Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • Posts: 564
    AgentM72 wrote: »
    Thanks for these, @mtm!

    Has anyone found video of the montage of well-wishers that followed Craig's intro? (Pierce, Lea, Javier, etc.) -- would love to see that as well if it's available.

    Oh wow! I hope someone has a video of this, or that the Academy posts it.
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    BMB007 wrote: »
    AgentM72 wrote: »
    Thanks for these, @mtm!

    Has anyone found video of the montage of well-wishers that followed Craig's intro? (Pierce, Lea, Javier, etc.) -- would love to see that as well if it's available.

    Oh wow! I hope someone has a video of this, or that the Academy posts it.

    To be clear, I've only read about that as a second-hand (?) account. But I'm assuming it did in fact occur.
  • I resonate wth what Barbara said about taking risks. I see that in my own journey. And risks have big payoffs.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    It's been over 1100 days since the last film arrived and we don't have as much as a "Bond 26 limited" as proof that the next film is being worked on yet. I think perhaps some of the rumours could have something to them, and perhaps EON knows who they have in mind (whether it be Villeneuve or whoever else) and are simply waiting for them to becoming available. I think that is a realistic explanation for the wait, and really at this point what other reason could there be? If EON were keen to get things rolling they could have hired P+W in 2024, announced Martin Campbell or a similar set of safe, reliable hands and hit the ground running. The only explanation to my mind is that EON has their sights set on someone to kickstart the next era, and Amazon are content to wait until they become available. This is also why I think a slightly irregular release could be possible, say Summer 2028. If Villeneuve is still the man, it's hard to see him completing press tours for Dune Messiah in December 2026 and then completing a Bond reboot in less than a year in time for October/November 2027.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I don't think that's the only explanation possible, no.
  • edited November 21 Posts: 4,162
    I’m not sure if EON would wait around for a director unless it suited their schedule. I’ve said before that I think picking a director isn’t unlike picking the Bond actor in many ways. It’s not that there’s only one specific individual who can do it above anyone else - the ‘chosen one’ if you like - but more a case where it’s a choice from a pool of options EON have to pick from. Each choice will give you a different film, but ultimately a version of the Bond film EON want to make. And of course a lot of that depends on availability. Not just any director can do it (again, much like the actor they have to have experience, commitment to the project, and be suited to the material/be able to bring something unique to it) but effectively if Villeneuve or Nolan don’t do it, there’s always a potential Edward Berger or David Michod who could do something wonderful.

    I could be wrong, and perhaps they do have Villeneuve in mind, and because it’s a longer gap they can wait. But I wouldn’t put a bet down for it either way (we simply don’t know and won’t know until long after). The truth is as well none of us understand how much work goes into these films before pre-production, let alone what the situation is with Amazon, what EON’s long term plans for Bond are etc.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yep. I think they might possibly have chosen to delay for Mendes to do a second one if that had happened, but only because he'd already delivered their biggest success; or for Craig a couple of films in, not sure they'd do it for anyone else. The Bond films didn't even delay when Brosnan couldn't do it and they didn't have a Bond.
  • Posts: 1,368
    Right now they delay for anything so I wouldn't be surprised if they were waiting for something or someone.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited November 21 Posts: 8,399
    Well, we know something is causing the delay. Each time there has been a gap longer than 4 years between bonds ('89 - '95, '15 - '21), its always for a very specific reason.

    @007HallY I personally don't have a problem with the lesser known director names you mention, David Michod is very interesting indeed, The King is one of the best films of the past decade IMO. I think if they were looking to downscale slightly, and go back to a more intimate 150 - 170 million as opposed to 250 - 300 million behemoth, then he would be a very intriguing choice.
  • edited November 21 Posts: 4,162
    mtm wrote: »
    Yep. I think they might possibly have chosen to delay for Mendes to do a second one if that had happened, but only because he'd already delivered their biggest success; or for Craig a couple of films in, not sure they'd do it for anyone else. The Bond films didn't even delay when Brosnan couldn't do it and they didn't have a Bond.

