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Because Craig was the first Bond actor in over 40 years to deliver 2 classics. And played the role convincingly. And cracked a billion.
People on this forum are saying that Craig was sort of just forced because Barbara was personally obsessed with him. But it's not just Barbara. Millions of people love Craig as Bond to a greater extent than the 4 previous actors.
Let's make a James Bond Star Wars movie! A hit.
Let's make our new Bond a washed up loser who gets M killed! A hit.
Let's kill the rest of the characters & go full-on soap! A hit.
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“Classic” purely comes down to individual taste tbh. Like I think TLD and LTK are both Classics. Brosnan’s first 3 are classics (flaws and all). Nothing to take away from Craig of coarse, but it’s not like he’s the first Bond to deliver highly entertaining films since those 40 years.
Let's have our new Bond get married -- and his wife gets killed in the final minutes of the movie! And we'll make it really faithful to the Ian Fleming novel! BIG dud...
Why do you suppose that is? Maybe Eon has the right idea in not always listening to the fans...
Stop. You know why it was a dud- audiences wanted Connery, and they weren't prepared for that level of serious yet. Hell, they still weren't in 1989...
Hey Beatles, you seem to like my thread. I'm honoured!
Beatles, why the chip on your shoulder? Are you angry that NTTD has made some people angry-? I don't get it. You used to be much nicer for me to converse with....
You can’t expect negative comments about NTTD to just be in this thread.Any discussion of the film on these boards is going to bring up negative comments from its critics.
If Brosnan bashing is allowed on these Boards then Craig/NTTD bashing is allowed also.All we can do is expect people to respect each other’s opinion.There are fans here who love NTTD and I’m happy for them.I’m not one of them though.
Certainly. And, in fairness, it must be a little tough to have serious problems with this film in a community that is going to be mostly fans (probably) of any new material that comes out. I think this thread is a great idea, a sort of mini-community within the community where people can air grievances and problems with the film and not be continually rebuffed by those who like the film.
Of course negative opinions are welcome all around the forum, but if a thread like this can act like a lightning rod for them, or even a place to return to where you know people are more likely to be like-minded, then that's a great thing.
I wonder if it would have been a good idea to have a thread like this, or an "Everything WRONG with NTTD" thread from the get go
Because in an era where so many beloved franchises in recent memory have been getting
tainted by poor sequels and adaptations, having Bond follow suit with the same boneheaded decisions make me dread what the future will bring. Maybe that's just me being cynical but however they reboot Bond next, I don't see it going in a direction I'm going to enjoy. I think they are only going to double down on the melodrama from the Craig movies that have sadly been all too successful. I hope I'm wrong though.
Good thinking.
I'd have spent a lot less time being unpopular on the 'first impressions' thread! (I'm joking a bit).
I liked a lot of the movie, and I thought the nanobots idea was inspired. It's was bonkers, sure, but it was a good idea. If they hadn't have blown up daddy James Bond, the movie would have always been seen as "the one with the nanobots".
So do I, my good friend. 😉
Yeah, I left DAD with my head spinning...and though no more, end my misery now....
A problem i have with it is that with his death that every set up is trown a way so easy. Felix death i have more problems with on this moment. Blofeld death i don't understand after all screaming that aloud to use him again whyle of course there is always DAF twist.
Maybe not as flashy as being dumped down a chimney but I can't blame Bond for choking him, if someone told me 'cuckoo' I'd have a fit too.
Choking him, no problem. That's not so much what killed him as Heracles.
I feel like Heracles passed through Spectre from MI6 on it's way to Safin; you'd think they would have programmed a "Blofeld Fail-Safe", so that he and his genetics would be permanently immune or something.
God damn NTTD, terrible film. ;)
I think we define the word classic differently. By classic, I mean cultural impact, critical acclaim, influence. How it affects the landscape overall. Not just one person's opinion.
Just kidding, chris. I'm happy to have a conversation that doesn't devolve into name calling and finger pointing. The problem for me is, too many people make their point over and over and over again, the same point every time. It gets monotonous. I say my piece, respond to a few others making theirs.....and then go away for a few weeks. When I come back, it's the same people with the same point. You don't like NTTD. Sorry you don't like it, I hope the next one is more to your liking. But really, morning noon & night the same chorus: "I'll never see a Bond film again!" Really? Well then, I guess it's no use of me hoping the next one is more to your liking because you won't be in the theater to see it. You'll be in the forum complaining still, years later, raving about how awful NTTD was.
Not "you," specifically, just, y'know, SOME people. We're still good. Even if you DO like MR & it's not too high on my list. Hopefully, before too much longer, the forum's discussion of NTTD will be at a similar level of heat to that of MR or DAD or QoS.
Exactly. And I wouldn't want it to seem like negative opinions are only welcome in here; but just for this thread to sort of act as a pressure-release.
The point is, I'm not in favor Brosnan bashing either. I've defended him many times....gone away for a few months... and when I drop back in on those threads, it's the same people with the same lines. Aw, geeze, could you just give the painfaces a rest for awhile? It gets old, that's all...
A nice reference there @BeatlesSansEarmuffs. George H. would be proud. ^:)^
For what its' worth I spoke to a fellow Bond fan earlier this week since he finally got a chance to see NTTD. He hated it - and Bond's death was the sole reason why. "They killed the franchise !!!!", he complained. Then I asked him what he thought of the film prior to the ending, he told me: ".....I actually enjoyed it.
As for my thoughts, IF Daniel was going to come back for a fifth film, I don't see how you bring "his" character full circle, other than by the way EON/DC decided on. Ride off into the sunset with the Bond Girl on his arms? It's been done.
Maybe, I reconsider after I buy the DVD and have a chance to watch NTTD several times, but for now I think of the whole Craig era as a self-contained series.
Thumbs up my friend. Yes.
Perhaps that’s how you define the word, what’s classic to one person isn’t to another. There are plenty of films that didn’t have any of that at the time of their release, but are still regarded as Classics. If going by your definitions, the Dalton films are classics because how the positive reactions from critics and the hardcore fanbase at the time of their releases, and have in some way, paved the way for Craig’s run, so that accounts for Acclaim and Influence. The Brosnan era was the 2nd Big Cultural Phenomenon that happened within the franchise, as each film after Goldeneye kept making more money at the box office, and they had a huge impact at that time, introducing an entire new generation to Bond, so that accounts for Pop Cultural Impact. You’re welcome to disagree, but I’m just stating why I don’t think Craig’s era has been the only era in about 40 years to deliver “Classics.” Again this isn’t meant to take anything away from Craig, but to downplay the success and impacts of some of the other actors and their films just doesn’t ring true with me.
Someone made a good point on here about what makes a ‘classic.’ Do you expect to eventually see this film on Turner Classic Movies? I believe that’s a good gage. I think @007ClassicBondFan makes a great rubric for a classic in his first paragraph above.