Which Bond novel are you currently reading?

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  • CharmianBondCharmianBond Pett Bottom, Kent
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    I'll jump on the TSWLM appreciation train too. It's in the top five for me, I love how different and experimental it is and for Fleming to write such a vivid and well-realised female character that Bond showing up to rescue her doesn't feel like a cheat. And Sluggsy and Horror are so intimidating as villains because of how real their threat is. It's a wonderful piece of suspense.
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    I think Fleming does a good job with Viv as a character, and the book in general is a pretty solid read. My only issue is that I feel the ending kinda betrays what Fleming was trying to do. Bond essentially walks out on Viv (kinda mirroring what all the other men have done to her) and she then gets this mini-lecture from the Policeman about not getting involved with people like Bond. It's solid advice, and I always feel we're heading towards a moment of reflectiveness from Vivian, but instead she claims that all her 'scars have been healed' from what she went through the previous night, and Bond in her mind is depicted as this wonderful figure who swooped in and saved her. She almost comes across as naive in that final passage to me. For me it's just a slight misstep in an otherwise interesting novel. Other than that it's very vividly written though, and it's a book I always enjoy revisiting.
  • ThunderballThunderball playing Chemin de Fer in a casino, downing Vespers
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    007HallY wrote: »
    I think Fleming does a good job with Viv as a character, and the book in general is a pretty solid read. My only issue is that I feel the ending kinda betrays what Fleming was trying to do. Bond essentially walks out on Viv (kinda mirroring what all the other men have done to her) and she then gets this mini-lecture from the Policeman about not getting involved with people like Bond. It's solid advice, and I always feel we're heading towards a moment of reflectiveness from Vivian, but instead she claims that all her 'scars have been healed' from what she went through the previous night, and Bond in her mind is depicted as this wonderful figure who swooped in and saved her. She almost comes across as naive in that final passage to me. For me it's just a slight misstep in an otherwise interesting novel. Other than that it's very vividly written though, and it's a book I always enjoy revisiting.

    To me, Vivienne, by the end of book had seen that not all men could break her heart, disappoint her. Bond had proved that to her. So she ends the novel hitting the road again, with a new perspective on men. I like to think that perhaps she would eventually find someone who wouldn't let her down, who could be good to her, and she would belong in his world and him in hers, unlike Bond's world.
  • I finished Dr. No, and as I expected I loved the ending. It was simply wonderful. I think it is the strongest climax in any of the Bond novels. The obstacle course is incredible, Bond's killing of the other guards happens quite well, and the escape of Honey and with her is really good. Any concerns about their relationship disappear in the dragon buggy onward, and Bond's slight rebellion to the authorities at the end is quite a nice resolution. Ranking it has given problems, specifically in comparison to Live and Let Die and Trigger Mortis. LALD has a lot of the interesting things in Dr. No, but it's spread out more and the climax isn't as impressive. However that spread means it has a more interesting first half than Dr. No. I suppose I'll balance it by giving them the same rating. So Dr. No finishes on 8/10
  • ThunderballThunderball playing Chemin de Fer in a casino, downing Vespers
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    Dr. No was the most "edge of my seat" of all the Fleming novels for me. It was a blast to read. Ranked at #2 for me, though that might perhaps change someday, meaning, go higher. It's an utterly phenomenal book.
  • edited May 31 Posts: 4,310
    007HallY wrote: »
    I think Fleming does a good job with Viv as a character, and the book in general is a pretty solid read. My only issue is that I feel the ending kinda betrays what Fleming was trying to do. Bond essentially walks out on Viv (kinda mirroring what all the other men have done to her) and she then gets this mini-lecture from the Policeman about not getting involved with people like Bond. It's solid advice, and I always feel we're heading towards a moment of reflectiveness from Vivian, but instead she claims that all her 'scars have been healed' from what she went through the previous night, and Bond in her mind is depicted as this wonderful figure who swooped in and saved her. She almost comes across as naive in that final passage to me. For me it's just a slight misstep in an otherwise interesting novel. Other than that it's very vividly written though, and it's a book I always enjoy revisiting.

