
    SF: 19

    Eliminated:

    11. The Spy Who Loved Me
    12. Thunderball
    13. Octopussy
    14. Live and Let Die
    15. The World Is Not Enough
    16. Quantum of Solace
    17. Tomorrow Never Dies
    18. You Only Live Twice
    19. A View To A Kill
    20. The Man with the Golden Gun
    21. Diamonds Are Forever
    22. Moonraker
    23. Die Another Day
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