"Did i overcomplicate the plot ?" - Skyfall Appreciation & Discussion

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  • Posts: 11,189
    I'll reiterate: GoldenEye is my most watched Bond film.

    Can quote ALL it's dialogue.
  • edited October 2016 Posts: 11,425
    Getafix wrote: »
    Aren't we all enjoying our little GoldenEye/Brosnan bashing discourse.

    There was a time when the so-called "Brosnan bashing" stood out big time, but it's gotten so cut-throat and critical around here in regards to so many other things surrounding Bond that I barely notice it any more.

    I go out of my way to be soft on Brosnan and still people claim it's bashing.

    Watching GE is the cinematic equivalent of being made to eat someone else's vomit, after they've been eating nachos and cheese.

    You poor man! When did this happen?

    1995. Very upsetting. Put me off my food for ages.

    And that was just watching GE.

    The vomit bit I am just guessing about.

    TND was only like being made to eat your own vomit by comparison.

    And DAD was obviously like being made to eat someone else's vomit after that person had themselves been made to eat someone else's vomit.

    Oh dear. This is all getting very human centipede.

    Apologies for lowering the tone and then some.

    I guess you understand why I don't tend to rewatch the Brosnan movies any way.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    It s a very educated guess.
  • Posts: 11,425
    It s a very educated guess.

    I thought I was fairly close to the mark on this one. Just guessing of course.
  • edited October 2016 Posts: 19,339
    Aren't we all enjoying our little GoldenEye/Brosnan bashing discourse.

    There was a time when the so-called "Brosnan bashing" stood out big time, but it's gotten so cut-throat and critical around here in regards to so many other things surrounding Bond that I barely notice it any more.

    Totally agree,i honestly don't see the problem with him,i would watch a Brosnan Bond film over TLD and a nervous Dalton anyday of the week,and yes i include DAD - at least it's fun and has some excitement in it !!
    Getafix wrote: »
    Watching GE is the cinematic equivalent of being made to eat someone else's vomit, after they've been eating nachos and cheese.

    No,once again that's TLD....GE is 100% better than that film !

  • edited October 2016 Posts: 11,425
    No - definitley wrong. TLD is the cinematic equivalent of having your tonsils tickled by Daniela Bianchi.

    Once again, sadly, I am only guessing.

    Everyone knows TLD is way better than GE. The presence of Dalton and John Barry - literally on screen - guaranteed a superior movie.
  • Posts: 19,339
    Getafix wrote: »
    No - definitley wrong. TLD is the cinematic equivalent of having your tonsils tickled by Daniela Bianchi

    It's boring and ,apart from the PTS not a lot happens...the Bond girl is thick as shit and one of most annoying ,Dalton is nervous,boring villains....

    The PTS,the interrogation,and the score are the only things that are worth catching in this drab fest...i can never watch it when they reach Afghanistan,the acting is awful and its just plain boring...Necros was wasted.

    Great Felix though ;)

  • Posts: 19,339
    Actually shouldnt this be in either a GE or TLD thread ?....this is about SF ...whoops ....
  • edited October 2016 Posts: 11,425
    Yes the PTS Is awesome - amongst the best I'd say.

    But how can you ignore the whole opening act in the Eastern block - it's brilliantly done and one of the best Cold War espionage sequences in the whole series.

    And a wonderful wonderful score. For me Bond is always in large part about the music and TLD is one of Barry's very best. The safe house, Vienna and assassination scenes are all very good.

    I personally think the relationship between the two leads is one of the most convincing in Bond girl history.

    Necros is brilliant as is all the action. Cargo net sequence anyone?

    I'll grant you that Felix is a tad weak, and last time I watched it I did tune out briefly during the love in with the Mujahadeen, but... It's still eminently more watchable than GE.

    Dalton is not my favourite Bond but he's definitley the most underrated amongst the wider public. Miles better than Brozza IMO.
  • edited October 2016 Posts: 11,189
    I think the romance in TLD is definitely a tad too soppy at times and yes MP and Felix are bloody awful, but otherwise I think TLD is a solid film and I've come to appreciate it more as I've got older.

    Dalton has some awkward moments but overall I prefer his performance here to his "thesp acting edgy" performance in LTK.