    To me, Vivienne, by the end of book had seen that not all men could break her heart, disappoint her. Bond had proved that to her. So she ends the novel hitting the road again, with a new perspective on men. I like to think that perhaps she would eventually find someone who wouldn't let her down, who could be good to her, and she would belong in his world and him in hers, unlike Bond's world.

    Fair enough. I don't mind her optimism, but I think just in terms of execution Vivian comes across as a bit too naive about Bond and what she's been through. It reads less like she's come through on the other side after this incident with a new perspective on things more than she's actively ignoring the Policeman's words of warning. I always got the sense that she could just as easily fall into the same problems with men she had before. It's a bit strange considering Fleming himself seemingly wrote this book to counteract some readers who idealised Bond and he was great at writing those reflective passages. I guess it was due to him wanting to end the book on that optimistic final note and in a succinct way.

    But like I said, I think it's a cool book otherwise. I can easily imagine a future Bond film being built around the premise of Viv having gone through that type of ordeal, the villains returning to get her months/years later, and her having to seek out Bond again. If Fleming's wises would allow for such an adaptation.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited May 31 Posts: 4,703
    Count me in as a fan of TSWLM novel as well. I think it could be interesting for IFP to try having a first person narrated Bond novel again. By either Bond himself, the main villain(s), or the man Bond Woman again. Dynamite Comics has done with their M, Moneypenny and Felix Leiter stories. Also, their adaptations of Casino Royale and Live and Let Die do it. Van Jensen called it Bond Vision. It could be an interesting story choice to try again.

    Also, I've just started reading License Renewed. This is a first time read, for John Gardener Bond in general.
  • CharmianBondCharmianBond Pett Bottom, Kent
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    I've just finished A Spy Like Me and predictably I think it's excellent. It's a proper rollercoaster with all of its twists and turns and had my heart physically racing and for the amount plot it has to juggle it never feels weighed down. I love the subjectivity of the writing and how the Fleming canon is being used to complement the original characters who stories who continue to go from strength to strength. I remain convinced in my view that Harwood is one of the best Bond women but I also really liked how Dryden's story is fleshed out.

    And that cliffhanger has me on tenterhooks. I want to read book 3 so badly but I don't want this series to end.

  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited June 1 Posts: 4,703
    I've just finished A Spy Like Me and predictably I think it's excellent. It's a proper rollercoaster with all of its twists and turns and had my heart physically racing and for the amount plot it has to juggle it never feels weighed down. I love the subjectivity of the writing and how the Fleming canon is being used to complement the original characters who stories who continue to go from strength to strength. I remain convinced in my view that Harwood is one of the best Bond women but I also really liked how Dryden's story is fleshed out.

    And that cliffhanger has me on tenterhooks. I want to read book 3 so badly but I don't want this series to end.

    Spoilers please. Namely, classic characters that appear.
  • CharmianBondCharmianBond Pett Bottom, Kent
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    I've just finished A Spy Like Me and predictably I think it's excellent. It's a proper rollercoaster with all of its twists and turns and had my heart physically racing and for the amount plot it has to juggle it never feels weighed down. I love the subjectivity of the writing and how the Fleming canon is being used to complement the original characters who stories who continue to go from strength to strength. I remain convinced in my view that Harwood is one of the best Bond women but I also really liked how Dryden's story is fleshed out.

    And that cliffhanger has me on tenterhooks. I want to read book 3 so badly but I don't want this series to end.

    Spoilers please. Namely, classic characters that appear.
    Draco, Mathis and Lisl Baum. And Felix, Tiger and Trigger reappear from Double or Nothing.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    I've just finished A Spy Like Me and predictably I think it's excellent. It's a proper rollercoaster with all of its twists and turns and had my heart physically racing and for the amount plot it has to juggle it never feels weighed down. I love the subjectivity of the writing and how the Fleming canon is being used to complement the original characters who stories who continue to go from strength to strength. I remain convinced in my view that Harwood is one of the best Bond women but I also really liked how Dryden's story is fleshed out.

    And that cliffhanger has me on tenterhooks. I want to read book 3 so badly but I don't want this series to end.

