Making Connections (Potential Spoilers) - Why Quantum Could Feature In Bond 24

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  • Posts: 12,526
    Their certainly are some stunning locations throughout Scandinavia!
  • edited June 2014 Posts: 5,745
    Was just about to update this thread and then all of a sudden 20+ new posts. I'll keep it around for a while longer.
    Now that is funny. Ålesund was one of the places where we kept an eye on the Russians. Huge fishery centre, but a pretty boring city to tell you the truth.

    I'd argue a boring but beautiful town is an excellent idea. Bond should bring the action, not go to it. In George Clooney's The American, he goes to a small Italian village to try and escape his past. A little town where literally nothing but an annual Catholic parade takes place. It lets the film focus more on the tension, drama, and characters, and less on the actiony shoot, bang, explosion parts. Focusing on character is something ideal to do while we've got Craig, Whishaw, and Fiennes on board.
  • Posts: 15,124
    Quiet places can also be quite spooky, or menacing. A small English village can be scarier than say London.
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
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    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    Was just about to update this thread and then all of a sudden 20+ new posts. I'll keep it around for a while longer.
    Now that is funny. Ålesund was one of the places where we kept an eye on the Russians. Huge fishery centre, but a pretty boring city to tell you the truth.

    I'd argue a boring but beautiful town is an excellent idea. Bond should bring the action, not go to it. In George Clooney's The American, he goes to a small Italian village to try and escape his past. A little town where literally nothing but an annual Catholic parade takes place. It lets the film focus more on the tension, drama, and characters, and less on the actiony shoot, bang, explosion parts. Focusing on character is something ideal to do while we've got Craig, Whishaw, and Fiennes on board.

    Very good point regarding 'The American'.
    Though I would not go so far as to say a new Bond film needs to take it's queue & atmosphere from that movie - a bit more reflection and story/tension buildup would be welcome.
    I think it's time for a character driven 007 adventure again, and Scandinavia is the ideal backdrop for such a screenplay...
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    Was just about to update this thread and then all of a sudden 20+ new posts. I'll keep it around for a while longer.
    Now that is funny. Ålesund was one of the places where we kept an eye on the Russians. Huge fishery centre, but a pretty boring city to tell you the truth.

    I'd argue a boring but beautiful town is an excellent idea. Bond should bring the action, not go to it. In George Clooney's The American, he goes to a small Italian village to try and escape his past. A little town where literally nothing but an annual Catholic parade takes place. It lets the film focus more on the tension, drama, and characters, and less on the actiony shoot, bang, explosion parts. Focusing on character is something ideal to do while we've got Craig, Whishaw, and Fiennes on board.

    I very much agree with you, some of my point was merely that it is not a beautiful town either. Only its surroundings are.
  • Posts: 15,124
    I'd also love to have a Scandinavian villain played by a Scandinavian actor. Maybe this is really wishful thinking now.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Ludovico wrote:
    I'd also love to have a Scandinavian villain played by a Scandinavian actor. Maybe this is really wishful thinking now.

    I would do it, but only if I got to kill Bond for real.
  • edited June 2014 Posts: 5,745
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    Was just about to update this thread and then all of a sudden 20+ new posts. I'll keep it around for a while longer.
    Now that is funny. Ålesund was one of the places where we kept an eye on the Russians. Huge fishery centre, but a pretty boring city to tell you the truth.

    I'd argue a boring but beautiful town is an excellent idea. Bond should bring the action, not go to it. In George Clooney's The American, he goes to a small Italian village to try and escape his past. A little town where literally nothing but an annual Catholic parade takes place. It lets the film focus more on the tension, drama, and characters, and less on the actiony shoot, bang, explosion parts. Focusing on character is something ideal to do while we've got Craig, Whishaw, and Fiennes on board.

    I very much agree with you, some of my point was merely that it is not a beautiful town either. Only its surroundings are.

