Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • Posts: 939
    Benny wrote: »
    That would be a hard no from me, I’m afraid.

    No surprises there. I've had girlfriends that were easier to please.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Benny wrote: »
    That would be a hard no from me, I’m afraid.

    No surprises there. I've had girlfriends that were easier to please.

    I'll take that as a compliment.

    A dual wielding Bond is something I don't think we need. Bond doesn't need to have multiple weapons to beat the bad guys. He sometimes uses them, but its more akin to other action stars. Bond is mostly known for carrying a pistol. Usually the infamous Walther PPK. I'm happy with that.
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
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    Benny wrote: »
    Benny wrote: »
    That would be a hard no from me, I’m afraid.

    No surprises there. I've had girlfriends that were easier to please.

    I'll take that as a compliment.

    A dual wielding Bond is something I don't think we need. Bond doesn't need to have multiple weapons to beat the bad guys. He sometimes uses them, but its more akin to other action stars. Bond is mostly known for carrying a pistol. Usually the infamous Walther PPK. I'm happy with that.

    Are you absolutely sure about that? Norris for next Bond!

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  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    Bond, imo, should be a precise assassin, not someone who indulges in two-gun carnage.
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    And me mate, @Benny happy with a single pistol. A scene with two could still wow. 4sAO.gif
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    As far as I recall, Pierces dual wielding of weapons in TND is the only time Bond has done this?
    I think there is a reason we don’t see it more often.
    As @sandbagger1 said, Bond is an assassin, a PPK is sufficient, with silencer it always excites me as too what could be coming. And when necessary Bond could and should wield a machine gun. If called for.
    So I’m not in agreement with you on this old chap.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    edited March 2023 Posts: 2,641
    I didn't mind Bond swapping between his walther and the machine guns in the fight leading to the stairs at the end of NTTD, because that felt frantic and like he'd do anything to survive

    In the early Brosnan era it just felt a bit too Rambo for me at times, like he was too quick to pick up a machine gun and fire in that general direction. Like @sandbagger1 put it perfectly Bond should be a precise assassin.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I didn't mind Bond swapping between his walther and the machine guns in the the fight leading to the stairs at the end of NTTD, because that felt frantic and like he'd do anything to survive

    In the early Brosnan era it just felt a bit too Rambo for me at times, like he was too quick to pick up a machine gun and fire in that general direction. Like @sandbagger1 put it perfectly Bond should be a precise assassin.

    Love that scene in NTTD.
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    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I didn't mind Bond swapping between his walther and the machine guns in the the fight leading to the stairs at the end of NTTD, because that felt frantic and like he'd do anything to survive

    In the early Brosnan era it just felt a bit too Rambo for me at times, like he was too quick to pick up a machine gun and fire in that general direction. Like @sandbagger1 put it perfectly Bond should be a precise assassin.

    That was a reaction I had to the TND climax. Just didn't seem right.
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I didn't mind Bond swapping between his walther and the machine guns in the the fight leading to the stairs at the end of NTTD, because that felt frantic and like he'd do anything to survive

    In the early Brosnan era it just felt a bit too Rambo for me at times, like he was too quick to pick up a machine gun and fire in that general direction. Like @sandbagger1 put it perfectly Bond should be a precise assassin.

    Love that scene in NTTD.

    Me, too.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Bond being a Royal Naval Commando makes him being willing to use heavy duty weaponry fine to me. It's not out of character at all, and used sparingly makes it very effective.

    Dropping the character into a Russian prison is a distinctly perilous thing to do, and fitting. Having him fight his way out with a PPK and a grappling belt buckle is ridiculous and actually not what a real spy would do. The same goes for the TND finale. I like that he was on his own. It raises the stakes. When Bond is supported by an army, I often found it dull. Make him work for his victories, the odd time.

