Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • Posts: 572
    I had a conspiracy theory that Amazon thought they were buying Bond outright when they bought MGM. Their early press releases emphasized Bond a lot, with the implication being there would be a whole number of spinoffs and projects. The implications in this article reinforce this theory, given that early contacts between Amazon and EON were Amazon thinking they controlled the situation now.

    My big takeaway is for decades and decades a lot of studio execs and ownership groups thought they could make the Broccolis yield. They all failed. In time, I suspect, Amazon will realize they can't do it either. "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang" is perhaps a first step of reconciliation. Amazon could go further and cut a check for "Othello" with a guaranteed theatrical window.
  • Bentley007Bentley007 Manitoba, Canada
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    It's one of those articles which is spinning a narrative out of a few quotes removed from context and a lot of supposition. It also seems to be saying that nothing is happening at all, which I think flies in the face of Peter's 2028 start date. Peter's source could well be wrong, or be listening to optimists at Amazon, but I think if Peter still has confidence in his guy I'd put more faith in that than this article.

    It doesn't sound like this tenuous relationship happened overnight. I don't think there is any reason to doubt what Peter has shared based on this article. It may just provide greater insight into why a deal with a director was delayed earlier this year.
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    Can we get some clarity here? 1-What does Amazon own? 2-Can EON make a Bond film without Amazon? 3-Can Amazon block EON from making a Bond film?
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    Can we get some clarity here? 1-What does Amazon own? 2-Can EON make a Bond film without Amazon? 3-Can Amazon block EON from making a Bond film?

    1.MGM
    2.No
    3.Yes
  • Posts: 1,985
    So this whole Amazon vs Broccoli debacle is coming down to Amazon wanting more Bond content, with more streaming releases vs Broccoli wanting more quality and less quantity with traditional theatrical releases


    Do I have this right?
  • Posts: 1,985
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Can we get some clarity here? 1-What does Amazon own? 2-Can EON make a Bond film without Amazon? 3-Can Amazon block EON from making a Bond film?

    1.MGM
    2.No
    3.Yes

    It all goes back to when Harry sold his share of EON to united artists who was then bought out by MGM who then was bought out by Amazon. It’s crazy how Harry‘s decision to do that has caused all this in a way.
  • edited December 20 Posts: 4,300
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    So this whole Amazon vs Broccoli debacle is coming down to Amazon wanting more Bond content, with more streaming releases vs Broccoli wanting more quality and less quantity with traditional theatrical releases


    Do I have this right?

    That's probably simplified to some extent. EON have seemingly been open to expanding Bond (ie. with Project 007 and Road to a Million which seem to have projects started prior to the Amazon MGM takeover). And Amazon want some level of quality even with more quantity. But very broadly, more or less that's the case from what I understand.
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Can we get some clarity here? 1-What does Amazon own? 2-Can EON make a Bond film without Amazon? 3-Can Amazon block EON from making a Bond film?

    1.MGM
    2.No
    3.Yes

    It all goes back to when Harry sold his share of EON to united artists who was then bought out by MGM who then was bought out by Amazon. It’s crazy how Harry‘s decision to do that has caused all this in a way.

    Oh yeah. Bond's legal issues are shockingly long and sometimes complicated.
  • Posts: 1,448
    As I said, hire Cavill and make a James Bond movie. It's not that hard.


  • Posts: 4,300
    Seems like the sort of decision Amazon would love anyway! Which leads me to believe it's an awful idea.
  • Posts: 1,448
    007HallY wrote: »
    Seems like the sort of decision Amazon would love anyway! Which leads me to believe it's an awful idea.

    An agreement must be reached and Cavill has already been tested by EON
  • Posts: 398
    Of course, this impasse between EON and Amazon is about control. But I don’t think this is simply about controlling the Bond franchise. EON, Barbara in particular, understands the ramifications for the entire industry if Big Tech is allowed to run roughshod over Hollywood. Hollywood is art and commerce, not merely commerce. The industry may not always work well, but it works.

    Big Tech (and Wall Street) have turned the international entertainment industry into a mere content machine. A machine fed by AI and algorithms. A machine that drains the lifeblood from artists and craftsmen for quarterly earnings. I haven’t read all articles linked, but what’s not being explicitly said is that Broccoli is protesting the mistreatment of her industry as a whole. What happens with the Bond franchise over the next decade may be a bellwether for the movie business.

