The Cinematography of NTTD - Linus Sandgren

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    @Pierce2Daniel The impression I get from Deakins, and most cinematographers, is the relationship with the director is more important than the film they are working on. Deakins’ filmography has films which arent considered great - more recently The Goldfinch, Hail Ceasar and In Time, but he did those because he likes working with those directors.

    I am super glad he did do SF because it looks incredible, but I think Sandgren is in with a shot of taking his crown, as it were. NTTD looks gorgeous.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    Mallory wrote: »
    @Pierce2Daniel The impression I get from Deakins, and most cinematographers, is the relationship with the director is more important than the film they are working on. Deakins’ filmography has films which arent considered great - more recently The Goldfinch, Hail Ceasar and In Time, but he did those because he likes working with those directors.

    I am super glad he did do SF because it looks incredible, but I think Sandgren is in with a shot of taking his crown, as it were. NTTD looks gorgeous.

    Fukunaga is a cinematographer as well, he photographed Beasts of No Nation (great work) so their collaboration is really gonna be dynamite...
  • edited September 2020 Posts: 3,164
    an interesting curio for those wondering what exactly IMAX is like - put together a composite of the portrait social media and the widescreen versions of that international Craig era recap to replicate the full-size image (ignore those black corners, presume they're filled in)
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  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Nice. I really hope to see the full frame version at my IMAX.
  • edited September 2020 Posts: 4,409
    antovolk wrote: »
    an interesting curio for those wondering what exactly IMAX is like - put together a composite of the portrait social media and the widescreen versions of that international Craig era recap to replicate the full-size image (ignore those black corners, presume they're filled in)
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    Interesting...I'm curious what the BFI IMAX projection will be like.

    When I saw Tenet there, the film played in its entirety in the full IMAX ratio The only time the frame was cropped was for the initial title card. Otherwise, it was full IMAX. I wonder if NTTD will play for the entire 143 minutes in the wider aspect ratio.

    When I saw Tenet the second time at the cinema, the aspect ratio was cropped weirdly, so some of the screen had a frame around it....which was odd.

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  • edited September 2020 Posts: 3,164
    It's been confirmed back ahead of the April release only 30 minutes of NTTD will be presented expanded. The other 133 minutes will be in the regular 2.40:1 aspect ratio as it was shot that way.

    Presuming there won't be any IMAX 70mm prints of the film, the BFI IMAX won't present it with the full height 1.43 ratio - there will still be black bars top and bottom of the screen. This is due to the digital projectors at the venue being of the older IMAX Xenon variety that can't physically fill the entire screen, and who knows if they'll ever do an upgrade to laser.

    (Though whether one will notice the lack of full height is another question - according to IMAX only half of Tenet's runtime was in 1.43, with the rest in 2.20:1.)

    Same as with April, the only way to see the film 'properly' in the UK with the full intended image will be at the Vue Manchester Printworks, which does have laser projection. The Science Museum IMAX here in London is also upgrading to laser and undergoing a major renovation - whether that will be ready in time for NTTD is another matter.

    (as to the issue on the second watch - a lot of cinemas aren't following instructions from WB as to how to present the film properly and adjust for the 2.20:1 aspect ratio, as they don't have dedicated projectionists anymore...)
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I’m going to see TENET at the IMAX in Irvine, CA. It used to project 70mm before switching out to digital. The screen is still the same shape it has been since the 70mm days, so I’ll see if this presentation is either the full aspect ratio or the LieMAX one.

    The last 70mm that was projected at Irvine IMAX to my memory was INTERSTELLAR.
  • edited September 2020 Posts: 3,164
    I’m going to see TENET at the IMAX in Irvine, CA. It used to project 70mm before switching out to digital. The screen is still the same shape it has been since the 70mm days, so I’ll see if this presentation is either the full aspect ratio or the LieMAX one.

    The last 70mm that was projected at Irvine IMAX to my memory was INTERSTELLAR.

    Afraid I know for a fact (someone I know reached out to IMAX about this very issue and specific venue) it will be the 'LieMAX' presentation. Won't be 70mm, and the laser projector that Regal installed at the venue is the single-laser model intended for smaller venues, so will only be expanding to 1.9:1.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    @antovolk you don’t think there will be any IMAX 70mm prints?
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    @antovolk you don’t think there will be any IMAX 70mm prints?

