Do you have any concerns or niggles about NTTD ,or are you full of confidence ?

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  • Posts: 6,709
    delfloria wrote: »
    After the latest director Vlog all my niggles are gone. All I can say now is, I'm ready.

    Was going to post the same.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,182
    Walecs wrote: »
    Also I've always felt that FYEO's PTS had a thematic connection to the rest of the movie as both Bond and Melina seek revenge for someone they cared.

    There's that, but it doesn't help that the PTS treats Bond's dispatching of Blofeld like a joke. If the a thematic connection was intentional on the filmmakers' parts, then it kind of makes even worse. To better connect with the Bond who's trying to discourage Melina, I would have liked to see a Bond who actually comes off bitter and when he kills Blofeld it doesn't appear to have satisfied him much anyway but made him almost more miserable. That would perfectly lead in to his telling the Chinese phrase, because he really understands the toll it has on one's soul. As it is, Bond is just all smiles and doesn't seem to have any conflict over killing Blofeld, and the very next time we see him he's as chipper as we expect of Sir Rog.

    Contrast the way FYEO handled it with how Bond reacts after finally killing Sanchez where he's briefly alone for a moment and isn't relishing in his carnage but it almost looks like it made him feel worse. In a lot of ways, LTK feels more like the spiritual follow to OHMSS we should have got instead of that sill PTS.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Why?

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    In all seriousness, I find the reaction to "woke" "feminism" "SJW" by some so over the top that it's almost entertaining. If it were a parody, the deep seated fear would be that the womenz will conquer the world and reduce men to breeding stock. A world without baseball, barbecue, and cat calling women. OH THE HUMANITY.

    I mean, the reaction to a black woman possibly being the new 007 was so over the top I can't imagine it would have been the same if it turned out another straight white male just got the number after Bond left.
    Wanting something to happen, just to screw with others, is normally the hallmark of incel trolls.

    I don't have an issue with "woke/sjw/feminists/those group(s) of people" their ignorance and/or intolerance helped Kingdom Come: Deliverance sell above the expectations of the developers. I think once word got around of how good it was, I think it would have sold well enough, but their complaining on twitter (I am shooketh) brought the game free advertising. Which is funny, becuase that normally happens the other way around. Film featuring strong female character? Oh noes, bAn itz naow.
    Who would have thought that a game developed with the intent on being more historically accurate, set in Medieval times, in a part of Europe where there were no black people.... has no black people in it!

    God be with you, twitter warriors.

    Don't urge me to bring up the communist video when we talk sjw they are toxic.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited February 2020 Posts: 8,182
    Life is short, chill the eff out @007Blofeld

    Or as Fleming put it, enjoy the cigarette as you inhale the smoke deep into your lungs.

    I don’t smoke of course, but we all get our jollies one way or another.
  • Posts: 16,154
    delfloria wrote: »
    After the latest director Vlog all my niggles are gone. All I can say now is, I'm ready.

    That video at least laid my fears to rest. I think Cary might be the Bond director since Martin Campbell. Kind of wish he had started with QUANTUM.

  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Why?

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    In all seriousness, I find the reaction to "woke" "feminism" "SJW" by some so over the top that it's almost entertaining. If it were a parody, the deep seated fear would be that the womenz will conquer the world and reduce men to breeding stock. A world without baseball, barbecue, and cat calling women. OH THE HUMANITY.

    I mean, the reaction to a black woman possibly being the new 007 was so over the top I can't imagine it would have been the same if it turned out another straight white male just got the number after Bond left.
    Wanting something to happen, just to screw with others, is normally the hallmark of incel trolls.

    I don't have an issue with "woke/sjw/feminists/those group(s) of people" their ignorance and/or intolerance helped Kingdom Come: Deliverance sell above the expectations of the developers. I think once word got around of how good it was, I think it would have sold well enough, but their complaining on twitter (I am shooketh) brought the game free advertising. Which is funny, becuase that normally happens the other way around. Film featuring strong female character? Oh noes, bAn itz naow.
    Who would have thought that a game developed with the intent on being more historically accurate, set in Medieval times, in a part of Europe where there were no black people.... has no black people in it!

    God be with you, twitter warriors.

