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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I wonder what world the next Bond will play in.

    A post-COVID world? In a Bregret UK? With an ongoing war in Ukraine?
  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I wonder what world the next Bond will play in.

    A post-COVID world? In a Bregret UK? With an ongoing war in Ukraine?

    I don't think so, they never went too political when it came to plots.
  • edited November 2022 Posts: 910
    I don't think so, they never went too political when it came to plots.
    I feel like people, with time, underestimate political background of Cold War era Bond movies.

    In Dr. No, No plans to disrupt the real life Project Mercury space launch; both Goldfinger and YOLT more or less directly reference the rise of Communist China and its rivalry with USSR; Octopussy and TLD, with their portrayal of more progressive Soviet officials clashing with hardliners, echo the changes of the time within the Politburo... And I'm not even talking about the Soviet–Afghan War.

    These movies did not exist in a political vacuum, they were a direct reflection of the geopolitical developments of their time. Hinting at the pandemic or the war in Ukraine would not be more political than the past movies already were.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    The idea of Brexit wafts all over Skyfall. SPECTRE makes both more and less sense if you know that it is the first post-Snowden Bond film. CR was about financing international terrorism (in a way) and the US' fight against it in a post 9/11-world.
    Obviously it depends on how long it will take to get the film together and what the situation is then. I would be surprised if there is no mention of the new situation with Russia, but I would be equaly surprised if that was the main plot of the film.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I wonder what world the next Bond will play in.

    A post-COVID world? In a Bregret UK? With an ongoing war in Ukraine?

    lol the portmanteaus are getting out of hand with this. Waiting for #Brimstillintoit.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I wonder what world the next Bond will play in.

    A post-COVID world? In a Bregret UK? With an ongoing war in Ukraine?

    lol the portmanteaus are getting out of hand with this. Waiting for #Brimstillintoit.

    ;-)

    'Bregret' isn't mine, but I like it. There's another one I like even better: Brexsh*t. But I digress.

    The reason I'm bringing this up is because, indeed, the Bonds do talk politics. They don't directly attack people but they exist in 'our' world and they address some of the bigger topics of the moment via their plots, as @ImpertinentGoon explained.
  • DarthDimi wrote: »
    They don't directly attack people
    I think it's interesting though that China is the only country directly involved with the villains, consequently acting as antagonists in both Goldfinger and YOLT.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited December 2022 Posts: 3,799
    Here it is:

    Edit: Mr. Bond, we need you in this mission!

  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    MI6HQ wrote: »
    Here it is:

    Edit: Mr. Bond, we need you in this mission!


    She IS NOT a hero! Just because she’s a athlete she’s not that great. She badmouthed America! My country is wasted our time with getting her out of Russia. Now Putin has a henchman to use, with our prisoner exchange. Should have given us the marine who actually served his country. Brittany Griner looks like a James Bond or Indiana Jones henchwoman. Sorry about the rant everyone, this just proves my country cares more about athletes than the military veterans.

