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What's interesting is that most Bond films have a poor final third in my opinion. If they have a good last act then they tend to be at the top end of my list. I suppose NTTD just follows this formula with the decisions it makes. It really is after the Cuba sequence when it begins to sink. Though has it happens I quite like some of the London scenes, and even like the first M office scene because it has some genuine spark (though I take the point about Bond's total lack of deference for M).
Yes because every person who could possibly be approached for the role or wants to play it DEFINITELY feels the way YOU do.
To be fair, we don't know who @bondywondy is. He might be Michael Fassbender for all we know.
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Lovely cushioned header for ......... Birdlesonnnnnnn
Look its fine to hate the film. Its fine to love it. But we're all here because we love bond and the in fighting will be what divides us, not the movie itself.
This is why earlier I said this thread is more depressing than the movie. I like the movie. The last ten minutes I'd change but I don't hate it either. It's just one possible part of Bond's story in many other stories....
The diversity of opinion is obviously split as could have been expected given what happens, the non bond fans or general public, as a whole as I can tell think it's an OK movie which most like, go figure.
However this is a Bond fan site, so lets have a non scientific straw poll between members who've seen the movie.
(A) Loved without question
(B) Liked with reservations (IE Bond killed)
(C) Hated without question
Just quote the letter you think applies to you, no comments or explanation.
Thanks.
That is absolutely true. And most of the time I turn off the rewatch before the 3rd act. Maybe I'll do that with NTTD one day, and I'll appreciate it more.
Still I'll never like the title, the lacklustre song, the horrid campaign they made for it, with the abysmal posters, the crazy production it had, and the over-subversion of its elements in the 2nd and 3rd acts.
I was a huge Brosnan fan, still am, and I can only watch the Cuban/Cadiz scenes in DUD, and nothing else, not one bit more.
And I think that's fair. I rewatch many Bond films just like so. It's rare the filme I rewatch from the beginning to the end. CR and SF are the only ones in the Craig tenure that get that full treatment once and awhile. Besides those, only Connery's first four, OHMSS and funnily enough, TMWTGG. Even TLD, which is one of my all time favourites, gets turned off by the time they get to Afghanistan.
It's the nature of the beast, I'd say.
Yes, and I think the irony is with NTTD is that it doesn't go 'off the boil' like those other examples do. It might, if you like the ending, actually get better as a film - i.e. it is well made, the action and effects are good etc. I suppose the only issues I have with it is the thematic and narrative direction it goes in, rather than it being boring, or convoluted, or whatever other 3rd act problems the others have.
So I can see why some people like it - if they like that sort of thing and the direction the series has gone in recently. It really is an anomaly of a film.
Not that I only watch parts of the old films like you, I still like them enough to finish them haha.
Give me Felix and Bond drinking in a Jamaican night for the whole of NTTD and I would have been happy though...
Mental that you can't even sit through one of your favourites in its entirety. The makers of NTTD were on a hiding to nothing from the start. What is it bond says ' would've been nice to have had a chance?"
Oh, I can. But most of the times, I don't. That's all.
//The code name theory is utter rubbish, wouldn't happen. Makes no sense for the reasons already given.
However killing Bond wouldn't be as implausable as it first seems. For a start it could make for an amazing movie, died saving the world etc. It could work because why is it a given that every new movie has to push the timeline FORWARD, there are loads of gaps in between the older movies to do a story. A proper revenge plot directly after OHMSS for example.
It also wouldn't mean every movie would have to be period piece either because CR is based before Dr No. Reboots could still happen, new actors could still come and go, more emotional resonance could be built up because the audience would have the knowledge of what will happpen to Bond in the future.//
The above is a comment I posted in a Spectre thread back in August 2015. I've dug it back out in the sincere hope it might help anyone who is upset by the events of NTTD. My feeling has always been that if done well in a dramatic and rewarding way then killing Bond is fine. Absolutely fine. Now, whether it was done well is very much open to debate and isn't for me to say. However as a concept I'm ok with it because it does not mean the end of the franchise. It does not mean the end of the character. It doesn't even have to mean the end of this current timeline. They could, in theory, drop a stand alone film into the series to take place after the office scene at the end of SF. Or a series of films that take place after QOS to explain why Bond is an 'old man' in SF. Or no specific period at all and let the fans place it where they want to.
