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  • 00Beast00Beast
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    MayDayDiVicenzo wrote:
    dramaticscenesofQOS wrote:
    MayDayDiVicenzo wrote:
    pachazo wrote:
    dramaticscenesofQOS wrote:
    OP the plane fight qas so phony!
    You'd almost never see that type of stunt being performed in today's CGI wasteland.

    Agreed. Some of the shots in this sequence are breathtaking.

    I always see Octopussy as having three mini finales; the Circus finale (foiling Orlov's plot), the raid on Kamal Khan's palace, and the finale on (and outside) the plane.

    It was OTT

    Plus DAD tried doing that with 3 villain deaths, and look how that turned out.

    I really beg to differ. IMO, Octopussy has one of the most satisfying finales in the franchise.

    I highly agree with you there. Octopussy's finale is a grand spectacle of pure 007!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Birdleson wrote:
    Definitely SKYFALL. After a pretty fine hour and 45 minutes we get a snooze-fest in Scotland, culminating in a BS main villain death. The denouement was excellent, though.

    At least Craig's Bond finally killed the main villain! It was about time, too.
  • dramaticscenesofQOSdramaticscenesofQOS
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    I respect your opinions though we differ.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I'm not sure if I said it here, but in DAD, I would've ditched the electro-suit thing that Graves uses entirely. It was so incredibly cheesy and wasn't required at all. Another fierce hand-to-hand or sword battle would've been nice between Graves and Bond as the plane goes down.
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    I'm not sure if I said it here, but in DAD, I would've ditched the electro-suit thing that Graves uses entirely. It was so incredibly cheesy and wasn't required at all. Another fierce hand-to-hand or sword battle would've been nice between Graves and Bond as the plane goes down.

    I agree; the techno-suit was very lame and made the fight less about the tension between the two opponents and more about how Bond would find a clever way to use it to dispatch Graves.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I just thought the entire suit was cheesy, and one of the many things they could've left out to make the film much better. I would've enjoyed seeing Bond and Graves tumble around in a nice fist fight as the plane is all over the place, sending them into walls and tables and whatnot.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    I love the exchange between Bond and Graves: "Time to face destiny." "No, time to face gravity."
    Birdleson wrote:
    I enjoyed the sword fight.

    Me too. "Do you wanna continue?"
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    Birdleson wrote:
    Definitely SKYFALL. After a pretty fine hour and 45 minutes we get a snooze-fest in Scotland, culminating in a BS main villain death. The denouement was excellent, though.

    At least Craig's Bond finally killed the main villain! It was about time, too.

    After the villains plan succeeded, he wanted to kill M and did so. However the road travelled to this purpose was so bloody unlikely that it left me wanting for less Mendes in the next one.

  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    I just thought the entire suit was cheesy, and one of the many things they could've left out to make the film much better. I would've enjoyed seeing Bond and Graves tumble around in a nice fist fight as the plane is all over the place, sending them into walls and tables and whatnot.

    For me the confrontation between father and son, and what for an abomination his son had become could have been worked out better and the killing of the father would have had more emotional impact. A villain killing his father even if both wanted the same but diagree the way to make it happen does have some interesting aspects, and now it was a bit throwaway with that daft suit.
    And a 2nd swordfight as a continuation for the one lost before would have been welcome in which 007 could psychologicly needle his opponent for killing his father would have been more interesting. Thus leaving Halle Berry with the Raiders of the lost ark trick when Blondie would come at her with a sword, and she could be trying to manoevre the plane while 007 and Graves are at it.

    The son seeking his fathers praise and failing while 007 gets M, the mother figure, praise because he does what she asked him to do. Could have been a bloody good theme to work out instead of the OTT finale with little of no emotional pay-off.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    I just thought the entire suit was cheesy, and one of the many things they could've left out to make the film much better.

    That suit was a wasted opportunity IMO. It could have had tentacles with claws pop out of it like Doc Ock, and jets in the feet like Iron Man. It was just too realistic. :))
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    Walecs wrote:
    I love the exchange between Bond and Graves: "Time to face destiny." "No, time to face gravity."

    except that 'Time to face gravity' line makes absolutely no sense... as it's not gravity that dispatches Graves - he just gets sucked into a turbine.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    HASEROT wrote:
    except that 'Time to face gravity' line makes absolutely no sense... as it's not gravity that dispatches Graves - he just gets sucked into a turbine.

    Technically, Bond didn't know that was going to happen, I think.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    edited March 2014 Posts: 45,489
    Those grand finales are often among the most boring parts of the film for me. Applies to YOLT, DAF(oil rig), TSWLM,MR,OP(the attack on the island, not the fight on top of the plane),andTLD. I like them more toned down. The Brosnan finales were of course as bad as the rest of those films, that is why I did not mention those.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    please delete
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    MY list of disappointing (for me) grand finales:
    FRWL- gas & flare gun *meh*.
    DAF- oil rig assault *meh*.
    MR- space battle & exhaust port, er, satellite shooting *meh*.
    AVTAK- bad bridge fight *meh*.
    TWINE- sub fight *meh*.
    CR- building sinking *meh*.
    SF- Home Alone defence *meh*.