    Don't urge me to bring up the communist video when we talk sjw they are toxic.

    Is there no one you can talk to in real life about your issues? I’ve spent a while catching up on the last five days of news and views here and most of it is positive apart from you constantly crowing about the same old BS. You’re not going to find solace here.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    Posts: 2,641
    delfloria wrote: »
    After the latest director Vlog all my niggles are gone. All I can say now is, I'm ready.

    Couldn't agree more mate
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,785
    Walecs wrote: »
    Also I've always felt that FYEO's PTS had a thematic connection to the rest of the movie as both Bond and Melina seek revenge for someone they cared.

    There's that, but it doesn't help that the PTS treats Bond's dispatching of Blofeld like a joke. If the a thematic connection was intentional on the filmmakers' parts, then it kind of makes even worse. To better connect with the Bond who's trying to discourage Melina, I would have liked to see a Bond who actually comes off bitter and when he kills Blofeld it doesn't appear to have satisfied him much anyway but made him almost more miserable. That would perfectly lead in to his telling the Chinese phrase, because he really understands the toll it has on one's soul. As it is, Bond is just all smiles and doesn't seem to have any conflict over killing Blofeld, and the very next time we see him he's as chipper as we expect of Sir Rog.

    Contrast the way FYEO handled it with how Bond reacts after finally killing Sanchez where he's briefly alone for a moment and isn't relishing in his carnage but it almost looks like it made him feel worse. In a lot of ways, LTK feels more like the spiritual follow to OHMSS we should have got instead of that sill PTS.
    I don't defend the jokey finish for Blofeld down the smokestack. But the relevance to the story later on that James relates with the phrase to Melina is that Blofeld is the one that pursued revenge, and it was the death of him. He dug his own grave.

    Also want to mention a mini-marathon I heard suggested a long time ago: the revenge trilogy of From Russia With Love, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, and For Your Eyes Only. First SPECTRE pursues revenge after Dr. No. Then Bond foils another SPECTRE plot, at great cost losing Tracy. Years later remembering Tracy at her grave, Blofeld strikes back a final time and then the larger revenge story plays out. Three Bond actors and three great films tied together.

  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,546
    @RichardTheBruce That does sounds like an awesome mini marathon. The Cinematic Blofeld Trilogy, perhaps.
  • edited February 2020 Posts: 1,314
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Why?

    giphy.gif


    In all seriousness, I find the reaction to "woke" "feminism" "SJW" by some so over the top that it's almost entertaining. If it were a parody, the deep seated fear would be that the womenz will conquer the world and reduce men to breeding stock. A world without baseball, barbecue, and cat calling women. OH THE HUMANITY.

    I mean, the reaction to a black woman possibly being the new 007 was so over the top I can't imagine it would have been the same if it turned out another straight white male just got the number after Bond left.
    Wanting something to happen, just to screw with others, is normally the hallmark of incel trolls.

    I don't have an issue with "woke/sjw/feminists/those group(s) of people" their ignorance and/or intolerance helped Kingdom Come: Deliverance sell above the expectations of the developers. I think once word got around of how good it was, I think it would have sold well enough, but their complaining on twitter (I am shooketh) brought the game free advertising. Which is funny, becuase that normally happens the other way around. Film featuring strong female character? Oh noes, bAn itz naow.
    Who would have thought that a game developed with the intent on being more historically accurate, set in Medieval times, in a part of Europe where there were no black people.... has no black people in it!

    God be with you, twitter warriors.

    Don't urge me to bring up the communist video when we talk sjw they are toxic.

    I seriously doubt most right wing, enraged Neo cons could adequately explain communism and socialism.

    Just a quick look at the rise of racist chanting and abuse at football matches in the last few weeks proves that racism is always there just bubbling under with a sizeable section of society. The fact is that there is no harm in seeing different races on screen in what is supposed to be a contemporary depiction of London and the west.
  • Posts: 12,526
    After watching and listening the latest vlog from CJF, I have every confidence in NTTD! :-bd
  • I suppose always had a fair deal of confidence in Fukunaga; the latest vlog supports but doesn't really change that.

