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I haven't said NTTD is a bad movie. From a technical standpoint it's probably at least competent. But I dislike the creative decisions behind the movie and that's why I currently have no plans to watch it.
Box office during a pandemic shows that a LOT of the general public, worldwide, have enjoyed this movie. It has proven to have legs. That's just clear.
It will remain rather controversial. But mostly among longtime or die-hard Bond fans. As far as the world is concerned, it's a hit. The Bond series is golden still. And the next Bond will be different. So for those who cannot stand NTTD, for whatever reasons, cheer up and focus on the next one and go entertain yourself with the previous films.
It's a popular Bond movie, has done great box office (again, during a pandemic which timing makes me suspect Spectre), and critical acclaim has NOT tanked on it either. I think it is safe to say as this point that we can consider NTTD a successful Bond film, whether you enjoy it or not.
Continual carping or heavy negativity starts to seem like bitterness. Is that fun for them? Or the other members?
And really, in this thread, NOBODY should be commenting on NTTD if they have not seen it. (See the thread's title is a hint.)
I don’t care, man
lol, thanks for telling me.
Those two plot points are not as huge as the hero dying. Making Bond’s death a tradition would lead to inherently lose the emotional punch and the meaning behind it. NTTD will be remembered as the one where Bond dies for a very long time.
Yep, it’s such a frustrating near miss. Good ideas undermined by wanting to stick to formula (thus Christmas Jones ruining the Elektra arc). Tired action scenes that sound fun and imaginative in conception and are well staged but are let down by and flat direction . An interesting location, The Caucuses, that turns out to simply be too shabby and not anywhere near glamorous or glossy enough to suit the Bond universe. A cool idea for a villian unable to feel pain or pleasure who actually turns out to be the henchman, played by great actor, but who is simply not utilised in the film in any interesting or striking manner. I vastly prefer TWINE to TND but it should have been so much better
+1 indeed :))
@sworddevil1 I didnt say that money determines if a film is good or bad... I said that the only thing that counts in the film industry is dollars and cents, because that will tell the money people whether their product is a hit with the general audience; it also determines if it's worthy of a follow up film, in most cases.
Taking a look at the numbers for NTTD, during a pandemic no less, and it's clear that the film is a huge hit with audiences. You don't make this amount of money without people returning for a second or third viewing.
Sorry if this doesn't fit your narrative.
I'm personally only mildly disappointed by the actual ending, it doesn't really bug me or make the film bad, as such.
It's the lack of entertaining action set pieces (apart from Matera) - which I DO expect from a Bondfilm -, the clumsy writing in the middle (Q's house, Belmarsh...) and the tired narrative of Bond being past it etc. that makes me feel lukewarm towards NTTD.
All this talk of the fatherhood/007 death aspect seems to be deflecting from the real weaknesses of it, as a Bondfilm.
Exactly. I've come to really like the movie but was upset at the ending. But it doesn't ruin everything great (with the exception of parts of the third act) for me.
Yeah I don’t think we’re going to be comparing death scenes for another few decades or so.
What I do think we might be doing though, if each actor is given his own clear cut continuity from now on, is comparing endings. Maybe one Bond will retire, maybe one will resign himself to life as a spy ala MR, maybe one will end up imprisoned. That kind of thing. And I find that exciting personally. I’d always wondered how each Bond’s story would end, and while I grew up with the old, loose ongoing continuity way of doing things, I think I like this new approach better. Just makes things more exciting imo, a bit more unpredictable. They could even manage a surprise ending if they wanted. We all knew Craig was leaving this time, so some of us saw his death coming, but what if they gave the next guy a similarly definitive ending, but kept it a secret? Tons of new storytelling possibilities.
Well spotted! Both Danish actors. Dencik was excellent in Top of the lake (NZ series) by the way... VERY different character than in NTTD.
He was also in 'Follow The Money' (Danish series), which I also enjoyed v much
Agreed - excellent actor. He was also in Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy and played Gorbachev in HBO's Chernobyl series.
For such a relatively small population (5,5mil?) the Danes sure as hell produce a lot of fine internationally coveted actors... Mikkelson, Jesper Christensen, Viggo Mortensen, Connie Nielsen, Dencik, Coster-Waldau, Brigitte Nielsen...
ok, last one was a joke :>
Hey now, I always liked her in Beverly Hills Cop 2 (not that that's a shining example of thespian-level acting or anything).
But you're right, they've certainly produced a lot of talent from over there. I'm a fan of all of them. Mikkelsen's brother, Lars, is great too. There's also Thure Lindhardt, who was excellent alongside Mads in Flame & Citron (Jesper's in that one, too).
Not to mention Mads' brother Lars and fellow Bond alumnus Ulrich Thomsen. The list of well-known Danish directors is also impressive: Lars Von Trier, Thomas Vinterberg, Susanne Bier, Nicolas Winding Refn, Bille August. Some of them would be a good fit to direct Bond.
They aren't in their 40's anymore, and the Bond are huge to produce. I think the possibility exist that they take an exec producer credit from now on and watch the brand crumble from afar just like it happened with the SW franchise which was killed and pulverised into dust with the sequel trilogy.
The studio and them might go where no Bond has gone before, and dust off the Young Bond script MGW made in 1985 (prior to TLD), and let a bland actor of the day like Timothée Chalamet sink the franchise counting Bond youth days.
That is one avenue.
The other is they keep close to their chest their property, and make a series of film that build upon what was explored in the Craig era (ie actual sequel, going in the direction Fleming was going with MWTGG).
I think the studio will push for Timothée Chalamet, despite that he can't carry a movie.