    When he pulls out explosive tipped arrows, and starts blowing up soldiers, then I'll accept the Rambo comparisons.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    @CraigMooreOHMSS I agree about the army support, I too find it dull. There's something special about one man vs the enemy

    It's not really related, but I love that moment at the end of Skyfall, when Bond drops his father's rifle, walks into the house and flicks the machine gun into his hands without breaking stride.
    It's such a cool Bondian moment, like it's just another day at the office
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    It seems like ATJ is hot the favourite right now and if he ends up being the next bond all I'll say is someone needs to coach him on how to carry himself with class and sophistication. I would need to see a genuine transformation from the "likely lad" persona he often portrays before I'm won over.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Despite being the hot favourite right now, that's not to say ATJ will be in the running for Bond. Who knows how far into the casting process EON are.
    Story and director will likely come first. By that time, ATJ may be a distant memory.
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    Benny wrote: »
    As far as I recall, Pierces dual wielding of weapons in TND is the only time Bond has done this?
    I think there is a reason we don’t see it more often.
    As @sandbagger1 said, Bond is an assassin, a PPK is sufficient, with silencer it always excites me as too what could be coming. And when necessary Bond could and should wield a machine gun. If called for.
    So I’m not in agreement with you on this old chap.

    Make that three. Bond is not a carnage machine, when he kills he has to be precise, focused. Yes, he can use a machine gun from time to time, but dual wielding belongs to other action movies (and personally, I find them excessive even then and not really engaging). I never liked that scene in TND.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    As far as ATJ being a frontrunner , I'll just say, Clive Owen.
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    It seems like ATJ is hot the favourite right now and if he ends up being the next bond all I'll say is someone needs to coach him on how to carry himself with class and sophistication. I would need to see a genuine transformation from the "likely lad" persona he often portrays before I'm won over.

    Actually, this is an interesting thing to think about when it comes to the next Bond - that's to say there needs to be the right honing of the candidate's natural strengths (charisma, screen presence, acting ability etc) alongside the more 'artificial' aspects of preparation for the character - the clothes, the accent for some actors, perfecting the ability to come off as 'sophisticated'. They did this especially well with Connery. He wasn't typically 'Bondian' going from the majority of their previous roles, and certainly not as a person. He got the suit fittings, lessons in etiquette, but I'd argue he wasn't 'transformed' into James Bond. Connery kept the natural twang of his Scottish accent, and they crafted a more wise cracking, larger than life version of the character that suited Connery's natural onscreen confidence than a more strict adaptation of Fleming would have.

    In that sense no actor is transformed into James Bond, interestingly. Each actor brings their strengths and unique qualities to the role. It'll be the same with the next actor whether that's ATJ or not.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited March 2023 Posts: 8,395
    the real question is do we have a natural Terrence Young for our time? someone to cultivate the right manner and presence into the actor. Peirce and Craig had Campbell to guide them, I suppose Nolan could be seen as the closest thing nowadays, he doesn't allow cell phones on set and has a very "old ways are the best" approach generally.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    talos7 wrote: »
    As far as ATJ being a frontrunner , I'll just say, Clive Owen.

    That's a really good point actually. If we're say hopefully two, possibly three years from Bond 26, has ATJ's odds peaked too soon?

    Surely they'd need a director in place to direct the screentests too, like Campbell did for Casino?
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited March 2023 Posts: 3,152
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    There's something special about one man vs the enemy
    Yes, absolutely. C might've disparaged it as 'One man in the field with his licence to kill', but that's not a criticism to me - it's the essence of it. Agreed re. the kills -v- carnage stuff too. I've never thought of Bond as an action hero per se. Yes, there's elements of it in there, but machine guns blazing probably isn't why any of us are on here. 'One man vs the enemy' is far more likely, I'd say.
  • Posts: 4,139
    the real question is do we have a natural Terrence Young for our time? someone to cultivate the right manner and presence into the actor. Peirce and Craig had Campbell to guide them, I suppose Nolan could be seen as the closest thing nowadays, he doesn't allow cell phones on set and has a very "old ways are the best" approach generally.

    Good point. And yes, you're right, they need a director who understands Bond and can guide the actor along in certain regards.

