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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited October 2016 Posts: 23,883
    Getafix wrote: »
    Magnificently in GE? How was it magnificent? That car chase is one of the worst in the entire series.
    I completely disagree on this. The GE post-titles chase is a hoot. I always look forward to it and can't wait to see it again. It has a classic air to it (and that's not just the car, but also Famke's completely off the charts charismatic intro and the visual throwback to both GF & To Catch A Thief).

    I believe it captures everything that's best about Bond. I'll take that chase any day over the dreck that we got in SP. It probably cost less than half to film it too.

    Even Tom 'aped' it 5 yrs later in MI2.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    Much less than half.
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited October 2016 Posts: 11,425
    I can't stand GE - never could. Grubby little charmless 80s TV movie. a real low point in the series for me.

    Not about to defend the SP car chase though which was underwhelming and obviously a total waste of budget. Ditto Mendes's crappy explosion at Blofeld's base.

    To be fair to Campbell though he made much better use of his more meagre budgets than Mendes in terms of what you see on screen. Still don't like GE though.
  • Mathis1Mathis1
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    You're not alone Getafix! terrible car race (its not really a chase!) the horrible music, Brosnan at his most smarmiest, (and whose idea was the cravat?), that annoying bitch who's meant to be analysing him, the falling cyclists. No,awful start (and it didn't get much better!) I prefer the SP chase 9apart from the Moneypenny interruption!)
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I love the whole SP car chase, and loathe the entirety of the one in GE.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Magnificently in GE? How was it magnificent? That car chase is one of the worst in the entire series.

    I thought the way he did it in CR was better. Much better.

    Having said all this, I'm so damn sick of the DB5. Mendes has utterly flogged it to death now.

    Both reintroductions of the DB5 are pathetic and unnecessary. That said the one in GE is far worse. Bond has been absent for 6 years so don't waste the budget on some dull 'comedic' chase - give us a proper one.
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    I can t believe anyone actually likes the DAD gunbarrel. It s as daft as the rest of the film.

    As Simon Gruber once said 'There's a difference between not liking one's brother and not caring when some Irish flatfoot throws him off a building.'

    I don't think anyone has said they actually like the DAD GB, merely that it's better than the atrocities we got for QOS, SF and SP.
    bondjames wrote: »

    Even Tom 'aped' it 5 yrs later in MI2.

    And that chase is even worse.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    It truly hurts me to read such criticisms of the GE car chase. I much prefer it to the tank sequence later in the film.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    They are both underwhelming.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Yes the gunbarrel only lasts for about 15 seconds each film, but you can look at it another way - what does it make of the genius Sam Mendes if he can't get a 15 seconds sequence right in two tries?
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    Getafix wrote: »
    I can't stand GE - never could. Grubby little charmless 80s TV movie. a real low point in the series for me.

    Not about to defend the SP car chase though which was underwhelming and obviously a total waste of budget. Ditto Mendes's crappy explosion at Blofeld's base.

    To be fair to Campbell though he made much better use of his more meagre budgets than Mendes in terms of what you see on screen. Still don't like GE though.

    To be honest I think the "charm" people remember of some of the older entries is down to nostalgia more than anything. Apart from the score I genuinely don't see any reason for ranking GE below the likes of DAF and TMWTGG, but people actually do.
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited October 2016 Posts: 11,425
    thelivingroyale wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    I can't stand GE - never could. Grubby little charmless 80s TV movie. a real low point in the series for me.

    Not about to defend the SP car chase though which was underwhelming and obviously a total waste of budget. Ditto Mendes's crappy explosion at Blofeld's base.

    To be fair to Campbell though he made much better use of his more meagre budgets than Mendes in terms of what you see on screen. Still don't like GE though.

    To be honest I think the "charm" people remember of some of the older entries is down to nostalgia more than anything. Apart from the score I genuinely don't see any reason for ranking GE below the likes of DAF and TMWTGG, but people actually do.

    Yes, two reasons. connery and Moore.
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    They are both underwhelming.

    Totally agree. Remember my heart sinking when I first saw the tank chase. The Glen era with its amazing action was still fresh in my mind in 95.

    These days good action is the exception rather than the rule with Bond.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited October 2016 Posts: 11,189
    I've always liked the chases in GE, they were genuinely well done and fun/exciting for me - despite (or perhaps because of) the cheesiness.

    The tank chase is one of my favourite action sequences in terms of spectacle, though I admit that most of the action in CR, SF and the PTS of SP surpass it.