    The rest I liked or loved, depending on the film.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Birdleson wrote:
    As low as MR is in my rankings, second to last, I really like the space battle.
    I could have gotten into it if they'd used something other than Star Wars-like lasers. They had all the pieces to make it a film on par with TSWLM, but just edged that extra bit into kiddieland too far. And Jaws should have been killed. Dolly should never have been.
  • 00Beast00Beast
    edited March 2014 Posts: 4,762
    @chrisisall Are you serious? What's wrong with the Golden Gate Bridge finale? It's intense! Zorin vs. Bond on one of America's most iconic landmarks, in a duel to the death that leaves little to no room for error from either opponent? A blimp loaded with machine guns and dynamite ready to cut down our hero in the event that he defeats Zorin? There's hardly more to ask for!
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited March 2014 Posts: 17,804
    00Beast wrote:
    There's hardly more to ask for!
    Sorry, I'm a martial artist, and a former stunt man. That fight was severely lacking IMHO. Other than that, yeah, it was great.
    b-(
    The doll into the water shot almost worked too.
  • 00Beast00Beast
    edited March 2014 Posts: 4,762
    chrisisall wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    There's hardly more to ask for!
    Sorry, I'm a martial artist, and a former stunt man. That fight was severely lacking IMHO. Other than that, yeah, it was great.
    b-(
    The doll into the water shot almost worked too.

    I'll grant you that; it definitely was lacking in terms of stunt action! There was, by my count, one truly great punch, and that was when Bond pulled a left hook on Zorin as Zorin was choking him with the fire axe. Other than that, it did basically consist of just watching them try not to lose their footing.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited March 2014 Posts: 17,804
    00Beast wrote:
    Other than that, it did basically consist of just watching them try not to lose their footing.
    They made Rog look as good as he could I guess, but either Zorin should have seemed more physically capable, or Bond more fatigued. The moment the axe was in contact with Bond's hands should have been the end of the fight, with Zorin falling.

  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    chrisisall wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    There's hardly more to ask for!
    Sorry, I'm a martial artist, and a former stunt man. That fight was severely lacking IMHO. Other than that, yeah, it was great.
    b-(
    The doll into the water shot almost worked too.

    You've been here all this time and never posted in these threads.

    http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/3347/bonds-greatest-stunt/p1

    http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/3434/nominate-your-favourite-james-bond-stunt-sequence/p1

    If you post in those threads, perhaps you'd be kind enough to share some of the projects that you've worked on?


  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    chrisisall wrote:
    HASEROT wrote:
    except that 'Time to face gravity' line makes absolutely no sense... as it's not gravity that dispatches Graves - he just gets sucked into a turbine.

    Technically, Bond didn't know that was going to happen, I think.

    alright, so Graves misses the turbine - blows past the back of the plane, eventually his parachute opens up from falling - and he glides safely back to land........... boy, he sure faced gravity. lol...

    I think Bond presumed that the chute would get Graves sucked into the turbine - why electrocute him and give him the slightest opportunity of surviving the encounter?

    it's just a terrible line that doesn't make sense.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    He always did have an inflated opinion of himself. ;)
  • sirseanisbondsirseanisbond
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    The ending of QOS always bothered me, and I've always felt that if it had had a better ending, it could have saved the entire film. I would have changed it so that Bond and Camille were captured by Greene and moved to the remote abandoned hotel, and that they had to fight their way out with the help of Felix who came to their rescue. Something along those lines with a traditional "villain explains his master-plan over an expensive dinner scene" would have made QOS a great film for me.
  • dramaticscenesofQOSdramaticscenesofQOS
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    Wade, the co-writer of DAD apologized to me for the whole movie. I didn't even ask him to. So for me, DAD simply does not exist. It was $10 that I wasted. It was this idiot I used to know who wanted to see the movie real bad even though the critic on the radio said it's a ho-hum.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Plus, the jump from DAD to CR screams "Hey, we need to do a complete overhaul and re-think all of the decisions we made in DAD." If it wasn't for that, we may not have received something with the quality and love that CR brought.
  • dramaticscenesofQOSdramaticscenesofQOS
    edited March 2014 Posts: 1,282
    Nor would we have gotten the dramatic scenes of QoS!
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
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    dramaticscenesofQOS wrote:
    Nor would we have gotten the dramatic scenes of QoS!

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    150 years of history... and YOU'RE what we got for it? ;)

    All in good fun, this is.
  • dramaticscenesofQOSdramaticscenesofQOS
    edited March 2014 Posts: 1,282
    LOL

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