    I personally think the relationship between the two leads is one of the most convincing in Bond girl history

    It's ok but not a patch on Laz/Rigg or Craig/Eva Green. As I said, a bit too soppily played on occasions.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    No wonder is a Skyfall appreciation thread (mis)used as a GE/Brosnan thread.
    There is nothing to appreciate about Skyfall except for cinematography.

    And isn't it THE irony that GE has overtaken the Skyfall thread.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    Getafix wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Aren't we all enjoying our little GoldenEye/Brosnan bashing discourse.

    There was a time when the so-called "Brosnan bashing" stood out big time, but it's gotten so cut-throat and critical around here in regards to so many other things surrounding Bond that I barely notice it any more.

    I go out of my way to be soft on Brosnan and still people claim it's bashing.

    Watching GE is the cinematic equivalent of being made to eat someone else's vomit, after they've been eating nachos and cheese.

    You poor man! When did this happen?

    1995. Very upsetting. Put me off my food for ages.

    And that was just watching GE.

    The vomit bit I am just guessing about.

    TND was only like being made to eat your own vomit by comparison.

    And DAD was obviously like being made to eat someone else's vomit after that person had themselves been made to eat someone else's vomit.

    Oh dear. This is all getting very human centipede.

    Apologies for lowering the tone and then some.

    I guess you understand why I don't tend to rewatch the Brosnan movies any way.

    With hyperbole like that it doesn't sound like your being soft on Brosnan or GE at all. ;)
  • Posts: 11,425
    Funny, TLD is not quite as good as I remember it as a kid, but LTK is better.

    Not sure which I prefer. Probably still TLD becuase of some many classic scenes.
  • edited October 2016 Posts: 11,189
    TLD is classier and has a better cast but Kill has a stronger villain.

    I'd still say TLD as it feels less generic.

    I used to prefer Kill but now I keep thinking that the main story is poorly setup.
  • edited October 2016 Posts: 19,339
    Getafix wrote: »
    Funny, TLD is not quite as good as I remember it as a kid, but LTK is better.

    Not sure which I prefer. Probably still TLD becuase of some many classic scenes.

    LTK is waaaaaay better,with a top villain in Sanchez,and henchmen(Dario,Milton Krest,Trueman-Lodge and Heller) and Carey Lowell..oh and the best Leiter back,Sharkey and Prof Joe.

    And good old Q out on the field to boot.

    Also the 'loyalty is more important to me than money'ethics and the way Bond frames people...exciting stufff..EXCITING !!

  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    I think if you came to Bond through Brosnan or he was near your first experience then I can see why you'd think he was great.

    I know there are exceptions to this and some older fans like his films but as I said before, I was dissing Brosnan when some you were likely still in short trousers when most thought he was the second coming.

    I think Brosnan is an aproximation of what the general public see's Bond as, Bond produced in a factory.

    I actually think GE is the most radically different Bond of his era as much as I dislike it it's likely the only one I'd rewatch again.

    The idea of watching TND, TWINE and especially DAD fills me with dread and they are likely to stay sat in my Bond 50 box and never come out.
  • Posts: 11,189
    Everyone seems to love Carey Lowell but I've really gone off her recently.

    A cheesy "tough chick".
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Skyfall anyone?

    I love Skyfall. It always reminds me that there are 24 better Bond films, it's almost heartwarming.
  • Posts: 11,189
    Acting-wise SF is better than both TLD and LTK.
  • edited October 2016 Posts: 11,189
    Shardlake wrote: »
    I think if you came to Bond through Brosnan or he was near your first experience then I can see why you'd think he was great.

    I did. Probably why i'm a big GoldenEye fan.

    I can see its flaws more clearly now but both he and that film made me a fan...and yes I do remember him being very popular at the time. I loved him too.

  • Posts: 19,339
    Shardlake wrote: »
    I think if you came to Bond through Brosnan or he was near your first experience then I can see why you'd think he was great.

    I know there are exceptions to this and some older fans like his films but as I said before, I was dissing Brosnan when some you were likely still in short trousers when most thought he was the second coming.

    I think Brosnan is an aproximation of what the general public see's Bond as, Bond produced in a factory.

    I actually think GE is the most radically different Bond of his era as much as I dislike it it's likely the only one I'd rewatch again.