    Bond is not a beautiful man, but is often in beautiful surroundings. There's a great plot metaphor already, now to start outlining..
  • edited August 2014 Posts: 5,745
    So now that we know Northern Europe is almost-definitely going to feature in Bond 24, either in the form of Austria, Norway, or some other Scandinavian/snowy location, I'd like to shift the focus of the conversation.

    Making Connections - Why Quantum Could Feature In Bond 24

    My evidence:

    In Quantum of Solace, Bond's efforts to avenge the death of Vesper Lynd run him into a shady organization under the name of Quantum. Apparently this group consists of everyone from low-level money-movers, to the upper-echelon of society and politics. Bond discovers a plot of the geologist Dominic Greene, of Greene Planet working for Quantum in Bolivia to acquire a majority of the nations water supply. Once the natural reservoirs of water the country relies on for fresh, clean, healthy water are purchased by Greene Planet, Quantum moves to install their own dictator in the country to obtain full control of the Bolivian government by blackmailing them with the country's water supply.

    So we have a) Geologists, b) Governments, c) A wide network of members in Quantum d) Quantum meet at a Tosca Opera in Austria.

    Recent news over in the Bond 24 Production Timeline reveals that a group of islands in Norway had the Bond team interested for filming of Bond 24. It just so happens that these islands are mainly used for geological research, with even NASA having an active facility on site. So, back to point a) Geologists.

    We also learn that due to a script overhaul, the islands may no longer be used, with the Austrian Alps said to be the new target for the production team. So point d) Austria. NASA is a government agency for the U.S., and in the film QoS, Quantum was actively manipulating the CIA. So why not NASA, too? Point b) Governments.

    Also in Quantum of Solace, we hear a brief mention of Quantum's plans about an oil pipeline in Canada, again likely requiring more goelogical study and resources and expertise for Quantum to effectively execute.

    All of this is based off of a very small location rumor and pure coincidence that the Islands rumored are host of geological study. But this IS the speculation thread.

    Also, the same writing duo that (briefly) worked on Quantum of Solace have just completed a rewrite of the Bond 24 treatment. I'm sure they may feel like they have an unfinished story with Quantum they'd like to complete.

    Also, this awesome Bondian government building on the Island:
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  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited August 2014 Posts: 12,480
    Again, love the photos!

    I also like The American - a whole lot, actually. I always recommend it.

    The landscape, even without the buildings, is interesting. Bleak, cold ... yep it could figure in a small way or not so small way.

    If Norway, though, at least give me some sweeping shot of the fjords, even just as an approach shot or something; I would appreciate that and it would be unique for a Bond film.

    If only we could have had Max von Sydow in a Bond film! He would have been truly great. Is he still acting? (showing my ignorance here) If so, I doubt if he would have the stamina for a main villain, but what a great actor. I'd like him in any role in a Bond film.
    Oh and I just look online and found this: On April 29, 2014, it was announced that von Sydow had been cast in Star Wars Episode VII. He's 85 years old.
    So I say, dear Mendes and company, get Max on board for any kind of role. :) Do it now!

    Ahem. Yes, I was forgetting NSNA. Pooh.
    I'd still like Max in one of EON's production; perhaps that may not happen due to ... everything ... sigh.
    But I can dream. :)

    I know, Scandinavian actors is a different topic sorry. Got to mention Stellan Skarsgård, too, though; another favorite of mine.

    Back to location in northern Europe and Quantum.
    I do think that the Quantum connection could be brought in easily enough. I wonder is that is something P&W would have wanted all along to inject into this one. I think honestly maybe yes. And that would not have been so much in Logan's game plan. Just my gut feeling.