    As for a real idea for Bond 26, I have been noticing a lot about of drug addiction using materials that kill their customers. This draws me back to my ideas for adapting Forever and a Day as a modern day setting. This plot could be Irwin Wolfe and Jean-Paul Scipio’s main scheme, similar to the original book. Cast a strong female actress as Sixtine. The previous 007 could be Alec Trevelyan, a mentor to Bond. When he gets killed off, it could be a Easter Egg, or lay the foundation for future stories. Possible cameos by May and Charmian Bond. Just some ideas I have.
  • CigaretteLeiterCigaretteLeiter United States
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    I hope the next movie is relatively standalone. The response to Glass Onion and White Lotus shows that there's still some appetite for having one familiar character act as a through-line between installments filled with new and different characters. The trick is just not to let the formula get too stale.
  • Can't see why the Russians can't be the bad guys again in the Bond world. Putin isn't likely to be watching it anyway.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited January 2023 Posts: 5,970
    In my eyes it's just with everything that's going on it might be too risky. If they make a film that has the Russians as villains committing acts of terrorism and then suddenly something horrible happens and it's all over the news we'll end up with another situation like No Time To Die where the script has be changed because of real life relevancy.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    I wrote this in another thread to no real reaction, so I'll try again: What are your thoughts about a Bond war film? The UK military is active in various conflicts across the globe and I strongly suspect MI6 officers are active in and around warzones the UK isn't officially involved in (i.e. Ukraine atm). That's part of why you have spies after all.
    I don't necessarily mean this in a pitched battle film sense, but they could surely set a film in an active conflict zone. At least part of the run-time. And they can always do the classic Bond shuffle, were the background is a nation-state conflict (i.e. the Cold War), but Bond is working on a side thing where a rogue general is trying to use the conflict for their own gain or something.
    This would also allow for Bond's connection to the Royal Navy to be re-emphasized and might possibly be an option for a new origin. F.e. Bond starting out as a Navy Officer sent on a training/peacekeeping mission somewhere in Africa and when the conflict re-ignites due to the actions of [villain], he is pulled in by MI6 to settle this. That specific story would probably be too much of a "White Saviour" narrative, but you get the gist.
  • edited January 2023 Posts: 2,599
    One thing I’ll say is that the producers should try and keep the cast who play M, Moneypenny and Q, especially M and Q. Even though it’ll obviously be a reboot, I don’t think it’ll matter as they did keep Judi Dench for Craig’s first outing.

    Based on what I’ve seen, I think Aaron Taylor-Johnson would make a good Bond.

    I’d love a series of Bond films set in the fifties when the first half of the Fleming books took place but I won’t bother keeping my fingers crossed for this! :)

    I’d love to see Bond in the Navy at the beginning and then recruited to the service. This is a perfectly realistic idea. We’ve never seen Bond recruited to the service in the films. The closest we’ve obviously gotten is when he was promoted to double O status in Casino Royale. Obviously they should continue to focus on his character, drawing inspiration from the books and more proper spy work should be showcased. I want the films to continue being grounded in reality (in terms of the action) to distinguish them from the superhero films. Maybe they’ll return to the outlandish stuff though.

    I don’t enjoy the lighthearted action. I didn’t enjoy most of the Cuba scenes in No Time To Die. I loved Paloma though. Hell, they should bring Paloma (played by the same actress) back if the SIS staff remain the same.
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    I wrote this in another thread to no real reaction, so I'll try again: What are your thoughts about a Bond war film? The UK military is active in various conflicts across the globe and I strongly suspect MI6 officers are active in and around warzones the UK isn't officially involved in (i.e. Ukraine atm). That's part of why you have spies after all.
    I don't necessarily mean this in a pitched battle film sense, but they could surely set a film in an active conflict zone. At least part of the run-time. And they can always do the classic Bond shuffle, were the background is a nation-state conflict (i.e. the Cold War), but Bond is working on a side thing where a rogue general is trying to use the conflict for their own gain or something.
    This would also allow for Bond's connection to the Royal Navy to be re-emphasized and might possibly be an option for a new origin. F.e. Bond starting out as a Navy Officer sent on a training/peacekeeping mission somewhere in Africa and when the conflict re-ignites due to the actions of [villain], he is pulled in by MI6 to settle this. That specific story would probably be too much of a "White Saviour" narrative, but you get the gist.

    It depends on how it’s done. I’m not sure if I’d necessarily want Bond’s mission to be a peacekeeping operation or anything like that (seems a bit too run of the mill for a Bond film) but it might be interesting to have Bond be required to go to a location in which there’s conflict. A bit like how the game of Cold War between the Russians and the British in Istanbul in FRWL turns violent during Bond’s mission.

    I suppose another problem is that the films don’t want to evoke real life world events in quite that way. There’s a case for it too in the sense that a big part of Bond is the fantasy/escapism... but like I said it really depends.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited January 2023 Posts: 3,799
    Agreed with @007HallY here.