    Can't say i'm all that fond of the car chase in SP. Its ok but it plays out like a PlayStation game with Bond on the phone receiving plot details during the action. Reminded me of when I was playing Nightfire or Everything or Nothing as a teenager.

  • GetafixGetafix
    edited October 2016 Posts: 11,425
    A lot of action these days looks like a computer game. SP train fight was nicely done tho.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    Getafix wrote: »
    A lot of action these days looks like a computer game. SP train fight was nicely done tho.

    That was brilliant. Got an applause from the audience I was with during the first time (of 2) I saw it in the cinema.

  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Getafix wrote: »
    A lot of action these days looks like a computer game. SP train fight was nicely done tho.

    I wanted to see a fight like that since CR - not saying that the rest of Craig's movies haven't delivered in the fist fight department, of course, but with how muscular Craig is compared to the other actors, I was hoping we'd eventually get to see some huge sonofabitch throwing Bond around and hurting him.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    GE's the Best Bond movie ever. Have some fun.
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited October 2016 Posts: 11,425
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    A lot of action these days looks like a computer game. SP train fight was nicely done tho.

    I wanted to see a fight like that since CR - not saying that the rest of Craig's movies haven't delivered in the fist fight department, of course, but with how muscular Craig is compared to the other actors, I was hoping we'd eventually get to see some huge sonofabitch throwing Bond around and hurting him.

    Yes it was definitely overdue. Craig is so bulked up that his opponents often look like the underdog. He needs intimidating match ups in fights otherwise it lacks any sense of danger for Bond.
    Murdock wrote: »
    GE's the Best Bond movie ever. Have some fun.

    Wrong
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    Getafix wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    GE's the Best Bond movie ever. Have some fun.

    Wrong

    I'm never wrong. :D
    GE is the Best. Some just can't handle it.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    To be fair I can see why some find the explosive/bombastic style of GoldenEye a turn off.

    That said, Gotfried John, Judi Dench and Isabella Scoropco are all undoubtably superb. I don't think you can question their performances.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited October 2016 Posts: 23,883
    GE is one of the best in the last 25 years, only surpassed by CR & matched by SF imho.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    Posts: 11,189
    GE isn't the best, but it is the Bond film I've indisputably watched most.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    bondjames wrote: »
    GE is one of the best in the last 25 years, only surpassed by CR & matched by SF imho.
    Wholeheartedly agree with that statement. All are in my top 3.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    Next to CR I do think GE looks a bit on the creaky side.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Aren't we all enjoying our little GoldenEye/Brosnan bashing discourse.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    Aren't we all enjoying our little GoldenEye/Brosnan bashing discourse.

    There was a time when the so-called "Brosnan bashing" stood out big time, but it's gotten so cut-throat and critical around here in regards to so many other things surrounding Bond that I barely notice it any more.
  • Mathis1Mathis1
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    You better not view my review of it so over in The Last Bond movie watched thread!
    I do think GE is viewed with some rose tinted glasses for some! I've no problem with people liking it but calling it the best ever Bond makes me think you never seen any other Bond movie!
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    I've seen every Bond movie many times good sir and I still say GoldenEye is the best. No rose tinted glasses on my face.

    No Limits.
    No Fears.
    No Substitutes.

    GoldenEye all the way Baby! \m/
  • IncompetentHenchmanIncompetentHenchman
    Posts: 1,817
    Murdock wrote: »
    I've seen every Bond movie many times good sir and I still say GoldenEye is the best. No rose tinted glasses on my face.

    No Limits.
    No Fears.
    No Substitutes.

    GoldenEye all the way Baby! \m/

    +1
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited October 2016 Posts: 11,425
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    Aren't we all enjoying our little GoldenEye/Brosnan bashing discourse.

    There was a time when the so-called "Brosnan bashing" stood out big time, but it's gotten so cut-throat and critical around here in regards to so many other things surrounding Bond that I barely notice it any more.

    I go out of my way to be soft on Brosnan and still people claim it's bashing.

    Watching GE is the cinematic equivalent of being made to eat someone else's vomit, after they've been eating nachos and cheese.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Getafix wrote: »
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    Aren't we all enjoying our little GoldenEye/Brosnan bashing discourse.

    There was a time when the so-called "Brosnan bashing" stood out big time, but it's gotten so cut-throat and critical around here in regards to so many other things surrounding Bond that I barely notice it any more.

    I go out of my way to be soft on Brosnan and still people claim it's bashing.

    Watching GE is the cinematic equivalent of being made to eat someone else's vomit, after they've been eating nachos and cheese.

    You poor man! When did this happen?
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