    I think that’s one where it worked out for them anyway as they couldn’t set a release date due to MGM’s financial issues. I know Mendes came on after QOS and they just kept him on as a consultant throughout that period. I suspect if they wanted someone specifically they’d do something similar (I know Mendes did another film in 2008/9 and did theatre in between as well, so maybe that’s an indication they’re open to choices/don’t have their eyes specifically set on anyone at the moment and if someone was definitively connected we'd know now or soonish). I don’t know, perhaps that means it’ll be more a Fukunaga situation this time where the director is brought on a bit later and helps iron out the script/direction for what EON want, as opposed to Mendes having that more hands on role in coming up with the concepts earlier on.

    I think they delayed CR by a year but not due to the director.
    Well, we know something is causing the delay. Each time there has been a gap longer than 4 years between bonds ('89 - '95, '15 - '21), its always for a very specific reason.

    @007HallY I personally don't have a problem with the lesser known director names you mention, David Michod is very interesting indeed, The King is one of the best films of the past decade IMO. I think if they were looking to downscale slightly, and go back to a more intimate 150 - 170 million as opposed to 250 - 300 million behemoth, then he would be a very intriguing choice.

    Yeah, I think he’d be interesting too. And like I said every director will give us something unique, albeit a spin on EON’s desired Bond film.

    I suppose budget depends on necessity and what they want to do. If the story’s scaled back then maybe a 200 million price tag thereabouts is all that’s needed. I don’t know though and I suppose we’ll see.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    There's an added value element that Micod is currently making a biopic starring Sydney Sweeney as a female boxer, so maybe his involvement could spur EON to give her the lead Bond girl role. Eh, It's fun to speculate, anyway. :P
  • edited November 21 Posts: 4,162
    I agree. Sometimes it's interesting looking at those types of names and trying to see what they've brought to their previous work that's Bondian. I know he's supposedly out of contention (although who knows) but someone like Edward Berger has done some wonderfully dark but comedic television dramas, the tone/feel of which I can see him bringing to Bond (ie. Patrick Melrose which is a show with a lot of witty lines, dark humour, and fast pace to it. I've heard it's the same for Deutschland '83).

    So yeah, there are plenty of possibilities.
  • Posts: 564
    Well, we know something is causing the delay. Each time there has been a gap longer than 4 years between bonds ('89 - '95, '15 - '21), its always for a very specific reason.

    @007HallY I personally don't have a problem with the lesser known director names you mention, David Michod is very interesting indeed, The King is one of the best films of the past decade IMO. I think if they were looking to downscale slightly, and go back to a more intimate 150 - 170 million as opposed to 250 - 300 million behemoth, then he would be a very intriguing choice.

    There is a reason, even if you don't acknowledge it. A combination of industry contraction due to the pandemic and the merger of MGM into Amazon. That's why.
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    BMB007 wrote: »
    Well, we know something is causing the delay. Each time there has been a gap longer than 4 years between bonds ('89 - '95, '15 - '21), its always for a very specific reason.

    @007HallY I personally don't have a problem with the lesser known director names you mention, David Michod is very interesting indeed, The King is one of the best films of the past decade IMO. I think if they were looking to downscale slightly, and go back to a more intimate 150 - 170 million as opposed to 250 - 300 million behemoth, then he would be a very intriguing choice.

    There is a reason, even if you don't acknowledge it. A combination of industry contraction due to the pandemic and the merger of MGM into Amazon. That's why.

    Well, that hasn't stopped movies from being released. We can always find an excuse but the world keeps turning.


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    BMB007 wrote: »
    Well, we know something is causing the delay. Each time there has been a gap longer than 4 years between bonds ('89 - '95, '15 - '21), its always for a very specific reason.

    @007HallY I personally don't have a problem with the lesser known director names you mention, David Michod is very interesting indeed, The King is one of the best films of the past decade IMO. I think if they were looking to downscale slightly, and go back to a more intimate 150 - 170 million as opposed to 250 - 300 million behemoth, then he would be a very intriguing choice.

    There is a reason, even if you don't acknowledge it. A combination of industry contraction due to the pandemic and the merger of MGM into Amazon. That's why.

    Well, that hasn't stopped movies from being released. We can always find an excuse but the world keeps turning.


