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The film is making as much as it possibly could in these conditions, which is the opposite of a flop, unless we are now including in our criticisms that Bond wasn't somehow immune to an unprecedented global pandemic that still has vast amounts of the world unable to engage socially in a normal way
I absolutely get the point that you're making here, and I agree... but NTTD in the same league as those films? LOL.
Well, obviously not. 😉😉
I could say that you are sounding like a broken record as well @DarthDimi. You are repeating the same arguments because you enjoyed the film. And yes, I hate it. But I don’t see how it’s fair to single me out when others are doing the same thing. Are you now dictating that I can’t discuss the same points?
http://www.jpbox-office.com/fichfilm.php?id=18174
NTTD has cost 301 000 000 $ to make. Right now, the international box office is at 459 955 085 $. Now, I realize that there are a lot of things that go into the profitability of a movie, but still, seems to me that NTTD is making money right now.
Yes, I have no idea where the "needs to make 900 million to break even" number came from...? :-/ :-??
But they also don't pay for the whole budget either. Or all the marketing. Nobody has any idea what has to be made to turn a profit, but MI6 HQ made up the 928 million figure, and some people think that makes sense. They apparently think EON makes movies that have to outgross their predecessors to turn a profit and have also never heard about product placement.
Seems like an absurdly high number to me.
It is. MI6 HQ took the budget, added an assumed marketing cost, and basically doubled it (due to how much box office goes back to the filmmakers) to come up with it. They don't account for the fact that a huge part of the budget and marketing is covered by Heineken, DHL, Range Rover, et al.
If it's not profitable yet, I bet it will be soon.
The film has also already passed what they predicted the overall global box office would be. It's totally amateurish analysis.
Not sure I agree. I have spontaneously stated why I like the film, but not very often yet. Most of my efforts I have spent, not by trying to turn people who dislike the movie around, but by trying to point out the logical flaws in some arguments used against the film, including money = quality and the NTTD = anti-Fleming = bad film fallacy. And yes, I have repeated myself as such, because the arguments themselves have been repeated ad nauseam. I am absolutely okay with people saying NTTD is not for them. But some here seem very eager to find hard evidence for why I shouldn't like the film either. I am not doing the opposite, by the way. I am not trying to "demonstrate" with proof and fact why everyone ought to love this film. But when I read attacks against the film that I find unreasonably far-fetched or simply "false", I will debate said attacks. A broken record? Perhaps, but merely in answer to other broken records. It's been three weeks since I've seen the film for the first time. I posted my thoughts the next day. I didn't return the next day to repeat myself, and the day after that, and the day after that, ...
You are right that I shouldn't single you out. Fact is, I'm not. And yes, you can debate all you want. But you do understand that bringing up the same stuff over and over and over again is not the same thing as keeping a good debate going.
Look, I have no interest in starting a fight. Not over a film. But can we please move on? Raise a new complaint and I (and others) will happily comment on that.
Very popular, especially outside of America.
I have seen it 3 times. I just want the DVD out sooner. That's my ONLY complaint. B-)
Fair enough. I’m a reasonable person. I too am not looking for a quarrel, far from it. And I’m not tying to get people to dislike it, didn’t mean to come across that way, but I may have. I guess venting would be the correct word, but I shall move on. This movie really gutted me. No lies to tell.
At least will NTTD to do decently. It's the way you end up with B26 and who knows? B26 could be the greatest Bond movie ever - for you anyway, the beauty of opinions.
So you think, that EON/MGM/Universal get all the money you pay for the cinema ticket?
And the theatre gets $0?
On a worldwide average the production company/distributor gets 1/3 of the gross.
So when NTTD reaches $600 million, MGM and Co. will have earned about $200 million.
Of course we don't know the exact numbers. But that's all we can calculate with.
Assuming that budget is correct (which is their production budget) then yes, the breakeven point would br around the 800/900 million mark. Tent pole films of Bond's size aren't spending less than $150 Million to market. It's usually around the $200Million mark and when you factor the start and stop promotion, that cost gets even bigger. Let's say we use 300Million for production and 200Million for marketing that's (300M × 2) + 200M = $800 Million to breakeven.
So yeah, with a gross revenue of $460M so far, it's making money but it's a ways off to making a profit.
No Time to Die earned another $3.579 million on its third Friday, dropping 50% and setting itself up for a $12 million (-50%) third-weekend gross. That’ll give the 25th official James Bond movie a $120 million 17-day cume, with expectations now closer to $155 million than $185 million for a domestic finish. Still, the film will pass $500 million worldwide today, thanks to exceptional overseas business. It’s already the second-biggest Hollywood release of 2021 (behind F9’s $716 million finish), and it’ll end up well over Casino Royale ($600 million in 2006) to become the third-biggest 007 movie ever behind Spectre ($881 million) and Skyfall ($1.1 billion). That Dune is actually opening halfway decently is not great for Bond, but I’m guessing James Bond 26 will be closer to $200 million than $250 million and won’t open amid a global pandemic.
From all the disgruntled voices I've heard on here about not liking NTTD, I have yet to see any posts which reflect your summary - wanting a return of Bond treating women like meat and disrespecting foreign cultures. If anyone does have this opinion then it is one I definitely don't share either.
The general consensus here with the ones who don't like NTTD are the script, allowing Bond to just die, killing Felix, not using more of the Fleming novel YOLT, Craig's odd portrayal in certain scenes (interactions with M, Safin and Blofeld), the fact that the film starts brilliantly then nosedives after Cuba, Safin being underused as a villain, etc.
I could be wrong, but I've yet to see posters on here demanding a return to what you are suggesting above, and highlighting that as the reason why they dislike the movie so much.
And for the record, I don't want this film to flop. Not because I don't want EON to be punished for making the mistakes they did, but because I want the franchise to continue.
If NTTD did flop massively, it may put the brakes on the whole series, which I definitely don't want to happen.
1) It hasn’t flopped 2) Uncle Jeff is now onboard.
1) Great.
2) Who's Uncle Jeff?
Bezos, the supervillain.
Ahhh, that Jeff. Mr Amazon.
I wonder how much free reign EON will get now under his watch.
Well, you can calm down then, relax, and pour yourself a glass of wine: NTTD isn't a flop.
Too early for a glass of wine. I'm just about to hit the gym.
Trying to look like Craig in CR, are you? ;-) I get it. I wish I had the man's body. Good luck, mate!
Fat chance of that DD, `fat' being the operative word... <:-P