    Whether or not any particular executive likes Bond as a character is irrelevant. I’m sure many studio executives have worked on film and tv projects that didn’t appeal to their tastes. But this isn’t just about Bond. It’s about respecting the film business as the most successful artistic endeavor created by humankind. It’s about keeping people working. It’s about making sure that art and entertainment is actually produced by people at all levels of craft, expertise and budget.

    I’ve wondered if George Lucas’ decision to sell Lucas Film to Disney was, in part, because it’s both the biggest studio and not owned by a third party conglomerate. Disney has a lot of problematic business practices, but it’s the only studio big enough to compete with Netflix, Amazon and Apple as an independent entity.

    A win for EON in their struggle with Amazon is a win for the film industry. This may be a significant inflection point in the history of cinema.


  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited December 20 Posts: 16,597
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Can we get some clarity here? 1-What does Amazon own? 2-Can EON make a Bond film without Amazon? 3-Can Amazon block EON from making a Bond film?

    Basically, blame Cubby Broccoli and Harry Saltzman. They let their relationship deteriorate to the extent that Saltzman petulantly sold his half of Bond to United Artists instead of Broccoli, whereas before this Danjaq owned James Bond 007 in entirety. Thanks to them we're in the position where Bond is half-owned by Eon and half-owned by MGM/Amazon.
    It's that deal which left Bond in its post-LTK hiatus, and we're stitched up by it again.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,215
    As I said, hire Cavill and make a James Bond movie. It's not that hard.


    I don’t want that block of wood as Bond.
  • Posts: 572
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Can we get some clarity here? 1-What does Amazon own? 2-Can EON make a Bond film without Amazon? 3-Can Amazon block EON from making a Bond film?

    1.MGM
    2.No
    3.Yes

    It all goes back to when Harry sold his share of EON to united artists who was then bought out by MGM who then was bought out by Amazon. It’s crazy how Harry‘s decision to do that has caused all this in a way.

    There is a reason EON seldom talks about his contributions, or when they do that make him look like a fool!
  • Posts: 4,300
    007HallY wrote: »
    Seems like the sort of decision Amazon would love anyway! Which leads me to believe it's an awful idea.

    An agreement must be reached and Cavill has already been tested by EON

    He auditioned 20 years ago. There's all kinds of reasons he wouldn't be the best choice.

    There'll have to be some sort of agreement in the long run, yes. But ultimately I don't think the solution is a half arsed Bond film with Henry Cavill. But that's just me.
  • Posts: 1,448
    007HallY wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Seems like the sort of decision Amazon would love anyway! Which leads me to believe it's an awful idea.

    An agreement must be reached and Cavill has already been tested by EON

    He auditioned 20 years ago. There's all kinds of reasons he wouldn't be the best choice.

    There'll have to be some sort of agreement in the long run, yes. But ultimately I don't think the solution is a half arsed Bond film with Henry Cavill. But that's just me.

    It worked with Brosnan.

    Anyway It's better than playing chicken
  • Posts: 4,300
    007HallY wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Seems like the sort of decision Amazon would love anyway! Which leads me to believe it's an awful idea.

    An agreement must be reached and Cavill has already been tested by EON

    He auditioned 20 years ago. There's all kinds of reasons he wouldn't be the best choice.

    There'll have to be some sort of agreement in the long run, yes. But ultimately I don't think the solution is a half arsed Bond film with Henry Cavill. But that's just me.

    It worked with Brosnan.

    Anyway It's better than playing chicken

    I don’t think that many people are that eager to see Cavill play Bond. Not compared to Brosnan anyway. They can do much better. And anyway, they need to actually make the film.
  • First task: sweeten the deal.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,215
    Cavill is too old. He’ll be past 50 before a theoretical fourth film is even ready.
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    BMB007 wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Can we get some clarity here? 1-What does Amazon own? 2-Can EON make a Bond film without Amazon? 3-Can Amazon block EON from making a Bond film?

    1.MGM
    2.No
    3.Yes

    It all goes back to when Harry sold his share of EON to united artists who was then bought out by MGM who then was bought out by Amazon. It’s crazy how Harry‘s decision to do that has caused all this in a way.