  • Posts: 12,526
    Those photo's are awesome. I certainly hope Quantum are back but with are far more sinister plot than anything geological as obviously it has already been done.
  • Posts: 12,473
    I want to see the Quantum storyline finished myself. At the very least Mr. White's death, please.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    JWESTBROOK wrote: »
    this awesome Bondian government building on the Island:
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    That building looks like it's collapsing in on itself. Are we sure Bond hasn't already been through there? ;)

    Either way, the insurance company is NEVER going to believe it.
  • Posts: 12,526
    FoxRox wrote: »
    I want to see the Quantum storyline finished myself. At the very least Mr. White's death, please.

    Absolutely seconded FoxRox!!! :-bd
  • JWESTBROOK wrote: »
    Making Connections - Why Quantum Could Feature In Bond 24

    Let's do some quick counter-speculation.
    John "Bond should always fight Blofeld" Logan's script is probably still the basis of the final script.

    And well, in which setting do Bond and Blofeld meet in the novels ?

    And about going back to QOS : Would the producers really go back to the movie that did less than CR ?
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    And about going back to QOS : Would the producers really go back to the movie that did less than CR ?

    They don't have to remake QOS, they just have to finish the story that began with that movie.

    Moreover, no one is gonna say "I heard that next Bond movie will feature the same organization introduced in QOS, so I'm not gonna watch it."

    The simple fact that it's a Bond film will make it a success. They could add Quantum, an invisible car, or set it in the space. Nonetheless, it'll be a success.
  • Posts: 5,745
    Walecs wrote: »
    And about going back to QOS : Would the producers really go back to the movie that did less than CR ?

    They don't have to remake QOS, they just have to finish the story that began with that movie.

    Moreover, no one is gonna say "I heard that next Bond movie will feature the same organization introduced in QOS, so I'm not gonna watch it."

    The simple fact that it's a Bond film will make it a success. They could add Quantum, an invisible car, or set it in the space. Nonetheless, it'll be a success.

    Precisely. Quantum returning is a null point. Those that remember it should be interested to see them finish the story line, and those that don't will just be excited for the next Bond film. I doubt anybody of the main viewing audience could remember SPECTRE by name.
  • edited August 2014 Posts: 2,015
    Walecs wrote: »
    Moreover, no one is gonna say "I heard that next Bond movie will feature the same organization introduced in QOS, so I'm not gonna watch it."

    But the producers could say : ok, we tried to have a low-key villain, without blood in the eye or metal teeth, Amalric will play really the standard CEO, etc.

    It produces the movie of Craig's that did the less.

    Next movie, they bring back a flamboyant character, we even have a scene to show he is physically different, thanks to CG, a bit for the sake of it. They did a billion.

    And now you think they'll bring back the "Mr White / Mr Greene kind of villains" type ? Normal people in normal suits using normal weapons working for a shadowy gritty organisation ? You wouldn't have had Silva in a Bourne movie, and I think they took care to do that.


  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    edited August 2014 Posts: 5,080
    Walecs wrote: »
    Moreover, no one is gonna say "I heard that next Bond movie will feature the same organization introduced in QOS, so I'm not gonna watch it."

    But the producers could say : ok, we tried to have a low-key villain, without blood in the eye or metal teeth, Amalric will play really the standard CEO, etc.

    It produces the movie of Craig's that did the less.

    Next movie, they bring back a flamboyant character, we even have a scene to show he is physically different, thanks to CG, a bit for the sake of it. They did a billion.

    And now you think they'll bring back the "Mr White / Mr Greene kind of villains" type ? Normal people in normal suits using normal weapons working for a shadowy gritty organisation ? You wouldn't have had Silva in a Bourne movie, and I think they took care to do that.


    Silva's abnormality earned Skyfall a billion dollars?
    Scaramanga had a third nipple, yet The Man with the Golden Gun performed poorly.
    Besides, Quantum did perfectly fine at the box office, perhaps not as much as Casino Royale, but still very good.
    I really don't get your argument here?
    Personally, I really liked Dominic Greene, there was something very unsettling about him.