    I'm not on board with Bond being in a peacekeeping operation.
    And yes, that's the thing, he's a Naval Officer, a Commander, and I don't imagine or see a Naval Officer being in Peacekeeping operations in some places like Africa for example, they would be in Maritime, like investigating territorial disputes, searching along with Coast Guards about those missing ships or aircrafts that got crashed in an ocean for example or having some Military Naval Exercises in ships.

    But peacekeeping like those in Africa, Sudan, Syria or something like a Civil War Politics is definitely not a business of a Naval Officer.

    If it's just about the Spy side of Bond, then why not, but again, the British (Britain) needs to be somewhat involved, if there's no involvement by the Britain/British then what would be Bond's business in there?
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    I suppose Solo had a main plot of Bond having to stop a Civil War in an African country (by assassinating a rebel leader from what I remember?) Only read it once but I do remember the whole thing feeling a bit un-Bondian and a bit too ‘down to earth’ if that makes sense.

    I mean, Bond having to assassinate a mercenary or someone of that ilk in perhaps a fictional war torn country might be a good starting point (and might bring up some interesting ideas regarding MI6’s role in the whole thing) but again, I think it needs to be handled in through that layer of fantasy Bond is known for.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    007HallY wrote: »
    I suppose Solo had a main plot of Bond having to stop a Civil War in an African country (by assassinating a rebel leader from what I remember?) Only read it once but I do remember the whole thing feeling a bit un-Bondian and a bit too ‘down to earth’ if that makes sense.

    I mean, Bond having to assassinate a mercenary or someone of that ilk in perhaps a fictional war torn country might be a good starting point (and might bring up some interesting ideas regarding MI6’s role in the whole thing) but again, I think it needs to be handled in through that layer of fantasy Bond is known for.

    True, but what brought Bond there in the first place? Bond would only act if the Britain/UK was compromised.

    That's why it keeps bothering me in Die Another Day about the tension between North and South Korea had to do with Bond?

    The same for the Mujahideen thing in The Living Daylights, what was Bond's business with them? Was Britain connected to it?

    Agreed and it's not just down to earth but it's already out of Bond's league, for me Bond should only fight for England, or the missions at least should compromise England, not engaging in foreign civil wars.
  • edited January 2023 Posts: 4,230
    MI6HQ wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I suppose Solo had a main plot of Bond having to stop a Civil War in an African country (by assassinating a rebel leader from what I remember?) Only read it once but I do remember the whole thing feeling a bit un-Bondian and a bit too ‘down to earth’ if that makes sense.

    I mean, Bond having to assassinate a mercenary or someone of that ilk in perhaps a fictional war torn country might be a good starting point (and might bring up some interesting ideas regarding MI6’s role in the whole thing) but again, I think it needs to be handled in through that layer of fantasy Bond is known for.

    True, but what brought Bond there in the first place? Bond would only act if the Britain/UK was compromised.

    That's why it keeps bothering me in Die Another Day about the tension between North and South Korea had to do with Bond?

    The same for the Mujahideen thing in The Living Daylights, what was Bond's business with them? Was Britain connected to it?

    Agreed and it's not just down to earth but it's already out of Bond's league, for me Bond should only fight for England, or the missions at least should compromise England, not engaging in foreign civil wars.

    I don’t mind Bond getting involved with the Mujahideen (dated and questionable politics aside) because Bond just happens to end up in Afghanistan. It’s not like MI6 sent him on a mission directly involving them. Otherwise I very much see what you mean.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Bond in the SBS or SAS would likely do some of the peacekeeping activity mentioned.

  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    Bond in the SBS or SAS would likely do some of the peacekeeping activity mentioned.

    Yes, in SAS (and as long as Britain was concerned), but Navy? I don't think so.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited January 2023 Posts: 13,854
    MI6HQ wrote: »
    Bond in the SBS or SAS would likely do some of the peacekeeping activity mentioned.

    Yes, in SAS (and as long as Britain was concerned), but Navy? I don't think so.

    They might not sound it but they're surprisingly similar @MI6HQ. Compare to US Special Forces and Navy Seals.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Boat_Service



    I note the Sony dossier at the time of CR had detail of SBS Bond working with SAS as cross-over.

    https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond_21_007_dossier2
    Sea Service
    Cdr. Bond conducted his year of Sea Service with high recommendations from his Chief Petty Officers and Warrant Officers. He applied for and was uniformly recommended for work in Naval Intelligence.

