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People have no issue with seeing Bond die.
A lot of people have an issue with seeing Bond die.
I am still not over it.
I can only reiterate:
1: Fine. Kill Bond. No biggie.
2: But make your mind up ffs. Is this a fun Bond or a dark one. TONE is EVERYTHING.
3: Licence to Kill, OHMSSS, Quantum: all 'dark'. All great imho. But Bond survived them which is the one note of hopeful rationale for enduring the darkness?
4: IF Bond goes down, he would go down with the ship. Not BY the sodding ship!
5: 'very fleming'. No, it isn't. Copying and pasting paragraphs from Ian's latter entries is proof of flogging a dead horse. There were no more novels. They failed to harness the short stories or simply remake, say, Moonraker, properly? Nobody can speak for Ian Fleming inc me. Yes, BUT: YOLT all but kills Bond and gives him a fairly blunt send off. That is a BOOK. Bot a mooooviee. Differing medium, heritage, character. THIS Bond? Even Craig-verse would have received a top flight funeral, no question. And THAT montage, maybe against a clip reel of his greatest hits as Bond theme rolled..THAT would have nailed it, for me. The scooby gang doing faux stiff upper lip..when the ENTIRE FILM is copiously urinating OVER that ethic? It just does not 'fit' the tone of the film, the series, or indeed Craig's run which, unless everyone forgot, actually got SOFTER and MORE sentimental as it went on. Hence my argument that if you do kill him: do it in Quantum, not here, or at least leave the stage with SKYFALL. Or just FIX THE SPECTRE SCRIPT!
Evidently, not that much.
Surely Cannes is even more political! And Berlin....I always get the impression that people willing to show up get prizes. Wes Anderson best director for Isle of Dogs? Peculiar choice.
Hmm... IMDB comment section. 19 of the 20 last comments deemed "most helpful" have severe issues with Bond dying. That's the voice of the largest movie community on the internet. It doesn't prove that a majority have issues with Bond dying, not a all, but it does prove that those who do, are voicing their opinion and being heard.
Vocal minority.
Judging from the box office/positive real world reactions this is likely another case of hardcore traditionalist fans,some of them,trying to think the Gp shares their negative opinion.
I've seen NTTD 3 times and each time I've seen the audience cheer and by the ending stunned emotionally. I want franchises I'm a fan of to go to places they've not tread because more often than not it pays off imo. NTTD is basically OHMSS with Bond as Tracy and I find that a bonkers and beautiful concept the ending emotionally delivers on.
Need to let the dust settle on this one before making an accurate assessment. Once a new actor steps into the role and a new film is out, then we will start to see the true reflections on this movie. And that's a few years away.
Brosnan's reign and the likes of DAD may have been hailed by many to be great back then, yet we all know where his reign and that film belongs now. CR became the new benchmark, and that was unfortunate for Brosnan and his swansong.
https://clip.cafe/diamonds-are-forever-1971/im-morton-slumber/
Bring on Bond 26 then! ;)
The most shocking thing about NTTD was that it took 25 films for Bond to cook scrambled eggs. I think the closest we got to that was AVTAK with the quiche.
That’s ridiculous. If this film wasn’t meant to appease/pander to Bond fans, why would they toss in all those references that only Bond fans could pick up on?
:)) Where did he cook scrambled eggs? I must gave missed that part? Surprising too, as that is the exact kind of thing I wanted to see.
I did like seeing Bond get a shower though. In fact pretty much all the Jamaica scenes were perfect for me.
Comments like these really make me fume! Everything we know about the production indicates the decision to kill Bond was a joint one. The producers wanted it, the director wanted it, the actor wanted it. And it is a highly interesting, unique stylistic choice. Whether you think it was a good decision or not is one thing, but dismissing it as an act to boost Craig's ego is frankly pathetique and very uncalled for!
It was when Mathilde took a bite and commented “not bad”.
I was pleasantly surprised to not have Bond's death be the stain on the film for me that I had feared it would be. I'm looking forward to seeing it again tomorrow evening. I'm even beginning to question whether I am still against Bond dying as a plot point in general. EDIT: No, I think I'm still quite against it.
That being said, I was somehow simultaneously even more disappointed than I had expected to be, seeing how contrived his death was. I agree with nearly everything Calvin Dyson on YouTube had to say about the ending. It did not feel like there was no other way, I felt no reason to rush the missiles and blow Bond up with the island. Bond's death felt in no way a natural ending to the film or to the Craig Bond arc. I think contrived the the best word to describe it. Very poor and lazy writing in my option.
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"Now, pay attention 007. I've always tried to teach you two things. First, never let them see you bleed."
- "And the second?"
"Always have an escape plan."
Whoops..
I'd love to have been a fly on the wall when Danny Boyle was there having discussions around the script and its ending. It would be interesting to know who in the camp was pushing for Bond's death, and who wasn't.
I’m sure they knew a few would be clutching their pearls, but trusted that many fans would actually love it. And so far, I’m seeing a lot more likes than dislikes.
I actually agree with you. But the thing is, and I have been misinformed I see, that I read countless of times, that Craig insisted that Bond had to go. Guess they were only rumors, then?
But, yeah, I don't see how killing off Bond boosts Craig's ego. I think everyone involved in the production knew very well the kind of reaction that we'd have, good and bad.
I truly believe my views would be made more positive with a clearer viewing, as there's plenty to adore in this film.
I do look forward to finding out what exactly Boyle’s script would have been. That will always be the most interesting behind the scenes info for NTTD.
If Matthew Field or AJ Chowdhury are on this forum crack on, I think you're the people for the job
Are we to regret that Bond didn't die in AVTAK just because he was played by RM who was older than Craig in NTTD?
It's okay there are other longtime, die-hard Bond fans who do not like it. It's okay if there are some fans of every age who don't like it. It is obvious now a lot of people like this movie. There are plenty of us who do appreciate and value NTTD a lot. Anyway, it will be interesting to see stats and more over the next year. Meanwhile, I am looking forward to seeing it for the 3rd time on Sunday. Cheers! B-).
A lady your age asked me and my cousin at the IMAX if we liked the film. She was so giddy about it that she stuck to the end for the “James Bond Will Return”.