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  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited November 20 Posts: 1,677
    Looks like Jaguar will be going all electric ?

    Yes. They've announced a future lineup of three models, which are confirmed to be a four-door GT car, and then rumored to be a SUV and then a sports car/convertible combo. All electric.

    As an auto journalist, I can tell you this rebrand is already getting mocked and not taken very seriously. I worry for Jaguar's future.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,087
    LucknFate wrote: »
    Looks like Jaguar will be going all electric ?

    Yes. They've announced a future lineup of three models, which are confirmed to be a four-door GT car, and then rumored to be a SUV and then a sports car/convertible combo. All electric.

    As an auto journalist, I can tell you this rebrand is already getting mocked and not taken very seriously. I worry for Jaguar's future.

    Seems as if they don't even sell any new cars any more. The website only offers a link to their used-car marketplace for each model in the list. And if they go all electric, they'll have some work ahead...the iPace having (had) a range of only 470 km/less than 300 mi., apparently due to a a power consumption which is 150 % of, say, an Ioniq 5.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,624
    LucknFate wrote: »
    As an auto journalist, I can tell you this rebrand is already getting mocked and not taken very seriously. I worry for Jaguar's future.

    Rebrands always do, people like to complain when a new logo is unveiled then a few months later they've forgotten the old one. I think we need to see where they're going with it first, it looks like they've almost made themselves into a fashion brand, which I guess might fit with urban EV driving, and they're kind of a boutique brand as it is. I'm interested to see what their plan is.
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    Posts: 2,588
    LucknFate wrote: »
    Looks like Jaguar will be going all electric ?

    Yes. They've announced a future lineup of three models, which are confirmed to be a four-door GT car, and then rumored to be a SUV and then a sports car/convertible combo. All electric.

    As an auto journalist, I can tell you this rebrand is already getting mocked and not taken very seriously. I worry for Jaguar's future.

    Tata Motors own Jaguar so i can't seeing their future being a concern with the amount of sales/money they have.

    If Tata don't want them anymore i'm sure some chinese company would be interested to buy them out.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,222
    I've always loved Jaguars, unfortunately I cannot buy every car brand that I love. Not sure what to think about that trendy video posted above.

    When it comes to cars, watches, clothes, etc. I suppose I'm more traditional than most people. Electric cars, smart watches and all that just lack charm, elegance and soul as far as I'm concerned, but companies need to survive and if Jaguar feels it has little moving space where they are right now, I suppose money talks and rebranding to be trendy for a broader mass is probably economically a wiser choice than to make another E-type or whatever.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,339
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    I've always loved Jaguars, unfortunately I cannot buy every car brand that I love. Not sure what to think about that trendy video posted above.

    When it comes to cars, watches, clothes, etc. I suppose I'm more traditional than most people. Electric cars, smart watches and all that just lack charm, elegance and soul as far as I'm concerned, but companies need to survive and if Jaguar feels it has little moving space where they are right now, I suppose money talks and rebranding to be trendy for a broader mass is probably economically a wiser choice than to make another E-type or whatever.

    I test-drove a jaguar earlier in the year. The XF. What a car to drive! But like Alfa Romeo, I guess cars like that are just appealing to a certain customer base, which just isn't that big. The second hand XE and XF's have, at least most of them, a lot of miles on them. In my country, they're director cars. They're mostly bought new, so it's easy to get a 'cheap' second-hand one. A car of, say, 4 year old will easily have done 150.000 plus KM and have a price tag around 30K euro, against the 70+ you pay for a new car.

    Will a complete rebrand really work? Well, if the shun off their legacy, maybe. But they'll lose their current customer base. That video I personally find appalling. It has nothing to do with what I think Jaguars should be like: great drivers'cars with a luxury upholstering for the succesfull person who doesn't want to shout it off of the roofs, but definately wants to show it.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,222
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    I've always loved Jaguars, unfortunately I cannot buy every car brand that I love. Not sure what to think about that trendy video posted above.

    When it comes to cars, watches, clothes, etc. I suppose I'm more traditional than most people. Electric cars, smart watches and all that just lack charm, elegance and soul as far as I'm concerned, but companies need to survive and if Jaguar feels it has little moving space where they are right now, I suppose money talks and rebranding to be trendy for a broader mass is probably economically a wiser choice than to make another E-type or whatever.

    I test-drove a jaguar earlier in the year. The XF. What a car to drive! But like Alfa Romeo, I guess cars like that are just appealing to a certain customer base, which just isn't that big. The second hand XE and XF's have, at least most of them, a lot of miles on them. In my country, they're director cars. They're mostly bought new, so it's easy to get a 'cheap' second-hand one. A car of, say, 4 year old will easily have done 150.000 plus KM and have a price tag around 30K euro, against the 70+ you pay for a new car.