    I'd say the main concern that remains for me is that it feels as though there are a lot of moving parts in this film, and I hope it doesn't feel too packed. Of course without knowing much about the plot etc., this fear might be totally off-base. But what little we've learned so far about characters, locations, action, etc., makes me curious (and yes, I guess a little concerned) to see how they'll fit all the pieces together coherently and still have room to let it breathe.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,182
    I do think he’s referring more to Craig’s tenure ending rather than the character of Bond. We shall see.
  • I'm reposting this from its own thread. I think it's worth its own discussion - but whatever.

    Okay. So. I'm new here and before we begin, there's something you need to hear.

    I'm a new fan of the Bond series. I've never seen one before, but Lashana Lynch's casting (loved her in Captain Marvel) has brought me round to the franchise in a. Big. Way. I've been following every step of development from the moment Lashana was announced, and I can't wait to see the film drop in less than 5 weeks.

    Never before have we seen someone that looks like me, talks like me, represents my generation, take on a role like James Bond. James Bond is pale, stale and male, and it's time for new blood. That's where I think Lashana comes in.

    Here's my ultimatum to the Broccoli family, and to you fans: If Nomi does not take on the mantle of 007 James Bond in No Time To Die, I will not see any future Bond films or past Bond films. If she does, then I'll revisit the old ones. Any recommendations for where to begin? Any to avoid due to outdated depictions of sex, race, gender, etc.

    If it punks out at the end - if Lashana is killed, if Bond reclaims his 007 number, if we reset to status quo. Then then is frankly unacceptable, and there will be consequences long term for the franchise. I will not compromise in this.

    Okay. So. Is anyone else on the same page?
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,546
    Whatever the decisions made in the film, they must all serve one and only thing: the story.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,182
    It’s up to you if you want to continue with other films. I would recommend seeing the Bond films with Daniel Craig before seeing No Time to Die.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited February 2020 Posts: 5,970
    Well welcome to the community @Saeyesha , but I think you'll be a little disappointed.

    We've already heard from the main producers that James Bond won't be a woman, and the James Bond IP isn't going anywhere, so I think Nomi is just gonna be a really cool character who has been given the 007 number for one film and will not appear again afterwards.

    I don't know how it will be dealt with in the film, but my guess is that she'll be 007 throughout until the end and then James Bond will be 007 again in the next era with a new actor, who will be a man.

    I actually like the idea of Nomi as a character and her being 007 for this film, and think it'll create an interesting dynamic and more conflict for the story, but don't think she'll be taking over the franchise at all.
  • DeerAtTheGatesDeerAtTheGates Belgium
    Posts: 524
    And, to add to what @Denbigh explained very eloquently, we still don’t know for sure if Nomi will have the 007 number. There’s been loads of rumours and people claiming they know, but the official word is that she’s “a double-oh”. So she can be 007, but she might be 003 or 008. We’ll find out in about a month’s time!
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    Posts: 5,970
    And, to add to what @Denbigh explained very eloquently, we still don’t know for sure if Nomi will have the 007 number. There’s been loads of rumours and people claiming they know, but the official word is that she’s “a double-oh”. So she can be 007, but she might be 003 or 008. We’ll find out in about a month’s time!
    Exactly! and we just hope you enjoy the film no matter what happens :)
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
    Posts: 1,534
    Saeyesha wrote: »
    I'm reposting this from its own thread. I think it's worth its own discussion - but whatever.

    Okay. So. I'm new here and before we begin, there's something you need to hear.

    I'm a new fan of the Bond series. I've never seen one before, but Lashana Lynch's casting (loved her in Captain Marvel) has brought me round to the franchise in a. Big. Way. I've been following every step of development from the moment Lashana was announced, and I can't wait to see the film drop in less than 5 weeks.

    Never before have we seen someone that looks like me, talks like me, represents my generation, take on a role like James Bond. James Bond is pale, stale and male, and it's time for new blood. That's where I think Lashana comes in.

    Here's my ultimatum to the Broccoli family, and to you fans: If Nomi does not take on the mantle of 007 James Bond in No Time To Die, I will not see any future Bond films or past Bond films. If she does, then I'll revisit the old ones. Any recommendations for where to begin? Any to avoid due to outdated depictions of sex, race, gender, etc.