    Spoilers please. Namely, classic characters that appear.
    Draco, Mathis and Lisl Baum. And Felix, Tiger and Trigger reappear from Double or Nothing.

    Thank you!
    Who is Lisl Baum from the classic stories again? Also, could Blofeld and SPECTRE be behind the events of everything?
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited June 2 Posts: 13,941
    Same as the film really.
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    For Your Eyes Only, Ian Fleming, 1960.
    "Risico"
    Signor Kristatos put his hand up to the cheroot in his mouth. He kept the hand there and spoke softly from behind it. "Is a man they call 'The Dove', Enrico Colombo. Is the padrone of this restaurant. That is why I bring you here, so that you may see him. Is the fat man who sits with a blonde woman. At the table by the cassa. She is from Vienna. Her name is Lisl Baum. A luxus whore."

  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Same as the film really.
    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ7rytRWfLNsLDe9p_D855FBZFooFuk-5JFVxE04LzGxdgztZxK
    For Your Eyes Only, Ian Fleming, 1960.
    "For Your Eyes Only"
    Signor Kristatos put his hand up to the cheroot in his mouth. He kept the hand there and spoke softly from behind it. "Is a man they call 'The Dove', Enrico Colombo. Is the padrone of this restaurant. That is why I bring you here, so that you may see him. Is the fat man who sits with a blonde woman. At the table by the cassa. She is from Vienna. Her name is Lisl Baum. A luxus whore."


    Thank you both!
  • CharmianBondCharmianBond Pett Bottom, Kent
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    I've just finished A Spy Like Me and predictably I think it's excellent. It's a proper rollercoaster with all of its twists and turns and had my heart physically racing and for the amount plot it has to juggle it never feels weighed down. I love the subjectivity of the writing and how the Fleming canon is being used to complement the original characters who stories who continue to go from strength to strength. I remain convinced in my view that Harwood is one of the best Bond women but I also really liked how Dryden's story is fleshed out.

    And that cliffhanger has me on tenterhooks. I want to read book 3 so badly but I don't want this series to end.

    Spoilers please. Namely, classic characters that appear.
    Draco, Mathis and Lisl Baum. And Felix, Tiger and Trigger reappear from Double or Nothing.

    Thank you!
    Who is Lisl Baum from the classic stories again? Also, could Blofeld and SPECTRE be behind the events of everything?
    As Richard said she's from Risico. I was thinking whether Blofeld was behind Rattenfanger only because I was told of a twist involving them but the actual twist is more satisfying in the context of the novel. Plus this does take place after the events of the original novels, and YOLT is referenced. I suppose it's technically possible but it's clear that Colonel Mora is being set up as the big bad of the series.
  • ThunderballThunderball playing Chemin de Fer in a casino, downing Vespers
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    Well, I finished The Man With The Golden Gun. It was pretty damn good. I think it's my least favorite of the Fleming books so far, but that's just compared to the others. It's most noticeably unfinished in the middle where it sags a little bit with Bond not doing much but hanging around Scaramanga's hotel. I imagine that, had he lived, Fleming would've fleshed it out a bit more and more would happen there. I dunno. The ending was great, though. I still very much liked TMWTGG, but I definitely preferred all the others over it. Again, so far.
    I must say that I vastly prefer the arrogant, dangerous Scaramanga of the book over the film version of him.
    Anyway, that's it for the novels. Only Octopussy and The Living Daylights is left. As I don't own the Pan print of it with the Raymond Hawkey cover like the others I have (or, indeed, any copy of the book), I've no picture this time. I managed to find PDFs of all four stories in that collection and will get to reading them shortly. And then I'll have finally read all of Fleming's Bond books! I'll post my ranking of them when I'm done. Might just read Colonel Sun next if I can get my hands on a copy.
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    Well, I finished The Man With The Golden Gun. It was pretty damn good. I think it's my least favorite of the Fleming books so far, but that's just compared to the others. It's most noticeably unfinished in the middle where it sags a little bit with Bond not doing much but hanging around Scaramanga's hotel. I imagine that, had he lived, Fleming would've fleshed it out a bit more and more would happen there. I dunno. The ending was great, though. I still very much liked TMWTGG, but I definitely preferred all the others over it. Again, so far.
    I must say that I vastly prefer the arrogant, dangerous Scaramanga of the book over the film version of him.
    Anyway, that's it for the novels. Only Octopussy and The Living Daylights is left. As I don't own the Pan print of it with the Raymond Hawkey cover like the others I have (or, indeed, any copy of the book), I've no picture this time. I managed to find PDFs of all four stories in that collection and will get to reading them shortly. And then I'll have finally read all of Fleming's Bond books! I'll post my ranking of them when I'm done. Might just read Colonel Sun next if I can get my hands on a copy.