    There weren't any planned for the April release...odds are very very low, especially now with COVID. For Tenet there were about 30 planned and now it's only 13.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    antovolk wrote: »
    I’m going to see TENET at the IMAX in Irvine, CA. It used to project 70mm before switching out to digital. The screen is still the same shape it has been since the 70mm days, so I’ll see if this presentation is either the full aspect ratio or the LieMAX one.

    The last 70mm that was projected at Irvine IMAX to my memory was INTERSTELLAR.

    Afraid I know for a fact (someone I know reached out to IMAX about this very issue and specific venue) it will be the 'LieMAX' presentation. Won't be 70mm, and the laser projector that Regal installed at the venue is the single-laser model intended for smaller venues, so will only be expanding to 1.9:1.

    @antovolk The digital projector at Irvine used to do the full 1:43 AR. In fact I got to see the prologue of TENET in its full AR just before THE RISE OF SKYWALKER. You’re saying they replaced that projector with a cheaper one? That’s very disappointing.

    Currently the IMAX in Irvine was closed due to technical difficulties, which must have been very recent because I had bought a ticket before the closure. Luckily I got a refund.
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    antovolk wrote: »
    I’m going to see TENET at the IMAX in Irvine, CA. It used to project 70mm before switching out to digital. The screen is still the same shape it has been since the 70mm days, so I’ll see if this presentation is either the full aspect ratio or the LieMAX one.

    The last 70mm that was projected at Irvine IMAX to my memory was INTERSTELLAR.

    Afraid I know for a fact (someone I know reached out to IMAX about this very issue and specific venue) it will be the 'LieMAX' presentation. Won't be 70mm, and the laser projector that Regal installed at the venue is the single-laser model intended for smaller venues, so will only be expanding to 1.9:1.

    @antovolk The digital projector at Irvine used to do the full 1:43 AR. In fact I got to see the prologue of TENET in its full AR just before THE RISE OF SKYWALKER. You’re saying they replaced that projector with a cheaper one? That’s very disappointing.

    Currently the IMAX in Irvine was closed due to technical difficulties, which must have been very recent because I had bought a ticket before the closure. Luckily I got a refund.

    Either that or the prologue screened off a 70mm film print.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited September 2020 Posts: 8,188
    It definitely wasn't a 70mm projection from the looks of it. That 70mm film projector that Irvine used to have had been replaced with a GT laser projector back in 2015. The only time you'd see projection of the full 1:43 AR before films was during the IMAX countdown sequence just after the trailers and before the film presentation, unless the film was shot with sequences in 1:43, which I was hoping to see with TENET and NTTD.
  • edited September 2020 Posts: 4,409
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    If you told me that the above shot was from Danny Boyle's Bond 25, I'd have believed you. Still a very interesting use of the dutch angle.



    Also, is it me or is Daniel Craig just looking more rugged and sexy in this film than ever?!? Perhaps Fukunaga and Sandgren are just photographing him in a way more attractive way:

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    Something that I think Campbell and Mehuex didn't do consistently in CR. Which is no way to treat your leading man...

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    Also, just to reiterate my point above, Linus and Cary are really selling the sex this time. I think NTTD may be the Bond film where Craig looks the hunkiest he's looked during his tenure. I mean.....Wow.....What a babe 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍

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    I guess @Germanlady would've wholeheartedly agreed.

    That being said, I do think the way they've shot Craig this time is very flattering indeed. I've often wondered, particularly in CR, why they'd chosen some angles that, well, just didn't do him justice, just like you've so aptly pointed out, @Pierce2Daniel. And good catch on the dutch angle. Appropriate for a boat, methinks, but not for every single scene, a la Boyle.
  • edited September 2020 Posts: 6,709
    About the outfit (and I know we're in a cinematography thread, but considering the discussion...), I said in 2006 that it was cool that we now had a Steve McQueen Bond. Little did I know. In CR and QOS, his beige trousers and shawl cardigan were pure McQueen. And now this. Who didn't spot the reference? :D

    Kings of cool!