    Will a complete rebrand really work? Well, if the shun off their legacy, maybe. But they'll lose their current customer base. That video I personally find appalling. It has nothing to do with what I think Jaguars should be like: great drivers'cars with a luxury upholstering for the succesfull person who doesn't want to shout it off of the roofs, but definately wants to show it.

    I'm with you, mate. That video screams: "I want to be 'in' and I think this might just work. Oh I'm a car brand with decades of gorgeous cars on my resume? Hmm, don't think the kids will like that. We'll do some random Zara ad and then think of a vague connection later."
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited November 21 Posts: 1,677
    LucknFate wrote: »
    Looks like Jaguar will be going all electric ?

    Yes. They've announced a future lineup of three models, which are confirmed to be a four-door GT car, and then rumored to be a SUV and then a sports car/convertible combo. All electric.

    As an auto journalist, I can tell you this rebrand is already getting mocked and not taken very seriously. I worry for Jaguar's future.

    Tata Motors own Jaguar so i can't seeing their future being a concern with the amount of sales/money they have.

    If Tata don't want them anymore i'm sure some chinese company would be interested to buy them out.

    What a gross mentality to have about business. I want Jaguar to prosper, making elegant sports cars for the road like it used to. I do not want them to fail so bad they get dumped onto a Chinese buyer who will just further devalue the brand. What's wrong with you to think all that would be fine? Don't you want to them to succeed instead? Hope for prosperity, don't just let what's defined you in the past die off.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited November 21 Posts: 16,624
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    I've always loved Jaguars, unfortunately I cannot buy every car brand that I love. Not sure what to think about that trendy video posted above.

    When it comes to cars, watches, clothes, etc. I suppose I'm more traditional than most people. Electric cars, smart watches and all that just lack charm, elegance and soul as far as I'm concerned, but companies need to survive and if Jaguar feels it has little moving space where they are right now, I suppose money talks and rebranding to be trendy for a broader mass is probably economically a wiser choice than to make another E-type or whatever.

    I test-drove a jaguar earlier in the year. The XF. What a car to drive! But like Alfa Romeo, I guess cars like that are just appealing to a certain customer base, which just isn't that big. The second hand XE and XF's have, at least most of them, a lot of miles on them. In my country, they're director cars. They're mostly bought new, so it's easy to get a 'cheap' second-hand one. A car of, say, 4 year old will easily have done 150.000 plus KM and have a price tag around 30K euro, against the 70+ you pay for a new car.

    Will a complete rebrand really work? Well, if the shun off their legacy, maybe. But they'll lose their current customer base. That video I personally find appalling. It has nothing to do with what I think Jaguars should be like: great drivers'cars with a luxury upholstering for the succesfull person who doesn't want to shout it off of the roofs, but definately wants to show it.

    I'm with you, mate. That video screams: "I want to be 'in' and I think this might just work. Oh I'm a car brand with decades of gorgeous cars on my resume? Hmm, don't think the kids will like that. We'll do some random Zara ad and then think of a vague connection later."

    They are a pretty 'old man' brand, they've been trying to redefine themselves as sort of urban and modern high end in the last decade or so but I'm not sure it's quite stuck, and ultimately as it is they just don't sell many cars. BMW are well over 2 million sold a year whereas Jag are in the hundreds of thousands, and yet they compete. It's all very well for us to get teary eyed about E-Types and sportcars, but who here has bought a Jaguar recently? And selling sportscars, sadly, doesn't pay the rent these days.
    I don't think it's certain they'll lose their current customer base just because they've got a fresher logo, I would say this rebrand so far is still representing modern luxury, just in a slightly different way. To be honest I think we have to see the actual cars first!
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,222
    mtm wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    I've always loved Jaguars, unfortunately I cannot buy every car brand that I love. Not sure what to think about that trendy video posted above.

    When it comes to cars, watches, clothes, etc. I suppose I'm more traditional than most people. Electric cars, smart watches and all that just lack charm, elegance and soul as far as I'm concerned, but companies need to survive and if Jaguar feels it has little moving space where they are right now, I suppose money talks and rebranding to be trendy for a broader mass is probably economically a wiser choice than to make another E-type or whatever.

    I test-drove a jaguar earlier in the year. The XF. What a car to drive! But like Alfa Romeo, I guess cars like that are just appealing to a certain customer base, which just isn't that big. The second hand XE and XF's have, at least most of them, a lot of miles on them. In my country, they're director cars. They're mostly bought new, so it's easy to get a 'cheap' second-hand one. A car of, say, 4 year old will easily have done 150.000 plus KM and have a price tag around 30K euro, against the 70+ you pay for a new car.