    I’d definitely give Colonel Sun a read. Been a long time since I read it but it’s worthy of sitting alongside Fleming I think (and Amis genuinely seemed to like Fleming/Bond as a character and understood the stories which is great). It’s arguably better than TMWTGG.
  • edited June 5 Posts: 1,088
    Well, I finished The Man With The Golden Gun. It was pretty damn good. . . might just read Colonel Sun next if I can get my hands on a copy.

    Have you read Horowitz's With a Mind to Kill? If not, I'd like to seriously recommend reading it with TMWTGG fresh in your mind, because it follows directly on from that mission, and - for me - corrected a little of what was wrong with Golden Gun, especially with regards the brain-washing Bond had, which I felt was glossed over/rushed in TMWTGG. Plus, it's a great read, (and dare I say it, I found it a better book than TMWTGG when I read them both in succession).
  • ThunderballThunderball playing Chemin de Fer in a casino, downing Vespers
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    Well, I finished The Man With The Golden Gun. It was pretty damn good. . . might just read Colonel Sun next if I can get my hands on a copy.

    Have you read Horowitz's With a Mind to Kill? If not, I'd like to seriously recommend reading it with TMWTGG fresh in your mind, because it follows directly on from that mission, and - for me - corrected a little of what was wrong with Golden Gun, especially with regards the brain-washing Bond had, which I felt was glossed over/rushed in TMWTGG. Plus, it's a great read, (and dare I say it, I found it a better book than TMWTGG when I read them both in succession).

    The only non-Fleming Bond novel I've read is Horowitz's Forever And A Day, and I enjoyed it. I've wanted to read Trigger Mortis and With A Mind To Kill for awhile now. I'll definitely get to them, but I think Colonel Sun will be first.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    I'm listening to the audiobook of From Russia with Love and am liking it so far. Red Grant's lunar psychosis makes him just that little bit more colourful than the film version, which is interesting.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    I'm listening to the audiobook of From Russia with Love and am liking it so far. Red Grant's lunar psychosis makes him just that little bit more colourful than the film version, which is interesting.

    It’s such a great and bizarre creation…
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    peter wrote: »
    I'm listening to the audiobook of From Russia with Love and am liking it so far. Red Grant's lunar psychosis makes him just that little bit more colourful than the film version, which is interesting.

    It’s such a great and bizarre creation…

    Agreed, Red Grant was a serial killer in fiction long before that became fashionable. He was also the main serial killer in the literary Bond until David Dragonpol came along years later. :)
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    I'm listening to the audiobook of From Russia with Love and am liking it so far. Red Grant's lunar psychosis makes him just that little bit more colourful than the film version, which is interesting.

    It’s such a great and bizarre creation…

    Agreed, Red Grant was a serial killer in fiction long before that became fashionable. He was also the main serial killer in the literary Bond until David Dragonpol came along years later. :)

    Peter takes a side-glance @Dragonpol and inches away…. (Heart rate is up, perspiration dotting temples and dripping down from armpits….)………………..
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    Finished On Her Majesty's Secret Service a couple of weeks ago. This was actually my first read of the novel. I really enjoyed it, and it's up there with the film, IMO.

    Not sure how I would like to rank the novel though. It's hard to compete with a lot of the other novels. I think I might prefer Live and Let Die and Thunderball to OHMSS.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    During travel I started Double or Nothing for the second time, haven't fully read it yet.

    It's okay, but I got to a point and diverted to Gardner's Brokenclaw and it's much more engaging for me, I'm enjoying it.