    The idea of watching TND, TWINE and especially DAD fills me with dread and they are likely to stay sat in my Bond 50 box and never come out.

    A fair point but i was born in 1970,between Lazenby and Connery and i like his films compared to TLD....which i find a snoozefest,trying too hard to pull away from Moore too soon.

  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    I think if you came to Bond through Brosnan or he was near your first experience then I can see why you'd think he was great.

    I did. Probably why i'm a big GoldenEye fan.

    Brosnan is great. I feel sorry for people who can't see it. Must be sad to dislike a whole era, and such a successful one, must hurt I guess.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I think the problem is, They were expecting someone else. ;)
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  • edited October 2016 Posts: 11,189
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    I think if you came to Bond through Brosnan or he was near your first experience then I can see why you'd think he was great.

    I did. Probably why i'm a big GoldenEye fan.

    Brosnan is great. I feel sorry for people who can't see it. Must be sad to dislike a whole era, and such a successful one, must hurt I guess.

    Brosnan's films haven't really aged very well though - and that does include GE to an extent. I say that as someone who grew up during his era and loved it.

    Murdock wrote: »
    I think the problem is, They were expecting someone else. ;)
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    Great trailer but Broz looks better in the film I think.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Brosnan is hitting the difficult 20 year old phase. In 10 years all 4 will be considered classics and CR and QOS will get called "didn't age well".
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    I think if you came to Bond through Brosnan or he was near your first experience then I can see why you'd think he was great.

    I did. Probably why i'm a big GoldenEye fan.

    Brosnan is great. I feel sorry for people who can't see it. Must be sad to dislike a whole era, and such a successful one, must hurt I guess.

    Not in the slightest.
  • edited October 2016 Posts: 19,339
    OK everyone,a new GE thread has just been opened so head over there unless its SF comments,in which case stay here he he .
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Skyfall anyone?

    Indeed. I've just had a NicNac go off on one saying I 'derailed' a thread for mentioning Niki Van Der Zyl once yet here we have a page of comments here without a mention of the topic of the thread? Anyway I'm sure he'll soon be here to tell you all off for such flagrant 'derailing' otherwise he might leave himself open to accusations of hypocrisy mightn't he?
  • Posts: 19,339
    Skyfall anyone?

    Indeed. I've just had a NicNac go off on one saying I 'derailed' a thread for mentioning Niki Van Der Zyl once yet here we have a page of comments here without a mention of the topic of the thread? Anyway I'm sure he'll soon be here to tell you all off for such flagrant 'derailing' otherwise he might leave himself open to accusations of hypocrisy mightn't he?

    Hopefully one of the mods will take out all the GE,Brosnan comments and move them to the other thread so this one will be back on track soon.

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Oy vey, you lads are off the leash!
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Aren't we all enjoying our little GoldenEye/Brosnan bashing discourse.

    There was a time when the so-called "Brosnan bashing" stood out big time, but it's gotten so cut-throat and critical around here in regards to so many other things surrounding Bond that I barely notice it any more.

    Totally agree,i honestly don't see the problem with him,i would watch a Brosnan Bond film over TLD and a nervous Dalton anyday of the week,and yes i include DAD - at least it's fun and has some excitement in it !!
    Getafix wrote: »
    Watching GE is the cinematic equivalent of being made to eat someone else's vomit, after they've been eating nachos and cheese.

    No,once again that's TLD....GE is 100% better than that film !

    To be clear to @Getafix, I wasn't attacking you mate, or calling what you were saying bashing. I don't have a strong affection for Brosnan either, and don't view criticism of him as bashing. Calling it bashing is just rather whiny to me, and the people who sometimes complain about poor Brosnan getting stoned in threads here are themselves just as negative-if not more-about other areas of Bond. So I stand with you here, @Getafix.

    I was just pointing out in the above post that the negativity that some view as being leveled against Brosnan is now almost drowned out by the anger many feel at EON, Mendes, etc.

    So many threads now, like this one, are mewling quarters for the rather misplaced anger and frustration of members to come out in surprising ways, and not so surprising ones. I won't be part of it, though I would suggest getting back on topic to what this thread is actually meant for, a pro-Skyfall zone. Skyfall dissenters can pack their bags and head on out with the so-called "Brosnan bashers" (still don't get it).
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