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  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,779
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    LeonardPine wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    LeonardPine wrote: »
    All I took from Batman Returns is that Tim Burton wasn't particularly interested in Batman..

    As I said on the Batman thread, BR is WAY TOO MUCH Tim Burton. To the point, WB should have arguably told him to tone his style down more than once. Long before the final product came out. While directors deserve their visions shown, there does come a point where someone should be told no. As @DarthDimi said, the dark fantasy works for the look of Gotham City. For the characters occupying Gotham, mixed results. As for TDK writing, the Nolans do tend to have some plot holes and cliches. Also, I'm surprised that WB and DC didn't ask for some The Animated Series people for more ideas and stories. They had that perfect mix of those director's styles.

    The makers of The Animated series certainly did get Batman. and as you say, got the perfect mix of styles.

    Their treatment of Harvey Dent/Two Face is the best portrayal of the character bar none.

    Now that you mention animation, I quite liked Mask of the Phantasm, which I totally forgot about, but if you ask me now I think I like that one the best out of all the Batman films.

    Mask of the Phantasm is one of the best Batman stories ever told. In any media. I actually don’t think that’s controversial for any Batman fan. Or any fan on this site, honestly.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,301
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    LeonardPine wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    LeonardPine wrote: »
    All I took from Batman Returns is that Tim Burton wasn't particularly interested in Batman..

    As I said on the Batman thread, BR is WAY TOO MUCH Tim Burton. To the point, WB should have arguably told him to tone his style down more than once. Long before the final product came out. While directors deserve their visions shown, there does come a point where someone should be told no. As @DarthDimi said, the dark fantasy works for the look of Gotham City. For the characters occupying Gotham, mixed results. As for TDK writing, the Nolans do tend to have some plot holes and cliches. Also, I'm surprised that WB and DC didn't ask for some The Animated Series people for more ideas and stories. They had that perfect mix of those director's styles.

    The makers of The Animated series certainly did get Batman. and as you say, got the perfect mix of styles.

    Their treatment of Harvey Dent/Two Face is the best portrayal of the character bar none.

    Now that you mention animation, I quite liked Mask of the Phantasm, which I totally forgot about, but if you ask me now I think I like that one the best out of all the Batman films.

    Mask of the Phantasm is one of the best Batman stories ever told. In any media. I actually don’t think that’s controversial for any Batman fan. Or any fan on this site, honestly.

    I know, but since we were talking Batman it occurred to me that I totally forgot about that one, I earlier stated that the only Batman films I tend to revisit Batman Returns and Batman Begins are, so I just wanted to correct myself and add Mask of the Phantasm to that list. Sorry if that was unclear.

    What might be controversial though, is that I hated Joker, which I found nasty, ill-spirited and downright tasteless.
  • Mathis1Mathis1
    Posts: 7,766
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    LeonardPine wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    LeonardPine wrote: »
    All I took from Batman Returns is that Tim Burton wasn't particularly interested in Batman..

    As I said on the Batman thread, BR is WAY TOO MUCH Tim Burton. To the point, WB should have arguably told him to tone his style down more than once. Long before the final product came out. While directors deserve their visions shown, there does come a point where someone should be told no. As @DarthDimi said, the dark fantasy works for the look of Gotham City. For the characters occupying Gotham, mixed results. As for TDK writing, the Nolans do tend to have some plot holes and cliches. Also, I'm surprised that WB and DC didn't ask for some The Animated Series people for more ideas and stories. They had that perfect mix of those director's styles.

    The makers of The Animated series certainly did get Batman. and as you say, got the perfect mix of styles.

    Their treatment of Harvey Dent/Two Face is the best portrayal of the character bar none.

    Now that you mention animation, I quite liked Mask of the Phantasm, which I totally forgot about, but if you ask me now I think I like that one the best out of all the Batman films.

    Mask of the Phantasm is one of the best Batman stories ever told. In any media. I actually don’t think that’s controversial for any Batman fan. Or any fan on this site, honestly.

    I know, but since we were talking Batman it occurred to me that I totally forgot about that one, I earlier stated that the only Batman films I tend to revisit Batman Returns and Batman Begins are, so I just wanted to correct myself and add Mask of the Phantasm to that list. Sorry if that was unclear.

    What might be controversial though, is that I hated Joker, which I found nasty, ill-spirited and downright tasteless.

    Glad I'm not the only one! Didn't like that film at all!
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 9:40am Posts: 16,926
    I haven't seen Joker, I have no interest at all in it. I've seen the 70s Scorsese films and they were excellent, everything I've seen of it makes it look like a comic book cover version of those and it has no appeal for me.

    ITVX in the UK has recently added Pennyworth however, which I hadn't seen because it was previously on some obscure paid services, and that's good fun so far.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 4,186
    I got half way through The Joker and gave up.

    I found what i watched derivative and shallow. It's insulting that it's connected to the DC character.
  • 007HallY007HallY
    Posts: 4,513
    You're not missing much with Joker. I didn't mind it necessarily, although yeah, shallow's not a bad word to use about it. I kinda expected a film about the Joker to have a bit more black humour rather than what it was. More King of Comedy than Taxi Driver I guess.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    edited 1:03pm Posts: 4,624
    I watched it once, years after it came out. I didn't like or dislike it but never had any reason to revisit it or the universally panned sequel
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,394
    I don't think the sequel is quite as bad as people make it out to be.
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