  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    peter wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    I'm listening to the audiobook of From Russia with Love and am liking it so far. Red Grant's lunar psychosis makes him just that little bit more colourful than the film version, which is interesting.

    It’s such a great and bizarre creation…

    Agreed, Red Grant was a serial killer in fiction long before that became fashionable. He was also the main serial killer in the literary Bond until David Dragonpol came along years later. :)

    Peter takes a side-glance @Dragonpol and inches away…. (Heart rate is up, perspiration dotting temples and dripping down from armpits….)………………..

    There's nothing to be frightened of. You're on the safe list. >:)
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    I'm listening to the audiobook of From Russia with Love and am liking it so far. Red Grant's lunar psychosis makes him just that little bit more colourful than the film version, which is interesting.

    It’s such a great and bizarre creation…

    Agreed, Red Grant was a serial killer in fiction long before that became fashionable. He was also the main serial killer in the literary Bond until David Dragonpol came along years later. :)

    Peter takes a side-glance @Dragonpol and inches away…. (Heart rate is up, perspiration dotting temples and dripping down from armpits….)………………..

    There's nothing to be frightened of. You're on the safe list. >:)

    …but for how long? 😳
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    peter wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    I'm listening to the audiobook of From Russia with Love and am liking it so far. Red Grant's lunar psychosis makes him just that little bit more colourful than the film version, which is interesting.

    It’s such a great and bizarre creation…

    Agreed, Red Grant was a serial killer in fiction long before that became fashionable. He was also the main serial killer in the literary Bond until David Dragonpol came along years later. :)

    Peter takes a side-glance @Dragonpol and inches away…. (Heart rate is up, perspiration dotting temples and dripping down from armpits….)………………..

    There's nothing to be frightened of. You're on the safe list. >:)

    …but for how long? 😳

    For life. 8-X
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    I'm listening to the audiobook of From Russia with Love and am liking it so far. Red Grant's lunar psychosis makes him just that little bit more colourful than the film version, which is interesting.

    It’s such a great and bizarre creation…

    Agreed, Red Grant was a serial killer in fiction long before that became fashionable. He was also the main serial killer in the literary Bond until David Dragonpol came along years later. :)

    Peter takes a side-glance @Dragonpol and inches away…. (Heart rate is up, perspiration dotting temples and dripping down from armpits….)………………..

    There's nothing to be frightened of. You're on the safe list. >:)

    …but for how long? 😳

    For life. 8-X

    … gulp… and the “after”?
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    peter wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    I'm listening to the audiobook of From Russia with Love and am liking it so far. Red Grant's lunar psychosis makes him just that little bit more colourful than the film version, which is interesting.

    It’s such a great and bizarre creation…

    Agreed, Red Grant was a serial killer in fiction long before that became fashionable. He was also the main serial killer in the literary Bond until David Dragonpol came along years later. :)

    Peter takes a side-glance @Dragonpol and inches away…. (Heart rate is up, perspiration dotting temples and dripping down from armpits….)………………..

    There's nothing to be frightened of. You're on the safe list. >:)

    …but for how long? 😳

    For life. 8-X

    … gulp… and the “after”?

    I'm there too. I should know. I've always been here.

  • edited June 15 Posts: 2,922
    Not sure how I would like to rank the novel though. It's hard to compete with a lot of the other novels. I think I might prefer Live and Let Die and Thunderball to OHMSS.

    All strong entries. I have to admit that the only two Bond films I consider "better" than their source novels are GF and OHMSS. The film of the latter made two crucial improvements: giving Tracy more scenes (including the one where Bond has to prove he cares for her, after Draco has revealed the lead to Blofeld), and having Tracy get captured by Blofeld, which ties together the book's two plots and gives Bond further motivation to destroy Piz Gloria and Blofeld.

    Having Bond and Blofeld meet face to face before Bond's escape from Piz Gloria was also a good idea, since it increased the antagonism between the two and allowed Blofeld to reveal his scheme afterward (instead of the much later reveal in the book, which would have slowed the film's pace). But it also meant eliminating the incredible suspense that follows Campbell's capture in the book, when Bond is preparing to escape on borrowed time.
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