    Will a complete rebrand really work? Well, if the shun off their legacy, maybe. But they'll lose their current customer base. That video I personally find appalling. It has nothing to do with what I think Jaguars should be like: great drivers'cars with a luxury upholstering for the succesfull person who doesn't want to shout it off of the roofs, but definately wants to show it.

    I'm with you, mate. That video screams: "I want to be 'in' and I think this might just work. Oh I'm a car brand with decades of gorgeous cars on my resume? Hmm, don't think the kids will like that. We'll do some random Zara ad and then think of a vague connection later."

    They are a pretty 'old man' brand, they've been trying to redefine themselves as sort of urban and modern high end in the last decade or so but I'm not sure it's quite stuck, and ultimately as it is they just don't sell many cars. BMW are well over 2 million sold a year whereas Jag are in the hundreds of thousands, and yet they compete. It's all very well for us to get teary eyed about E-Types and sportcars, but who here has bought a Jaguar recently? And selling sportscars, sadly, doesn't pay the rent these days.
    I don't think it's certain they'll lose their current customer base just because they've got a fresher logo, I would say this rebrand so far is still representing modern luxury, just in a slightly different way. To be honest I think we have to see the actual cars first!

    Of course, I was just referring to the vibe that video gave me.

    And you're right, who here has bought a Jag recently? That's a fair question. If I had the wallet for it, I would have an Alfa, a Lancia, a Maserati, an Aston, a Lotus, a Jag, an Alpine and probably even a DS. Unfortunately I can only go for the one and my heart is Italian in the first place...
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,087
    I guess I'm past the phase that I wanted a sports car or even a regular sedan. For the last thirty-plus years we've had a combination of a station wagon (or more recently SUV) and a convertible/roadster (first an MX-5 NA for 16 years, afterwards - and still - a BMW 330d [E93] for even more than 16 years in the meantime). I wouldn't have minded Jaguar as a brand, and I thought the XF estate looked pretty nice when the decision to get a new wagon was made most recently. But at the time they were down to offering it with a four-cylinder 2.0 liter engine only, IIRC. That's not what I expect from Jaguar, just like I wouldn't have considered buying a recent F-type with only four cylinders (though certainly not with eight, either). And with their prohibitive pricing to keep up their pretense of being in a league with MB and BMW, they're out of the range that I consider reasonable.
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    edited November 21 Posts: 2,588
    LucknFate wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    Looks like Jaguar will be going all electric ?

    Yes. They've announced a future lineup of three models, which are confirmed to be a four-door GT car, and then rumored to be a SUV and then a sports car/convertible combo. All electric.

    As an auto journalist, I can tell you this rebrand is already getting mocked and not taken very seriously. I worry for Jaguar's future.

    Tata Motors own Jaguar so i can't seeing their future being a concern with the amount of sales/money they have.

    If Tata don't want them anymore i'm sure some chinese company would be interested to buy them out.

    What a gross mentality to have about business. I want Jaguar to prosper, making elegant sports cars for the road like it used to. I do not want them to fail so bad they get dumped onto a Chinese buyer who will just further devalue the brand. What's wrong with you to think all that would be fine? Don't you want to them to succeed instead? Hope for prosperity, don't just let what's defined you in the past die off.

    Relax, Most of the Jags are still designed/made in England so they will be making the same cars whoever owns the company....
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,339
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    I guess I'm past the phase that I wanted a sports car or even a regular sedan. For the last thirty-plus years we've had a combination of a station wagon (or more recently SUV) and a convertible/roadster (first an MX-5 NA for 16 years, afterwards - and still - a BMW 330d [E93] for even more than 16 years in the meantime). I wouldn't have minded Jaguar as a brand, and I thought the XF estate looked pretty nice when the decision to get a new wagon was made most recently. But at the time they were down to offering it with a four-cylinder 2.0 liter engine only, IIRC. That's not what I expect from Jaguar, just like I wouldn't have considered buying a recent F-type with only four cylinders (though certainly not with eight, either). And with their prohibitive pricing to keep up their pretense of being in a league with MB and BMW, they're out of the range that I consider reasonable.

    The one I drove has a 2 litre 4 cilinder engine and I can tell you it does the job perfectly fine. Compared to other cars for sure, and AFAK BMW is doing exactly the same: turbocharged 4 cilinder engines with about 250 HP.