    Early Service
    Bond served as an intelligence officer on HMS Exeter both before and during Operation Granby, and later was able to transfer to submarine service, touring on the HMS Turbulent. His natural abilities, mental quickness and confidence impressed his commanding officers. Within the year of being assigned to HMS Turbulent, it became apparent that Bond was not being sufficiently challenged with his duties. Cdr. Bond volunteered for Special Boat Service.


    Special Forces Training
    Cdr. Bond excelled at SC3 and Underwater and Aquatic Warfare training. He constantly equaled or bested his superior officers and instructors in all areas after nominal experience. Cdr. Bond earned the distinction of being the only candidate to entirely escape detection during the night limpet placement operation at Plymouth. There was some doubt as to whether Bond had actually accomplished the mission per the assignment until he demonstrated his rather ingenious method of eluding the underwater infra-red cameras and sonar systems in-place. His techniques were rapidly included in future training.

    Upon completion of UAW training, Cdr. Bond commenced Advanced Commando Parachute training at Brize Norton. Attached is a report from his instructor (name omitted):
    Lieutenant Bond participated in the first group freefall exercise today, where the following incident occurred: At 700 m. 3 rd jumper Lt. Cameron' s ripcord pin sheared, and he panicked. 4th jumper Lt. Bond spotted Cameron, and at great personal risk, repositioned himself to aerially intercept Lt. Cameron at approx. 300m, and deploy Lt. Cameron' s chute. Lt. Bond deployed at 150 m. Lt. Cameron shattered his hip upon landing, although Lt. Bond escaped without serious injury.  


    Bond' s record with training earned him placement with the 030 Special Forces Unit, rather than deployment as a swimmer-canoeist with the standard SBS Units in Poole. During further training with 030 SFU, Cmd. Bond earned certifications for the operation of assault helicopters, Harrier-class jets, fixed wing aircraft, hovercrafts, marine assault vessels, armored vehicles, and other crafts.

    030 Special Forces Unit
    Cdr. Bond served with distinction in the 030 Special Forces Unit. He proved adept at training other candidates, initiating athletic competitions, and fostering a creative environment. During his three-year tenure with the 030 SFU, Cmd. Bond rose to the rank of Lieutenant Commander. He saw covert service in Iraq, Somalia, Iran, Libya, and active service in Bosnia. Upon completion of his duties in Bosnia- where Bond was credited with saving the lives of nearly 100 men from a Serbian militia in one village- Bond was recruited by the RNR Defence Intelligence Group and awarded the rank of Commander. 


    Note the similar-sounding 030 Special Forces Unit, to Fleming's own No. 30 Commando or 30 Assault Unit (30AU), specialist intelligence troops.
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  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    Thanks for all the input, chaps.

    I think there are some ways for Bond being involved in land based missions, while being a Navy officer. One would be f.e. that he already is seconded to Defence Intelligence and while officially in the Navy doesn't exclusively work on Naval Assignments. Another idea would be that of course there are also Naval elements to some of these missions. The European Union (when the UK was still a member) ran a Naval operation protecting shipments from Aid organizations from Somali pirates. That wasn't part of the UN peacekeeping mission in connection with the Somali civil war, but I don't think it would be that hard for screenwriters to throw that in a stew and make it an engaging story about a Naval Intelligence Officer on a boring patrol mission suffering from accidie, wanting to get into more hands-on action and wouldn't you know it a ship supposedly carrying medical supplies financed by an excentric British billionaire is being attacked, but there is something unexpected on the ship and you go from there.

    However, that is neither here nor there, as I think that part of the idea is in total too flawed to be rescued after all. The biggest one, I think is that it's just not escapist enough and would either be too close to real-world politics or just silly if they make up a country.
    And finally, the more I think about it, the less I like the idea of another Origin film. I actually don't need to see him recruited and finally get called 007 with the score swelling at the end of it. Marvel has kind of killed that stuff for the moment. There's no need to get cute with it.