Ultimately, in my opinion, it does not matter in the grand scheme of the series what happens at the end of NTTD any more than it matters that Bond went to space. Having the knowledge that Bond does die at some point in his future? So what! We'll all have a death, we just happen to know when and how Bond's happens.
If it's not to your taste just chalk this up as an individual film you don't like and move on. We have many previous ones to still enjoy and we'll no doubt enjoy future entries.
Some of its bigger problems, for me, start with the letter M. Mallory's depiction; Mathilde; Madeleine and Bond's relationship; M. Nomi as an unnecessary character;...
Bond's death is no biggie for me. I liked the Jack London quote from YOLT.
I agree with you. While a YOLT novel style ending can sound appealing, it would mean Bond 26 would have to continue the continuity of the Craig era, which CR established as its own continuity or "universe" 15 years ago. It would be odd to see a new actor carry on Craig's continuity, as his era has always been its own pocket universe within the franchise from the beginning. The ending of NTTD was probably best in order to give Bond 26 and the new era a clean slate (no Madeleine Swann, Mathilde, Brofeld etc.). The modern audience is used to hero deaths (Logan, Endgame) and reboots without any explanation. I personally hope they return to the 50s and 60s for the next era, but I don't see that happening unless EON gives control of the franchise entirely to Amazon and/or new producers. If NTTD ends up being the final EON produced film, the ending would work even better IMO.
Better, yes. Still, a bit shoehorned, IMO. Vesper was more believable, for many reasons. But that's only my opinion.
@ThighsOfXenia:
I think they have a really good chemistry. Really enjoy all the scenes with the both of them.
But some people don't feel it. So you will have to decide for yourself.
What was your opinion of their dynamic in SP? In other words, do you feel they improved that connection in NTTD
I don't think it was handled well at all, that's the second audience I've been in were people either left the moment Bond died or left feeling somber like they exited a funeral. A couple next to me said they wouldn't have watched it if they known Bond was going to die
Upon second viewing I didn't buy the love story, perhaps it was the writing or the performance but regardless of how much they kissed, I doubt Bond would die for Madeline or even the child.
It didn't feel like a Bond film upon second viewing. I thought I'd get more out of it second time but knowing Bond's fate made it worse. I kept thinking is this it, after all the years of waiting this is the film that was delivered.
Daniel's performance was faultless, aside from some misplaced humour, but his performance couldn't carry the dramatic shift in tone and the leap in logic the audience had to take for the ending
I'll try and review it properly tomorrow but I doubt I'll do justice to others eloquently put points in other reviews. As a fan I felt let down simply put
They did improve it. Most people won't deny this.
@ThighsOfXenia
Yes, they improved a lot.
Apologises double post , please delete
HOWEVER.That ending was completely unnecessary and totally ruined the film ( and quite possibly the franchise ) for me.I didn’t even feel sad for Craig’s Bond I was never fully onboard with his portrayal of the character in the first place ( he had the physique but lacked the charm and charisma to play Bond ).It was just depressing and the audience I saw it with left the theatre in almost dead silence like a funeral.
I bet Indy is next on the chopping block.
The part about the couple saying that they wished they hadn’t seen it knowing that Bond would die. That’s the key for me. Repeat business is going to be way down for this movie. How many people would ‘unwatch’ NTTD if the could? For once, I’m glad I’m in the states and don’t get to see Bond early like Britain, Europe, etc.
Same here.
So farewell & take care Bond fans.
PS: NTTD still sucks big time.