    Who says the villains of Quantum have to be the average Joe?
  • edited August 2014 Posts: 2,015
    Silva's abnormality earned Skyfall a billion dollars?
    Scaramanga had a third nipple, yet The Man with the Golden Gun performed poorly.

    I don't think the producers look at 70s movie. They rather look at the current trend.
    Besides, Quantum did perfectly fine at the box office, perhaps not as much as Casino Royale, but still very good.

    Makes you wonder why they did not continue with Quantum in the next one then :)
    I really don't get your argument here?

    I don't expect another Bourne/Bond movie with a "realistic" villain.
    Who says the villains of Quantum have to be the average Joe?
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    I read often here that it seems that the days of Blofeld-like villains are over and that a gritty Bond should rather fight a real-life threat with ground-based realistic plots, etc. Just after a movie featuring a difformous semi-Godly hacker playing "Boom Boom" in a chopper to make his entrance. That did almost twice what the Bond/Bourne movie with a villain straight from a French auteur movie did :)

  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
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    I don't think the producers look at 70s movie. They rather look at the current trend.

    Most Bond villains have some sort of abnormality, Scaramanga is just an example. This has always been present.
    And what is the current trend? Because to be honest, most villains I have seen in recent films are bland, generic, I'll never remember them in a few weeks time. Should the producers be following this trend?

    Makes you wonder why they did not continue with Quantum in the next one then

    Not because of the box office performance.

    I don't expect another Bourne/Bond movie with a "realistic" villain.

    I don't expect one, too. Who says just because you use Quantum, it means you have to have a "realistic", down to earth plot in the form of QOS? You can do so much in terms of plot with the Quantum organisation. Isn't this what happened with SPECTRE? Dr No's and FRWL's plots were very simple, straightforward affairs. Then came the more grand plots in the form of TB and YOLT etc. history repeating itself?

    And I'm all for a more Thunderballesque Craig Bond film, with a villain in vain with Blofeld or Silva, for that matter.
    And just because Quantum are used, doesn't mean we have to have a repeat of Quantum of Solace.
  • Posts: 15,124
    And Quantum returning would prevent them to have a larger than life physically deformed villain because...?
  • edited August 2014 Posts: 5,745
    Ludovico wrote: »
    And Quantum returning would prevent them to have a larger than life physically deformed villain because...?

    I think people forget LeChiffre, Domitrios, Mr. White, and Mallaka all worked for Quantum on some level. Two of which, are physically deformed. Wait.. Three counting the guy with the nail in the eye at the end of CR with the glasses.
  • edited August 2014 Posts: 2,015
    Ludovico wrote: »
    And Quantum returning would prevent them to have a larger than life physically deformed villain because...?

    So let's turn the other way round : do you think the new movie will have a larger than life physically deformed villain ?

    And after that, does it match the "We're everywhere and you suspect nothing about us" ? Quantum is described as an organization that the closest assistant of the MP may be part of. Now if you try to use a twist in which some larger than life physically deformed person turns out to be part of Quantum... well, not much of a twist, in Bond movies, they are villains from the start. In the opera scene, they made it clear Quantum could be part of any opera audience and you would not know it. It was even a bit heavy-handed the way they showed us that. It was very Bourne-minded, I'd say. I'm happy they did not continue that way with Skyfall, at least.

    And finally, this movie will be done by the same team that did not use Quantum, don't forget it :)


  • Posts: 15,124
    JWESTBROOK wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    And Quantum returning would prevent them to have a larger than life physically deformed villain because...?

    I think people forget LeChiffre, Domitrios, Mr. White, and Mallaka all worked for Quantum on some level. Two of which, are physically deformed. Wait.. Three counting the guy with the nail in the eye at the end of CR with the glasses.

    Exactly. Le Chiffre especially had a physical oddity of course, but most of the others had "benign bizarre" elements.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    And Quantum returning would prevent them to have a larger than life physically deformed villain because...?