    There is a reason EON seldom talks about his contributions, or when they do that make him look like a fool!

    Oh yeah. Pretty much in every Bond documentary they make it look like Cubby was always the smarter of the two. And to be fair he kind of was because he didn’t make a lot of bad investments like Harry did. They both had their flaws. Harry‘s flaws were more on the financial side while I think Cubby’s flaws had more to do with the creative side of Bond.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited December 20 Posts: 6,380
    007HallY wrote: »
    Seems like the sort of decision Amazon would love anyway! Which leads me to believe it's an awful idea.

    An agreement must be reached and Cavill has already been tested by EON

    Barbara says no.

    The only way Amazon makes a movie without her complete creative control is if they buy her out. What do you think her price is? Pretty high, in the billions, I'd say.

    Cubby cut a great deal for himself!

    P.S. Harry was primarily responsible for OHMSS. That one film is an amazing legacy for him.
  • Posts: 1,448
    This is not the old MGM, Amazon has a lot of money.
  • Posts: 1,985
    echo wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Seems like the sort of decision Amazon would love anyway! Which leads me to believe it's an awful idea.

    An agreement must be reached and Cavill has already been tested by EON

    Barbara says no.

    The only way Amazon makes a movie without her complete creative control is if they buy her out. What do you think her price is? Pretty high, in the billions, I'd say.

    They have the money if they wanna buy her out. It just all depends on how much of a priority James Bond is to Amazon.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited December 20 Posts: 6,380
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Seems like the sort of decision Amazon would love anyway! Which leads me to believe it's an awful idea.

    An agreement must be reached and Cavill has already been tested by EON

    Barbara says no.

    The only way Amazon makes a movie without her complete creative control is if they buy her out. What do you think her price is? Pretty high, in the billions, I'd say.

    They have the money if they wanna buy her out. It just all depends on how much of a priority James Bond is to Amazon.

    No, she has to want to be bought out. No indication of that.

    She's holding all the cards.
  • Posts: 1,985
    echo wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Seems like the sort of decision Amazon would love anyway! Which leads me to believe it's an awful idea.

    An agreement must be reached and Cavill has already been tested by EON

    Barbara says no.

    The only way Amazon makes a movie without her complete creative control is if they buy her out. What do you think her price is? Pretty high, in the billions, I'd say.

    They have the money if they wanna buy her out. It just all depends on how much of a priority James Bond is to Amazon.

    No, she has to want to be bought out. No indication of that.

    She's holding all the cards.

    Of course! but everybody has a price. Anybody who says they don’t is lying to themselves.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,380
    True. But what is the price? Amazon's worth $2.35 trillion. What is Bond worth?
  • Posts: 398
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Seems like the sort of decision Amazon would love anyway! Which leads me to believe it's an awful idea.

    An agreement must be reached and Cavill has already been tested by EON

    Barbara says no.

    The only way Amazon makes a movie without her complete creative control is if they buy her out. What do you think her price is? Pretty high, in the billions, I'd say.

    They have the money if they wanna buy her out. It just all depends on how much of a priority James Bond is to Amazon.

    Why would you want them to buy out EON?

  • Posts: 1,985
    Burgess wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Seems like the sort of decision Amazon would love anyway! Which leads me to believe it's an awful idea.

    An agreement must be reached and Cavill has already been tested by EON

    Barbara says no.

    The only way Amazon makes a movie without her complete creative control is if they buy her out. What do you think her price is? Pretty high, in the billions, I'd say.

    They have the money if they wanna buy her out. It just all depends on how much of a priority James Bond is to Amazon.

    Why would you want them to buy out EON?

    I didn’t say I want them to. I just said everybody has a price and Babs could be bought if Amazon pushed hard enough
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,597
  • Posts: 398
    While I completely believe the reporting, I wonder whether the impasse between EON and Amazon is still accurate. Entertainment reporting, like this, isn’t always up-to-date. The review process from pitch to publication can take up to two weeks. Maybe longer if one is waiting for multiple credible sources.

    As others have pointed out, the Chitty Chitty Bang Bang remake indicate that both parties are seriously working to unthaw their relationship. The WSJ article may be an accurate reflection of the current state of things or it may be a month out-of-date.
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