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Any Non-Fleming Material You Would Like To See Adapted?

RoadphillRoadphill United Kingdom
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So guys simple question, are there any plots, characters or set pieces you would like to see from any Non-Fleming Bond Novels adapted?
It could be from Gardner, Benson, or any of the other recent writers...

There are a couple from me. There is a plot point in Zero Minus Ten that Bond needs to enlist the help of the Triad organised crime group to achieve his objective. This I find interesting.

Also its one of the Gardner novels (I forget which) in which there is a plot to hold all of the first world leaders hostage on an Aircraft Carrier.

Are there any like this, or even full adaptions, of Non-Fleming work you would like to see?
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  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    I bet there's something out of the 284 novels that Gardner had written that there is tons of untouched material.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    Trigger Mortis is a cracking read, though not sure that constitutes as Fleming or Horowitz.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited February 2017 Posts: 18,281
    Roadphill wrote:
    Also its one of the Gardner novels (I forget which) in which there is a plot to hold all of the first world leaders hostage on an Aircraft Carrier.

    That was Gardner's Win, Lose or Die (1989).
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    I bet there's something out of the 284 novels that Gardner had written that there is tons of untouched material.

    Agreed, there's loads of good material there ready to be mined. However Eon/Michael G. Wilson seems very reluctant to do so.

  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    I bet there's something out of the 284 novels that Gardner had written that there is tons of untouched material.

    Agreed, there's loads of good material there ready to be mined. However Eon/Michael G. Wilson seems very reluctant to do so.

    You mean reluctant to do so openly. ;)

    As we've seen scenes and elements lifted from Gardner's Bond novels for various films, like the blimp and elevator shaft set-piece in A View to a Kill or M's mid-plot kidnapping in The World Is Not Enough, which felt inspired by Cold Fall.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    I bet there's something out of the 284 novels that Gardner had written that there is tons of untouched material.

    Agreed, there's loads of good material there ready to be mined. However Eon/Michael G. Wilson seems very reluctant to do so.

    You mean reluctant to do so openly. ;)

    As we've seen scenes and elements lifted from Gardner's Bond novels for various films, like the blimp and elevator shaft set-piece in A View to a Kill or M's mid-plot kidnapping in The World Is Not Enough, which felt inspired by Cold Fall.

    Well, yes, that's very true of course. I'd just like to see them give John Gardner actual overt credit like they did with Sir Kingsley Amis in Spectre, though admittedly that was a pretty big lift of the Colonel Sun torture scene. :)
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    I bet there's something out of the 284 novels that Gardner had written that there is tons of untouched material.

    Agreed, there's loads of good material there ready to be mined. However Eon/Michael G. Wilson seems very reluctant to do so.

    You mean reluctant to do so openly. ;)

    As we've seen scenes and elements lifted from Gardner's Bond novels for various films, like the blimp and elevator shaft set-piece in A View to a Kill or M's mid-plot kidnapping in The World Is Not Enough, which felt inspired by Cold Fall.

    Well, yes, that's very true of course. I'd just like to see them give John Gardner actual overt credit like they did with Sir Kingsley Amis in Spectre, though admittedly that was a pretty big lift of the Colonel Sun torture scene. :)

    Yes, a much more direct reference and end titles acknowledgement would be cool to see at some point. There are certainly worthy moments throughout Gardner's books.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    I bet there's something out of the 284 novels that Gardner had written that there is tons of untouched material.

    Agreed, there's loads of good material there ready to be mined. However Eon/Michael G. Wilson seems very reluctant to do so.

    You mean reluctant to do so openly. ;)

    As we've seen scenes and elements lifted from Gardner's Bond novels for various films, like the blimp and elevator shaft set-piece in A View to a Kill or M's mid-plot kidnapping in The World Is Not Enough, which felt inspired by Cold Fall.

    Well, yes, that's very true of course. I'd just like to see them give John Gardner actual overt credit like they did with Sir Kingsley Amis in Spectre, though admittedly that was a pretty big lift of the Colonel Sun torture scene. :)

    Yes, a much more direct reference and end titles acknowledgement would be cool to see at some point. There are certainly worthy moments throughout Gardner's books.