    So let's turn the other way round : do you think the new movie will have a larger than life physically deformed villain ?

    And after that, does it match the "We're everywhere and you suspect nothing about us" ? Quantum is described as an organization that the closest assistant of the MP may be part of. Now if you try to use a twist in which some larger than life physically deformed person turns out to be part of Quantum. Well, not much of a twist. In the opera scene, they made it clear Quantum could be part of any opera audience and you would not know it.

    And finally, this movie will be done by the same team that did not use Quantum, don't forget it :)


    Are you saying just because somebody has a deformity that they are immediately suspected at being a player in a worldwide criminal organisation?

    @Ludovico that's a great way to put. Greene certainly had an element of the benign bizarre. Those eyes!
  • edited August 2014 Posts: 15,124
    Ludovico wrote: »
    And Quantum returning would prevent them to have a larger than life physically deformed villain because...?

    So let's turn the other way round : do you think the new movie will have a larger than life physically deformed villain ?

    And after that, does it match the "We're everywhere and you suspect nothing about us" ? Quantum is described as an organization that the closest assistant of the MP may be part of. Now if you try to use a twist in which some larger than life physically deformed person turns out to be part of Quantum... well, not much of a twist, in Bond movies, they are villains from the start. In the opera scene, they made it clear Quantum could be part of any opera audience and you would not know it. It was even a bit heavy-handed the way they showed us that.

    And finally, this movie will be done by the same team that did not use Quantum, don't forget it :)


    Give a smoking to someone and he would look like part of an opera audience, whether he is a thug in real life and look like it or not. Silva managed to walk around London in a police uniform to stay unnoticed, in spite of his rather strange face. Even in the SPECTRE of old many of its members looked like ordinary people. In the movies at least. I don't think Quantum has in its membership criterias "not having any physical or distinctions whatsoever". Why was Gettler wearing these odd glasses with only one side with shades? Why was Le Chiffre's eye bleeding? Dominic Greene was meant to look like everyone because it was a decision of Forster and I think Amalric. Nothing more. And even Amalric's face is rather ratty and somewhat striking. Maybe not Krosteen like, but not that far. And if it was not enough, they gave him a subordinate with a bleeding wig! Silva's deformities were done with subtlety in SF, an addition of traits rather than one big scar, he had a striking appearance yet he could blend in a crowd if needed be. The same could work if they give deformities to the villain of Bond 24.

  • edited August 2014 Posts: 2,015
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Dominic Greene was meant to look like everyone because it was a decision of Forster and I think Amalric. Nothing more.

    Do you mean he was meant to look weird in the script ?

    Do we at least agree that as seen in QOS, Quantum was an organization that would not been out of place in a Bourne movie ? And that Silva would have been out of place in a Bourne movie ?
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    I meant that Greene looked like he looked because Forster did not want any special distinctive features. I have no idea how he was described in the script, if at all. And I disagree with Quantum having its place in a Bourne movie. It is the modern, bastard child of SPECTRE. With all the flaws of QOS, Quantum was very much a creation for the Bond universe.
  • Ludovico wrote: »
    I meant that Greene looked like he looked because Forster did not want any special distinctive features. I have no idea how he was described in the script, if at all.

    Me, I don't know if it was really Forster who did not want any special features, or if it was at a higher level that they went for "Bourne realism with the villains". But 'I don't know' is not a popular opinion :)

    I note that the toupee of Elvis could be a not so subtle hint about what Forster think of Bond baddies physical difformities, but well, some will say it was a meaningless quip...
    Ludovico wrote: »
    And I disagree with Quantum having its place in a Bourne movie. It is the modern, bastard child of SPECTRE. With all the flaws of QOS, Quantum was very much a creation for the Bond universe.

    SPECTRE is Blofeld. Quantum is... ?

    I think that those who think Quantum is important to Bond movies, are often those who don't want Blofeld back, mostly because of Austin Powers.


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