    We just bought a KIA for my wife. It's a hybrid with a 1.6 litre engine and a total of 140 HP. The Alfa Giulietta we have on the company has a 1.4 litre engine producing 170 HP (and beeing 10 years older). Only to say that what used to be a good mesurement, doesn't tell you anything anymore.

    Wish I had gotten the financing done on the Jag. The KIA is fine. But that's it. Just fine. The Jag was a joy to drive.
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    Posts: 2,588
    1963 Aston Martin DP215 Grand Touring Competition Prototype

    Never seen this Aston before
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,222
    I'm reading OHMSS and I still can't get over the fact that they didn't use Tracy's car from the books for the film instead of that Cougar, I mean that's also a nice-looking car, but not compared to the out-of-this-world beauty of the:

    Lancia Flaminia Zagato Spyder

    Lancia_Flaminia_G.T_3C_2.8_%281968%29%2C_Dutch_licence_registration_AH-41-68_pic4.JPG

    Tracy's one is white.

    Now I now the film has a chase in the snow, but that's fixed easily as it's equally gorgeous as a non-cabrio:

    133152-000_1024x768.jpg

    The headlines seem to be standing differently as opposed to the cabrio, but I love them both. Ah Lancia, I hope they can bring them back, but I hear Stellantis isn't doing well...

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,624
    1963 Aston Martin DP215 Grand Touring Competition Prototype

    Never seen this Aston before

    I've seen it quite a few times at various race meetings. It's often at Goodwood.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,339
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    I'm reading OHMSS and I still can't get over the fact that they didn't use Tracy's car from the books for the film instead of that Cougar, I mean that's also a nice-looking car, but not compared to the out-of-this-world beauty of the:

    Lancia Flaminia Zagato Spyder

    Lancia_Flaminia_G.T_3C_2.8_%281968%29%2C_Dutch_licence_registration_AH-41-68_pic4.JPG

    Tracy's one is white.

    Now I now the film has a chase in the snow, but that's fixed easily as it's equally gorgeous as a non-cabrio:

    133152-000_1024x768.jpg

    The headlines seem to be standing differently as opposed to the cabrio, but I love them both. Ah Lancia, I hope they can bring them back, but I hear Stellantis isn't doing well...

    If you ask me, Stellantis is slowly killing it's unique brands in favour of reuasability. The lates Alfa isn't much to look at (the junior, love the look of the Tonale) and the driving experience is not what you'd expect from an Alfa. At least, that's my experience with the Tonale.
    I fear they're doing the same to Lancia. Maybe maserati will remain, as it is a luxury brand, but as marketeers are taking over the car industry, the big companies will let the niche players die for lack of profitability.
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    Posts: 2,588
    TopGear.com Awards 2024: Greatest Cars Of The Year Crowned!
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    edited November 29 Posts: 2,588
    Ferrari 12Cilindri vs Aston Martin Vanquish: Super GT Battle

    The Aston looks better than the Ferrari....
    England 1🍺 Italy 0🍕
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    edited December 1 Posts: 2,588
    Tesla Model X PLAID v Ferrari 296 v McLaren 750S: DRAG RACE

    SUV v 2 Supercars
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,624
    That’s a bit of a beast.
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    A car for Lady Penelope, that's for sure.
  • zebrafishzebrafish <°)))< in Octopussy's garden in the shade
    Posts: 4,349
    Ugh!

  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,087
    I just read in today's Guardian article that this Barbie-on-Wheels is called the 00 (pronounced zero-zero, not double-O). 00 is the number traditionally used on German hotel toilet doors. And I have a feeling that might be the appropriate place for that turd. Just talking about the design here, of course, not knowing anything about the specs.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited December 3 Posts: 16,624
    I think that looks stunning, can well imagine people wanting to turn up to places in that.

    Harry makes a good point there that's it's almost moving into the Rolls Spectre area of appeal, and I think when he flashed a Spectre up it actually looked rather dated next to the Type 00. There's a surprising amount of E Type in the side profile as well, more old Jag styling in there than I thought there would be. Good luck to 'em.
  • zebrafishzebrafish <°)))< in Octopussy's garden in the shade
    Posts: 4,349
    "copy nothing" as in "Jaguar marketing has not understood the consequences"?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,624
    Not sure what you mean. 'Copy nothing' comes from a saying from Jaguar's founder, William Lyons.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,222
    Not my cup of tea personally. Jaguar, much like Aston Martin, used to stand for understated class and elegance, sportive yet stylish. This however looks like a show-off car for overpaid football players or equally overpaid hiphop stars...
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    Posts: 2,588
    It's not a new Jaguar, It's only a concept car.
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