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The centennial of WOI should offer plenty of discussion without dragging WOII into it.
So both are linked...i could create a WWII thread if everyone wanted it.
OK,to take the pressure of putting too much WWII discussion into this WWI thread and possibly re-railing it,i have created an exclusive thread for WWII here :
http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/9633/the-world-war-ii-discussion-thread.
Germany wanted breathing space and there was so much of the world in the hands of various parties that they felt the need to get some of that.
In the end the French were hellbent to take revenge on their lost war against Germany in the 1880's even if they did start it then and got their behinds kicked. So the outcome of the war being lost was another sign were the Allied forces took their cuts from the Germans and hence driving them in an impossible position. And so the war to end all wars was not ended wisely.
And as before 1914 the world was still not in balance even if it changed the map of Europe dramatically and ended quiet a few royal dynasties as well.
WOI, what came before and what happened during and immediately after as a result of that war warrants a lot more attention.
The assassin of Franz Ferdinand is considered by most in Europe as a criminal, while in his homeland the man is seen as a hero who struck a blow against the Hapsburg House in a fight to regain their own nation. Even today it still is so. Which shows that even the truth in this matter is not a one sided issue and makes this war so complicated. Even in cinema & television this war warrants a lot more spotlights as this war was so different from WOII and closed the door upon an old Europe and became the birthplace of a modern Europe.
One German commander felt that Russians/Slavs were subhuman and he could not bear the thought of "filthy Slavs setting foot on Prussian soil" prior to the battle of Tannenburg.
Lots of Hitler's racial attitudes were not new among Germanic people.
I digress , i do want to keep this topic on World War I.
A footnote: Gavrilo Princip, the assassin of the Archduke died of TB in an Austrian prison priot to the end of the war.
Also, it can sit with Barry's WWII thread in the same section.
Oops my bad. I really posted this one too quickly.
No need to apologize Bro! I've done the same thing. Hit the post button without checking the "category" box. :\">
In private, Hitler repeatedly showed his hostility toward, and contempt for, Christianity and Catholicism. His confidantes, including Goebbels, Bormann, and Speer, recorded many comments expressing these beliefs, most of which are listed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler#Hitler_to_confidants. While he was certainly not an atheist, and made use of Christianity in his public addresses, to call Hitler a Christian in any meaningful sense is false.
And if Hitler was blessed by the churches on a weekly basis, it was without the approval of the Vatican, who released Mit Brennender Sorge in 1937 and had it read on Palm Sunday from every pulpit in Germany. More information can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mit_brennender_Sorge
"All the supposed abominations, the skeletons and death’s head, the coffins and the mysteries, are mere bogeys for children. But there is one dangerous element and that is the element I have copied from them. They form a sort of priestly nobility. They have developed an esoteric doctrine more merely formulated, but imparted through the symbols and mysteries in degrees of initiation. The hierarchical organization and the initiation through symbolic rites, that is to say, without bothering the brain by working on the imagination through magic and the symbols of a cult, all this has a dangerous element, and the element I have taken over. Don’t you see that our party must be of this character...? An Order, the hierarchical Order of a secular priesthood."
-Adolf Hitler
praising Freemasonry
Hitler I don't think was religious, not even much on the occult side.
At the very least he sure didn't worship Christ.
But I am not even sure he took the occult seriously either, rather he may have, as the above passage seems to suggest, found its trappings and rituals to be conducive to the fashioning of a "hierarchical Order of a secular priesthood."
I was about to say the same thing, so thanks.
Very well. Back to the topic at hand: What would Eastern Europe and central Africa look like had Germany won? They had ambitious plans to divide much of the former Russian Empire and take France, England, and Belgium's colonies to form Mitteleuropa and Mittelafrika.
they wanted "Lebernsraum" and had visions of grandeur, but if they would have won I doubt that there would have been anything the rest of the world would have been able to change anything about it. And depending on their treatment of the various nations they would have kept the civil obedience to a limit. The US at that time was small potatoes and would not have been capable to force a difference. The WWII would not have happened and decolonization of the various properties of the nations would not have happened or much later. It would have perhaps been a far more stable world than the one we got after 1919.
The old decadent monarchies (Russia, Austria-Hungary, The Ottoman Empire) were all their way out anyway, the war just hastened their downfalls.
With all the bloodshed especially on the Western Front, one wonders why both sides did nto want to open peace negotiations in 1917. Each of the belligerants felt that they had paid such a price in bloodshed they could not justify the deaths of so many of their young men short of total victory.
Rational thinking should have forced them all to the bargaining table but no one was thinking rational anymore since August 1914.
Well, that's certainly true and therein (extreme nationalism) lay the seeds of the Second World War which several commentators predicted in another twenty years - they were wrong - by ten months.
France wanted to regain the lost provinces of Alsaac and Lorraine but I just can't figure out what the Russians, Germans, Britian all wanted when they dove into the war in the first place.
Talk about failed Statesmen.
What a tragedy and waste.
So they wanted to once again take away territory from both the French & Russians. They actually wanted no conflict with the British empire but the Brits did not want to discuss the sovereignty and neutrality of Belgium as guaranteed by the British. The Germans decided that to be a personal insult. Through the person of the Kaiser who was a full cousin of the Tsar of Russia and the King of England.
Kaiser Wilhelm was first cousin to King George, he was a distant cousin to Nicholas II but Nicky's wife Alexandra was a first cousin to George and Wilhelm. George was first cousin to both Nicholas and Alexandra. No wonder royalty is kinda "off" all that in breeding.
The Greek King (brother in law) to Wilhelm was eventually overthrown because his subjects questioned his loyalties during the war. :))
Nothing wrong with it, of course, lots of sexy cousins.
But the dylsexia is an unfornunate side effect...
And not to mention haemophilia!
They cannot even read that.
- chocolate
- Belgian beer
- me
If Germany ever decides to invade us again, I emigrate to Japan. ;-) Or the moon.
4 a great comic book tradition
5 some wonderful bands from all genres, but most of all the synth scene.
6 love of good food
7 political correctness.
Mmm, strike the last. But the first six are something to be proud of.
And Barco, perhaps?
8 the red devils
9 a great food culture
10 hospitality
11 loads of great history