    But that said I think these things are more of a team effort than some people realise, and not just about a single director magically transforming the actor into Bond.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    talos7 wrote: »
    As far as ATJ being a frontrunner , I'll just say, Clive Owen.

    Clive Owen never did an underwear spread for Calvin Klein at the peak of his Bond rumors, while potentially about to launch a major Marvel franchise, like ATJ. Clive Owen's wife didn't direct a Bond actor. Clive Owen wasn't regularly invited to Bond events.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    As far as ATJ being a frontrunner , I'll just say, Clive Owen.

    Clive Owen never did an underwear spread for Calvin Klein at the peak of his Bond rumors, while potentially about to launch a major Marvel franchise, like ATJ. Clive Owen's wife didn't direct a Bond actor. Clive Owen wasn't regularly invited to Bond events.

    Point being he was seen by many to be a shoe in.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited March 2023 Posts: 5,970
    Firstly, some of you really haven’t seen a lot of his work and it shows. I also feel like this website is looking for James Bond in the actor, rather than realising it’s called acting for a reason, and it’s worth noting that nothing ever needs to be proved to us, just to EON. I get people aren’t into him which is fine but I’m seeing a lot personal opinion informing where they think his chances are with EON as if we know how they think.

    I also want to say that this is very different situation to Clive Owen. If anyone fits that bill it’s the Elba’s and the Cavill’s. ATJ, while mentioned by myself quite a few times over the years, was never taken seriously here until his name leaked in the press.

    Again he might not get it, for sure. For all we know he could end up being the villain? But it’s just as likely that he might and that he could pull it off despite whatever people may think of his voice or how he “carries himself”. Again it doesn’t matter what we think. It matters what Barbara, Michael or even Greg thinks. I’m not trying to stop people from sharing their thoughts. Far from it but I do think we sometimes treat it as if we’ve got this all figured out and that we know how he may be judged by EON because of things of the past. The way things are done have greatly shifted, generationally and behind the scenes, and it would come as no surprise to me if we knew who the actor was before it was officially announced. We seem to learn a lot about big franchises before producers intend it nowadays.

    I’ll be honest I don’t really know what I’m saying anymore haha :D
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    I'd agree that the new Clive Owen is more like Idris Elba, Henry Cavill or Adrian Turner. ATJ might be the next Brosnan, for all we know, although I think the time for heirs apparent for Bond is over.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Has Alex Pettyfer ever been mentioned; My 26 year old daughter is a huge fan.


  • LucknFate wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    As far as ATJ being a frontrunner , I'll just say, Clive Owen.

    Clive Owen never did an underwear spread for Calvin Klein at the peak of his Bond rumors, while potentially about to launch a major Marvel franchise, like ATJ. Clive Owen's wife didn't direct a Bond actor. Clive Owen wasn't regularly invited to Bond events.
    Kraven may cost ATJ the Bond role. EoN doesn't like their guys doing Marvel if you believe the rumors of Daniel Craig having to turn down Thor in 2008.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    For me Henry Cavill is this generations Clive Owen, not ATJ.

    I'm not a big fan of either but I'd take them over some of the suggestions people seem to think are suitable nowadays (though I would prefer ATJ to Cavill any day as he at least seems to have some personality and isn't a block of wood).
  • Tabloid touts Daisy May Cooper as new 'M'
    https://www.mi6-hq.com/news/tabloid-touts-daisy-may-cooper-as-new-m-230322
    She appears to be a comedian. Campy Bond is back on the menu boys.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    It’s The Sun, it’s not going to happen.
  • KronsteenKronsteen Stockholm
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    Screentest wrote: »
    Tabloid touts Daisy May Cooper as new 'M'
    https://www.mi6-hq.com/news/tabloid-touts-daisy-may-cooper-as-new-m-230322
    She appears to be a comedian. Campy Bond is back on the menu boys.

    The most interesting part is Waller-Bridge though. Feels extremely plausible that she should be invited back for B26 by Babs.
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