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  • He's born to star in a McQueen biopic!
  • GREAT catch!
  • GatecrasherGatecrasher Classified
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    I thought I recognized that look before! I’ve always liked the understated, yet effortlessly cool Steve McQueen flourishes in DC’s Bond wardrobe.
  • Linus Sangren is working on a new movie!!! This might just be my most anticipated film of 2021 as well

  • Roadphill wrote: »


    Not sure if any of you have ever seen these before. Colour corrections are done to certain scenes in the Craig films. This Spectre scene particularly highlights how the murky colour grading hurt certain scenes.

    You're wrong.

    The sepia filter is cool. It's very 'moody, espionage film' quality to it.....I recently watched Anthropoid and that film ha da similar look.

    Hoyte is a legend!

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  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @MongooseFight, he's not "wrong," that's an opinion. I agree with him, the color filtering in SP is beyond awful. Adds a smoggy look to lots of scenes unnecessarily.
  • edited November 2020 Posts: 440
    That "fixed" scene from Spectre looks awful. The colours and skin tones are all over the map and the white balance now has a weird purple tinge to it, in fact, the whole picture does.

    I have worked a lot in movie post-production so I can say with some authority that if I ever signed off on a colour grade like that I'd be fired.

    I don't think people have to love SP's look, I certainly don't, but it's not some kind of horrific post-production colour grading mistake that can be fixed with a bit of fiddling in adobe premier.

    The camera lenses, set designs, lighting, makeup, and film stocks were all chosen with that look in mind; the colour grading was just the final step in the process.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited November 2020 Posts: 8,188
    Frankly, I dig the look of SP. One of my favorite shots of the film is when Lucia’s car arrives at her home. Dusk looked very beautiful at that location.

    Edit: What’s up with MongooseFight suddenly being banned?
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
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    Frankly, I dig the look of SP. One of my favorite shots of the film is when Lucia’s car arrives at her home. Dusk looked very beautiful at that location.

    Lucia's arrival is also one of my favourite SP moments from a visual point of view.
    I hope the colours in NTTD are as bright (and natural) as in CR and QOS.
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    I can't remember: the scene is supposed to be Bond arriving in Matera, but it was actually filmed in Sapri or another place?

  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhE3X6ZX0AIU7vZ?format=jpg&name=900x900
    I can't remember: the scene is supposed to be Bond arriving in Matera, but it was actually filmed in Sapri or another place?

    That's the panoramic SS18 road connecting Sapri and Maratea.
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    Thanks, you're the best! ;)
  • Looking back at the trailers and TV spots, it's pretty fascinating to me how the look of this movie turned out. All of Fukunaga's work looks great, but the doesn't necessarily have a distinct visual style (other than being well composed and relatively naturalistic) and similarly for Sandgren (though his eye for colour is well known).

    What we ended up getting in the trailers completely caught me off guard. In my mind I was expecting something along the lines of CR and SF with a lush colour palate but relatively natural, textured and realistic but No Time to Die feels much more impressionistic, colourful, glossy, and somewhat artificial looking (not in a negative sense) and not really in line with anything I've seen from Fukunaga before. So much of it feels soft, romantic, and dreamy possibly due to the abundance of pink and purple, which is an interesting choice for a Bond film.

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    Looking back at the trailers and TV spots, it's pretty fascinating to me how the look of this movie turned out. All of Fukunaga's work looks great, but the doesn't necessarily have a distinct visual style (other than being well composed and relatively naturalistic) and similarly for Sandgren (though his eye for colour is well known).

    What we ended up getting in the trailers completely caught me off guard. In my mind I was expecting something along the lines of CR and SF with a lush colour palate but relatively natural, textured and realistic but No Time to Die feels much more impressionistic, colourful, glossy, and somewhat artificial looking (not in a negative sense) and not really in line with anything I've seen from Fukunaga before. So much of it feels soft, romantic, and dreamy possibly due to the abundance of pink and purple, which is an interesting choice for a Bond film.

    It's the Fukunaga Sunset Scramble! I think that look is fairly consistent with Sandgren's work on La La Land, and Fukunaga's ominous dreamscapes in True Detective and Maniac.
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