    Yeah, but a lot of those movies didn't do well, including established IPs. I don't think that's the reason for this gap this time round mind (I think it's a combination of things truth be told - getting to grips creatively with a new direction, working out their new working relationship with Amazon/mapping out the future of the franchise and EON as a whole, a longer term strategy involving EON taking a more hands on role in things like the video game/reality show, getting other projects done etc). I'm sure alternative producers could have gone head first into a new era (although it wouldn't necessarily have been a good idea as we now know given the writers/actor's strikes, and I can easily imagine a majority of Bond films in that scenario not doing as well as they could have).
  • Posts: 564
    BMB007 wrote: »
    Well, we know something is causing the delay. Each time there has been a gap longer than 4 years between bonds ('89 - '95, '15 - '21), its always for a very specific reason.

    @007HallY I personally don't have a problem with the lesser known director names you mention, David Michod is very interesting indeed, The King is one of the best films of the past decade IMO. I think if they were looking to downscale slightly, and go back to a more intimate 150 - 170 million as opposed to 250 - 300 million behemoth, then he would be a very intriguing choice.

    There is a reason, even if you don't acknowledge it. A combination of industry contraction due to the pandemic and the merger of MGM into Amazon. That's why.

    Well, that hasn't stopped movies from being released. We can always find an excuse but the world keeps turning.


    It has stopped movies from being released. There are significantly fewer theatrical releases now compared to before the pandemic. The entire industry is in an uncertain period of transition.
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    BMB007 wrote: »
    BMB007 wrote: »
    Well, we know something is causing the delay. Each time there has been a gap longer than 4 years between bonds ('89 - '95, '15 - '21), its always for a very specific reason.

    @007HallY I personally don't have a problem with the lesser known director names you mention, David Michod is very interesting indeed, The King is one of the best films of the past decade IMO. I think if they were looking to downscale slightly, and go back to a more intimate 150 - 170 million as opposed to 250 - 300 million behemoth, then he would be a very intriguing choice.

    There is a reason, even if you don't acknowledge it. A combination of industry contraction due to the pandemic and the merger of MGM into Amazon. That's why.

    Well, that hasn't stopped movies from being released. We can always find an excuse but the world keeps turning.


    It has stopped movies from being released. There are significantly fewer theatrical releases now compared to before the pandemic. The entire industry is in an uncertain period of transition.

    But Barbara talked about taking risks... :D

    The industry changes all the time.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Something to bare in mind - Indiana Jones was created as a homage to adventure serials of the 1930's, 50 years later. Bond has been running continually since 1962, in other words it would be like if The Last Crusade wasn't the final part in a trilogy of homages, but the next entry in a series that had been running since 1934.
  • edited November 21 Posts: 4,162
    BMB007 wrote: »
    BMB007 wrote: »
    Well, we know something is causing the delay. Each time there has been a gap longer than 4 years between bonds ('89 - '95, '15 - '21), its always for a very specific reason.

    @007HallY I personally don't have a problem with the lesser known director names you mention, David Michod is very interesting indeed, The King is one of the best films of the past decade IMO. I think if they were looking to downscale slightly, and go back to a more intimate 150 - 170 million as opposed to 250 - 300 million behemoth, then he would be a very intriguing choice.

    There is a reason, even if you don't acknowledge it. A combination of industry contraction due to the pandemic and the merger of MGM into Amazon. That's why.

    Well, that hasn't stopped movies from being released. We can always find an excuse but the world keeps turning.


    It has stopped movies from being released. There are significantly fewer theatrical releases now compared to before the pandemic. The entire industry is in an uncertain period of transition.

    But Barbara talked about taking risks... :D

    The industry changes all the time.

    You can take risks creatively and have the foresight to know you're not prepared yet at a given time. In laymen's terms taking risks doesn't mean being stupid.

    But who knows. Maybe they're being too cautious, maybe their work and strategy will pay off. We can only wait and see.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Taking risks doesn’t mean being reckless; whatever direction they choose it will have to embrace the essence of Bond, and be recognizable as the character.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    There are risks and there are risk assessments.

    After some reaction to NTTD, surprised to hear comments about Barbara Broccoli and risk-taking. Or suggestions she may be risk-averse.

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