    I still think there's something in Bond's mission placing him in a conflice zone for a set piece. The idea needs more work though.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Yes, MGW's recently said that Bond's 'already a veteran' by the time he's in MI6 - if they stick to that, it reduces the likelihood of an origin story. Which is no bad thing - I'd prefer it if we found out about his past bit by bit as and when it was relevant to the plots, rather than have it all laid out in one go.
  • SilvermothSilvermoth Australia
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    I was listening to this podcast the other day but now sport used to be the part of the newspaper that was saved to last but in recent years suddenly it’s become world defining. For example, a few years ago it was revealed the Russians were buying up soccer (football) teams to get around sanctions and influence foreign countries.

    I love the idea of Bond getting involved in sport corruption and being forced into dealing with, like extreme sports for action sequences
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    Silvermoth wrote: »
    I was listening to this podcast the other day but now sport used to be the part of the newspaper that was saved to last but in recent years suddenly it’s become world defining. For example, a few years ago it was revealed the Russians were buying up soccer (football) teams to get around sanctions and influence foreign countries.

    I love the idea of Bond getting involved in sport corruption and being forced into dealing with, like extreme sports for action sequences

    Like have the villain be a Dietrich Mateschitz knock-off and Bond has to investigate the in-universe counterpart of Red Bull? I like that. Extreme sports is always a bit of a gamble. Some of it can come off as silly if not done well and doesn't age terribly great (see xXx, f.e.), but a good director can make some amazing sequences out of that.
    You do run into the problem that pretty much every sport imaginable is professional now and the days were the top performers were gentlemen amateurs and someone like Bond could waltz in and at least hang with them with little to no training on pure reflexes and pain tolerance are long gone. So you always have to do some contortions to have Bond involved. Maybe as a crewmember or something, depending on the sport?
    While on the topic of sports, I would love an F1 connection, but I guess that is just too complicated. Maybe the Dakar Rally would be an option (where Red Bull is heavily involved, the that may be a connection to your idea).
    The other is slightly silly, but I think the Cresta Run would be a fun old-school inclusion in a Bond film. It is mentioned in the OHMSS novel that Bond did it once, but I feel they could do it really well in a film. It's one of those things that is still done by amateurs and it's not that hard to get to go down it, compared to a World Cup downhill ski run or whatever. Plus, at that point you're in St. Moritz and can do a lot of the High Society stuff you'd want in a Bond film.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited January 2023 Posts: 3,799
    It's like have Bond participate in Olympics, have him go undercover as one of the players of Great Britain for example like in Ice Hockey?

    Let's say the Olympics is set in London (the host country).

    MI6 would send Bond to investigate a threat, for example like one of the judges had been killed, there would be an assassination attempt that will happen at the Olympics ceremony, there's a bomb planted in one of the Olympic venues, or one of the Olympics Sponsors is actually a villain.

    Bond's mission is to undercover as one of the olympians/athletes, and he would be facing different opponents, that he didn't know that some of those other players were actually the henchmen of the said villain.

    Then of course, there would be a Bond Girl, an Olympic Swimmer whose hired by the CIA to spy for the Olympics for example.

    It would be great, seeing Bond investigating while playing in Olympics, and at the same time trying to make sure that the said event would be safe.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    Like I said, it's a bit much to have him actually compete in a sport for Great Britain. The level is just too high for him to actually go undercover and not stick out like a sore thumb. But especially with something like the Olympics there are loads of other roles he could go undercover as that still allow you to do some nice intercut sequences. Think Tosca in QoS, but instead of an Opera, it's a short track race. Or the 100m final or whatever.
    I don't think they'd ever get permission to actually film at the Olympics and call it that. But maybe they can copy FYEO a bit and have a sequence set at a winter sports town where many different Olympians are training...

    Btw, the ice hockey thing made me remember a Jean-Claude Van Damme film where he ends up playing goalie for the Pittsburgh Penguins for a few minutes:
  • I still think Bond should take on the Russians again. Smersh reimagined?
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