    There certainly are. I'd be made up if this ever happened or (better still) if they ever did a straight adaptation of one of the continuation Bond novels. One can but dream! ;)
  • jobojobo
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    I bet there are five or six existing threads already dealing with this question...
  • GerardGerard
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    Speaking of Gardner, the book I most want to see adapted, as a TV mini-series, is The Secret Generations, estpecially the first book in the series. Yes, I know it's not Bond, but it's really a great novel. With the success of period dramas on TV right now (from Downton Abbey to Victoria), it could be a great success. Don't you think so ?
  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
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    I'm not a huge Gardner fan but I recently read COLD and I did enjoy all the chasing around in helicopters, culminating with an escape from a water landing. Can't have too much of this sort of thing.
  • RoadphillRoadphill United Kingdom
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    I bet there's something out of the 284 novels that Gardner had written that there is tons of untouched material.

    Agreed, there's loads of good material there ready to be mined. However Eon/Michael G. Wilson seems very reluctant to do so.

    You mean reluctant to do so openly. ;)

    As we've seen scenes and elements lifted from Gardner's Bond novels for various films, like the blimp and elevator shaft set-piece in A View to a Kill or M's mid-plot kidnapping in The World Is Not Enough, which felt inspired by Cold Fall.

    Well, yes, that's very true of course. I'd just like to see them give John Gardner actual overt credit like they did with Sir Kingsley Amis in Spectre, though admittedly that was a pretty big lift of the Colonel Sun torture scene. :)

    He probably should have got credit for "Colonel Moon" in DAD, too.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited August 2020 Posts: 5,970
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  • RoadphillRoadphill United Kingdom
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    I think the mountain climbing stuff, from High Time To Kill, would work.

    It would need to be condensed somewhat, but its probably the most different and interesting work Benson did in his Bond novels.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Felix Leiter: The Dynamite Comic would make a great subplot for a Bond movie. It’s time for Felix to get his chance to shine!
  • Herr_StockmannHerr_Stockmann
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Felix Leiter: The Dynamite Comic would make a great subplot for a Bond movie. It’s time for Felix to get his chance to shine!
    More than just a subplot, I think this storyline in broad outline could be the basis of a great story for a Bond movie, with our hero being one of the only people able to identify by sight a female spy who's removing her digital footprints from the world.

    Otherwise, I like the starting point of Gardner's The Man from Barbarossa, with Bond tasked to infiltrate a terrorist organization seeking to bring war criminals to justice by threatening countries that may have protected them.
  • RoadphillRoadphill United Kingdom
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    Herr_Stockmann wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Felix Leiter: The Dynamite Comic would make a great subplot for a Bond movie. It’s time for Felix to get his chance to shine!
    More than just a subplot, I think this storyline in broad outline could be the basis of a great story for a Bond movie, with our hero being one of the only people able to identify by sight a female spy who's removing her digital footprints from the world.

    Otherwise, I like the starting point of Gardner's The Man from Barbarossa, with Bond tasked to infiltrate a terrorist organization seeking to bring war criminals to justice by threatening countries that may have protected them.

    I haven't actually read that one. Sounds like the nugget of an interesting Bond plot.
  • Herr_StockmannHerr_Stockmann
    edited September 2020 Posts: 910
    Roadphill wrote: »
    I haven't actually read that one. Sounds like the nugget of an interesting Bond plot.
    While I recognize the weaknesses of the novel from a narrative point of view, particularly with regard to its development, I found the plot very interesting from a geopolitical point of view. Gardner really delivers a Perestroika thriller and it's quite fascinating. Using the starting point seems to me in any case a catching non-Fleming material that could be perfectly translated to the screen.
  • jetsetwillyjetsetwilly
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    I would like to see full adaptations of Colonel Sun, Trigger Mortis and Forever and a Day, as they are the most Flemingesque books.

    I also think they would work as adaptations, although the torture scene from CS has now been used in SPECTRE. Other parts of the book would work well though. Some great scenes.