    If it punks out at the end - if Lashana is killed, if Bond reclaims his 007 number, if we reset to status quo. Then then is frankly unacceptable, and there will be consequences long term for the franchise. I will not compromise in this.

    Okay. So. Is anyone else on the same page?

    🤦‍♂️
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,216
    Welcome to the forum, @Saeyesha

    There's certainly potential for some great characters very similar to James Bond that could be played by someone who isn't pale, stale and male. In their own series.

    We'll get fresh blood and a new vision for the series once Craig leaves regardless.
  • edited February 2020 Posts: 3,327
    Saeyesha wrote: »
    I'm reposting this from its own thread. I think it's worth its own discussion - but whatever.

    Okay. So. I'm new here and before we begin, there's something you need to hear.

    I'm a new fan of the Bond series. I've never seen one before, but Lashana Lynch's casting (loved her in Captain Marvel) has brought me round to the franchise in a. Big. Way. I've been following every step of development from the moment Lashana was announced, and I can't wait to see the film drop in less than 5 weeks.

    Never before have we seen someone that looks like me, talks like me, represents my generation, take on a role like James Bond. James Bond is pale, stale and male, and it's time for new blood. That's where I think Lashana comes in.

    Here's my ultimatum to the Broccoli family, and to you fans: If Nomi does not take on the mantle of 007 James Bond in No Time To Die, I will not see any future Bond films or past Bond films. If she does, then I'll revisit the old ones. Any recommendations for where to begin? Any to avoid due to outdated depictions of sex, race, gender, etc.

    If it punks out at the end - if Lashana is killed, if Bond reclaims his 007 number, if we reset to status quo. Then then is frankly unacceptable, and there will be consequences long term for the franchise. I will not compromise in this.

    Okay. So. Is anyone else on the same page?

    I think this is a WUM. If not, and you are serious, then I suggest you follow another franchise. Bond is male. Bond is white. End of!

    You are on a different page to everyone else. We all know Bond will reclaim his number at the end, and I hope Lashana gets killed in the process too.
  • Posts: 1,859
    Saeyesha wrote: »
    I'm reposting this from its own thread. I think it's worth its own discussion - but whatever.

    Okay. So. I'm new here and before we begin, there's something you need to hear.

    I'm a new fan of the Bond series. I've never seen one before, but Lashana Lynch's casting (loved her in Captain Marvel) has brought me round to the franchise in a. Big. Way. I've been following every step of development from the moment Lashana was announced, and I can't wait to see the film drop in less than 5 weeks.

    Never before have we seen someone that looks like me, talks like me, represents my generation, take on a role like James Bond. James Bond is pale, stale and male, and it's time for new blood. That's where I think Lashana comes in.

    Here's my ultimatum to the Broccoli family, and to you fans: If Nomi does not take on the mantle of 007 James Bond in No Time To Die, I will not see any future Bond films or past Bond films. If she does, then I'll revisit the old ones. Any recommendations for where to begin? Any to avoid due to outdated depictions of sex, race, gender, etc.

    If it punks out at the end - if Lashana is killed, if Bond reclaims his 007 number, if we reset to status quo. Then then is frankly unacceptable, and there will be consequences long term for the franchise. I will not compromise in this.

    Okay. So. Is anyone else on the same page?

    To understand NTTD it would be a really good idea to watch the previous Craig films since they do interlock. Unfortunately, Bond being pale and male is part of his character as well as his penchant for casual sex, especially with married women.This might offend some but he is a product of the 50s and 60s and he expects everyday to be his last so we older fans cut him a bit of slack for living life to the fullest.
  • Posts: 3,327
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I’d prefer we give new members the benefit of the doubt as to their veracity. I don’t know what a WUM is, but I can infer the meaning.

    Wind Up Merchant. Maybe I was being a little harsh, seeing as its a new members first post.

