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They have left no door open; Bond's vitals are shown to be zero on-screen.
Not to say they couldn't reopen the door in a future film, but I'd argue that saying they've left the door open, is false.
I don’t think they will pick up with the intro to TMWTGG (though I think they could cleverly weave it into a new continuity that could fit with Craig’s if you so choose), but you could easily write yourself out of that hole.
A barrage of missiles rained down directly on Bond; his death is pretty unambiguous. Trying to continue this storyline with him miraculously surviving would be insulting to Craig and the audiences who would be ask to unrealistically suspend their disbelief.
I don't think it would be insulting to anyone. Plus, that isn't really the point, which is that the film lines up very closely with You Only Live Twice, and in that novel, Bond ends up alive.
And please, the unrealistic suspension of disbelief is a feature of many of the Bond films - not a feature I particularly like, but this wouldn't be the first time.
All I'm saying is that the parallels to that novel are hard to ignore here. Why line so much of this up that way if not to use it? Just as a tribute to the book?
This is a pointless argument that will go around and around, so let's just get it all out and move on.
"Bond is dead."
"But he could be alive."
"But it's unlikely."
"Suspension of disbelief."
"But it's *very* unlikely."
"But they could do it."
"Yes they could but they probably won't."
"But they could."
"Yes, they could."
^:)^
Fair enough, and thanks!
Yeah, I don't disagree with any of that, and I'm not really looking to argue. More of a food for thought sort of conversation.
If they had blown him up, or killed him in some other way, without the You Only Live Twice parallels, the same discussion could take place, but perhaps more baselessly.
In this case, it seems like they structured it intentionally very close to (part of) the ending to one particular story, which story includes a sort of rebirth of Bond, and in that way dovetails very nicely with starting a new actor. Maybe it was just to give a path to continuing some elements of the current Bond world if they decide to go that route (like, for example, Ralph Finnes continuing). Or, if they want to wipe the slate totally clean, they can do it (though they could always have done that).
AS of now, this sums up perfectly my views on the film. And I think it will stick. I just need to watch it again. Any news on when the blu ray will be available? (as my local cinema sucks)
Leave it alone. He's dead and that's fine :).
(Welcome to the boards BTW. We've discussed this ad nauseum over the last three weeks so that's why people may be jumping on you a bit)
I appreciate that, thanks. I'm no stranger to forums generally (though generally Porsche-related) so was definitely expecting the standard reaction, particularly from the heavy-posters - par for the course. Useful for me to have gotten it out there and have the discussion and it hasn't done anything to convince me they didn't end it they way they did with some of the above in mind, but no need to beat this particular dead horse any further.
In other news, I'm very much looking forward to seeing this one again. There was a lot to digest and it seems as though a second viewing is helpful based on the portions of this thread I've read so far. Prior to Bond and '007' arriving on the island, I thought it was one of the strongest Bonds I'd seen in quite some time. Hopefully it'll hold up on round 2.
Welcome to MI6! And I don't think you are out to lunch on this at all! Great observations.
There should be an alternate ending where Craig is laughing on the front of a moving train. "the man who cannot die" . :D
This was my main frustration, as they were already halfway there with the ending to YOLT. They could have adapted the final chapter `Sparrows Tears', and it would have been just as tragic an ending. Instead they decided to take a different route.
I hear you. Again, the very clear link to You Only Live Twice is what prompts the questions, not an assertion that missiles don't kill people or that he wasn't in rough shape. No one is arguing that it would make sense now to wipe the slate clean for the next movie and leave the Daniel Craig Bond universe in the dust. Just asking questions given the clear parallels with that particular story.
Incidentally, I'm pretty sure the vitals were shown as 'not available' or similar but I might be wrong.
Thoughts of both Monty Python skits and the various onscreen Christopher Lee Dracula reincarnations come to mind here ...
... but Mr. Craig-Bond, he ain't never comin' back.
I'm happy to be proven wrong once this is on video for maximum scrutiny, but I'm 99.9% sure that's correct. They left a minuscule window there to proceed with this timeline, though it would be closer to "Daniel Craig's Bond is dead... but here's what would happen if he survived," than a straight-up continuation.
"'tisn't but a scratch!"
Very fair assessment:) I haven't seen any solid date yet. I guess it will depend on how long they keep it in theaters. I'm hoping by Christmas we get it but probably won't be till January 2022. There should be a digital PVOD after 45 days. Hopefully that happens.
That’s fair, the YOLT connection does muddy it a bit I suppose despite the legwork they put in to try and close that window of doubt.
Yeah exactly - they put in the legwork to kill him, but also seem to have put similar legwork into linking his death with a story in which he lives. It results in a bit of a question mark, and the answer I end up arriving at is they wanted to have an option of going either way with it for the next movie - clean slate or partial link back
I couldn't have said it any better myself, @JamesK :)
Thank you! Let's hope for Christmas then ;)
My wife is in the same boat, and didn't speak for a few minutes after the movie; but loved it.