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Strange reply. Try and refute his post at least.
And as for the argument that it’s fantasy and make-believe it was Fleming who wrote this “fantasy” and he created 007 to be a white straight male. Not a black woman. Or any other permutation. It’s as simple as that. So Lashana being a fellow agent is one thing but being 007??? That’s a big NO-NO!! Just like there’s not a white female John Shaft.
There wasn't a reactionary industry on the internet yet.
Pretty sure that man with the grey ponytail is Clem So, Tom So's brother who appeared in SF and SP. Anyone want to chime in?
This is about as vacuous as it gets. Newsflash; MI6 operatives also don't get designated Aston Martin's with guns behind the headlights, and Fleming also didn't write him to be surfing down tsunamis or flying into space; or even on a more trivial level, be a non-smoker!
Who cares how many women are in the Navy Seals? Are the men in the Navy Seals or any equivalent branch of respective military the only ones capable of beating someone down or having some form of killer instinct? The armed forces are full of tough women and have been for a long time and there have been female members of Special Branch and Counter Terrorism for a long time, too.
I've seen women (untrained but very angry) beat the crap out of men larger than them. Not with relative ease, but they managed it. It really isn't impossible.
Still not convinced that NTTD will be a bad movie because of Noomi.
These comparisons don't make any sense at all. Dark Phoenix was doomed the moment they hired "that guy" from X3.
Because woman are restricted from certain military roles, eventhough we are just as capable.
That's such a cool shot.
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Xenia was fun because she was fun, not because she was a woman or because she kicked ass. It was the whole combination. Like Jinx was lame not because she was a woman and kicked ass.
I´d be over the moon if Nomi turns out as as much fun as Xenia was. Though I wouldn´t categorise Xenia as a strong woman in the common sense, because she clearly was a bit psychopathic.
It's all this issue of replacing stuff that are recognizable to male franchises like the 007 logo or the DB5 to female roles they are so tied that when someone male or female else has in it won't sit right and general audiences get confused look at men in black as an example you have men in black as the title and you have a man and a woman on the cover. Wonder Women trailer just came out and you don't see the man taking things. I don't know it will all straighten its self out hopefully. As M says in License to Kill its thier mess have them deal with it. Probably got the qoute wrong. If we had nomi as 009 a continuation from Spectre that makes sense we wouldn't have this but no.
Have you ever seen those women UFC fighters? Not really my thing, but they're as tough as nails. And of course there have been women bodybuilders for years now. Some of them are huge. I can't say that I specifically know any female Navy Seals, but there are many examples of strong women in the military.
Now, to your point, do I believe the petite Ana de Armas could be a one woman wrecking crew? Not for a second, just as I didn't believe Uma Thurman in Kill Bill, but I still had a lot of fun watching it.
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It's inarguable that Fleming created a character with specific physical characteristics and a particular worldview. I enjoy that character immensely but, after 24 films and six actors, it's arguable whether or not Fleming's Bond and that of the cinema are the same character (in the strictest sense of the word).
Would you argue that Bond films not based on a Fleming novel are not really Bond films because they're not canon? Do you not enjoy the non-Fleming bits in every Bond film because they're not canon? Take a look at Fleming's attempts to get Bond translated into film and television prior to Broccoli and Saltzman's involvement. You may be surprised at his willingness to adapt Bond and his world as these mediums required.
I trust the Broccoli even if I don't always like their creative choices. Their love and dedication to Bond is without reproach. I happen to like the creative choice of adding Nomi to the mix. It's fun to challenge Bond. The character works best when he's on the back foot, and what better way to challenge him (both as a character and icon) than to take away is "00" status or "007" codename. Bond is more than just a cipher. He's not simply a collection of attributes. Bond is a dynamic character that can grow and change in ways that keep him current while still honoring Fleming's vision.
We're talking about a franchise where the hero has skied off a cliff with a parachute, driven an invisible car, bungee jumped off a mountaintop dam before free falling into a plane, kite surfed a tsunami, had a laser battle in space...
If you come to Bond for kicks and then complain about the realism of a woman being able to handle herself in the field, I think you need to take a look at the things that annoy you.
To be honest I don't buy Pierce Brosnan fighting way more than Lashana Lynch.
Bond isn't a damn Navy Seal. He is a spy. Before Daniel Craig he wasn't a muscle man action hero either. He could charm his way through a mission just as well as punch his way through.
Heres some reading for you:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simone_Segouin
https://www.army.mod.uk/news-and-events/news/2018/10/women-in-ground-close-combat-roles/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_kickboxers
So this is a key point
What in the <20 seconds of screen time and 3 lines of dialogue she has in the trailer could lead anyone to deduce that Lynch isn't smart and capable? We all have our preferences physically, sure. You've arrived at such a conclusion because someone doesn't find her attractive
Conflating or confusing a woman attractiveness with a woman capability is the sort of casual sexism that women need to fight on a daily basis.
I never said it was because she was a woman. That would be ridiculous.
So women who find men attractive physically aren't sexist but men who find women attractive physically are?
No.
@Burgess -- very well written, and you're so right about putting Bond on his back foot. If anything, Bond looks very off balance in the little we've seen in the trailer-- and that's what excites me!
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