  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited September 2020 Posts: 4,636
    jetsetwilly wrote: »
    I would like to see full adaptations of Colonel Sun, Trigger Mortis and Forever and a Day, as they are the most Flemingesque books.

    I also think they would work as adaptations, although the torture scene from CS has now been used in SPECTRE. Other parts of the book would work well though. Some great scenes.

    I agree, FAAD could be used as a reboot for a first time 007 actor. Maybe the previous 007 could be Alec Trevelyan, setting up further events, but better planned than what DC’s arc has been. No Purvis and Wade! Plus TWINE used M’s kidnapping.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 2020 Posts: 16,418
    I agree on Trigger Mortis, certainly. I do recall there being lots of quite Flemingy ideas in Higson's Young Bond novels which could probably be adapted too, although it's a long time since I read them! I liked him being pinned out to be eaten by mosquitos (although probably not very cinematic) but the villain who runs an island paradise for criminals to retire to under his protection was quite a good idea I thought, along with his Aztec sunken assault course of death :)
    And there's a whole scene set during a hurricane in one of them (can you guess which? :) ) which is a situation I don't think we've really seen Bond in: him against extreme weather.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    mtm wrote: »
    I agree on Trigger Mortis, certainly. I do recall there being lots of quite Flemingy ideas in Higson's Young Bond novels which could probably be adapted too, although it's a long time since I read them! I liked him being pinned out to be eaten by mosquitos (although probably not very cinematic) but the villain who runs an island paradise for criminals to retire to under his protection was quite a good idea I thought, along with his Aztec sunken assault course of death :)
    And there's a whole scene set during a hurricane in one of them (can you guess which? :) ) which is a situation I don't think we've really seen Bond in: him against extreme weather.

    In terms of extreme weather, my recommendation for non Ian Fleming adaptations would be Icebreaker by John Gardener. Cut the many plot twists and double crosses, and there could be a well done cinematic experience.
  • LawrenceVulcan__1976LawrenceVulcan__1976 motherwell
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    Of the comics Kill Chain but given recent events that might be too topical.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    If EON really wanted to be ambitious, they could film Raymond Benson’s Union Trilogy back to back to back. Release them a year apart. Also, EON could use John Logan’s two part gold smuggling plot. Bring back Goldfinger as a modern villain.
  • GerardGerard
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    If they ever do another Agatha Christie's anthology series, why not The Rajah's Emerald ? I'm serious here. It is, after all, a James Bond story, and let's remember that the first adaptation of a Fleming novel was also part of an anthology series.
  • RoadphillRoadphill United Kingdom
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    If EON really wanted to be ambitious, they could film Raymond Benson’s Union Trilogy back to back to back. Release them a year apart. Also, EON could use John Logan’s two part gold smuggling plot. Bring back Goldfinger as a modern villain.

    I did like the basics of the Union trilogy. There would have to be some fairly heavy edits, mind.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I can't remember much about the Union other than they were another evil organisation. What were the good bits?
  • iamurospiamurosp Belgrade, Serbia
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    QuantumOrganization wrote: »
    Trigger Mortis is a cracking read, though not sure that constitutes as Fleming or Horowitz.

    Horowitz, even though it's in Fleming's timeline (which I hugely respect!)
  • iamurospiamurosp Belgrade, Serbia
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    Heck yeah! Forever And A Day (wish I could come up with such a Bondian title), Carte Blanche, Solo.. I like them all! But they should also do Fleming's novels, and I don't mean just the titles, but to actually follow the stories! Like Moonraker for example. I can't stand the movie, but the novel is much different and it's great! And the other IF's novels too, even though they're very slow paced..
  • Risico007Risico007
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I'd like to see COLONEL SUN adapted in whole.

    me too
  • CigaretteLeiterCigaretteLeiter United States
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    If EON really wanted to be ambitious, they could film Raymond Benson’s Union Trilogy back to back to back. Release them a year apart. Also, EON could use John Logan’s two part gold smuggling plot. Bring back Goldfinger as a modern villain.

    Never heard about that plot from Logan, you know of any place that elaborates on it?
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