    You're right. I'll chill. Let's see what else she posts before I pass judgement.
  • cwl007cwl007 England
    Posts: 611
    Welcome to the forum, no one should ever be threatened or offended by someone else's different viewpoint. (I'm afraid some memebers on this forum, as with most others online, quickly move to attack formation is they read something disagreeable to them but that's another story)
    So, welcome Saeyesha.
    You say you have joined the church of Bond fandom because of Naomi/Lynch. Great. Then she's doing her job in bringing in fresh blood, hope you enjoy her role. I do think though you should enjoy her while she lasts and don't get carried away with the old media spin of "she's 007".
    Of course none of us know at this point if that's true or not. What Bond fans do having a felling of however is the rich history of Bond and therefore how very very unlikely either Bond will be permanently replaced or the franchise will change completely from a gender point of view. Even if, even if, Lynch is indeed 007 for the duration of NTTD we'll have business as usual come Bond 26. I personally think even the duration of NTTD is unlikely.
    I hope you are sufficiently converted as a Bond fan by then and find another reason to enjoy it because I strongly feel it won't be Nomi by then.
    We've all seen the "this one is different, she's Bond's equal since the mid '70's (at least). Sure, the "she's 007" thing is a different angle but an idea from the same stable nonetheless.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
    Posts: 3,000
    Remington wrote: »
    Saeyesha wrote: »
    I'm reposting this from its own thread. I think it's worth its own discussion - but whatever.

    Okay. So. I'm new here and before we begin, there's something you need to hear.

    I'm a new fan of the Bond series. I've never seen one before, but Lashana Lynch's casting (loved her in Captain Marvel) has brought me round to the franchise in a. Big. Way. I've been following every step of development from the moment Lashana was announced, and I can't wait to see the film drop in less than 5 weeks.

    Never before have we seen someone that looks like me, talks like me, represents my generation, take on a role like James Bond. James Bond is pale, stale and male, and it's time for new blood. That's where I think Lashana comes in.

    Here's my ultimatum to the Broccoli family, and to you fans: If Nomi does not take on the mantle of 007 James Bond in No Time To Die, I will not see any future Bond films or past Bond films. If she does, then I'll revisit the old ones. Any recommendations for where to begin? Any to avoid due to outdated depictions of sex, race, gender, etc.

    If it punks out at the end - if Lashana is killed, if Bond reclaims his 007 number, if we reset to status quo. Then then is frankly unacceptable, and there will be consequences long term for the franchise. I will not compromise in this.

    Okay. So. Is anyone else on the same page?

    🤦‍♂️

    My sentiments exactly.
  • Posts: 3,327
    cwl007 wrote: »
    Welcome to the forum, no one should ever be threatened or offended by someone else's different viewpoint. (I'm afraid some memebers on this forum, as with most others online, quickly move to attack formation is they read something disagreeable to them but that's another story)
    So, welcome Saeyesha.
    You say you have joined the church of Bond fandom because of Naomi/Lynch. Great. Then she's doing her job in bringing in fresh blood, hope you enjoy her role. I do think though you should enjoy her while she lasts and don't get carried away with the old media spin of "she's 007".
    Of course none of us know at this point if that's true or not. What Bond fans do having a felling of however is the rich history of Bond and therefore how very very unlikely either Bond will be permanently replaced or the franchise will change completely from a gender point of view. Even if, even if, Lynch is indeed 007 for the duration of NTTD we'll have business as usual come Bond 26. I personally think even the duration of NTTD is unlikely.
    I hope you are sufficiently converted as a Bond fan by then and find another reason to enjoy it because I strongly feel it won't be Nomi by then.
    We've all seen the "this one is different, she's Bond's equal since the mid '70's (at least). Sure, the "she's 007" thing is a different angle but an idea from the same stable nonetheless.


    When a newcomer posts a comment like this on a Bond forum - `If Bond reclaims his 007 number, if we reset to status quo. Then then is frankly unacceptable, and there will be consequences long term for the franchise. I will not compromise in this.'

    What kind of response do you expect to get from Bond fans? Give me a break...

  • OctopussyOctopussy Piz Gloria, Schilthorn, Switzerland.
    edited February 2020 Posts: 1,081
    Birdleson wrote: »
    That account has been disabled. Some evidence has come to light casting a dubious shadow over the origin and intent of our latest (former). member.

    Blofeld?
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
    Posts: 1,534
    Well, that was shortlived.
  • Posts: 6,709
    Octopussy wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    That account has been disabled. Some evidence has come to light casting a dubious shadow over the origin and intent of our latest (former). member.

    Blofeld?

    Yes, they granted him computer rights at Wakefield. Dumb guards :-D
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