Who should/could be a Bond actor?

1124412451247124912501259

Comments

  • buddyoldchapbuddyoldchap Formerly known as JeremyBondon
    Posts: 278
    Those were all quite poor auditions. Glad Craig got the gig back then, even though I never liked him as Bond. Pierce nailed it however, regarding the lines. It's becoming more and more apparent Bond should be a 'young' 40 or so at the start of his tenure. Not going to mention him though.
  • Posts: 1,056
    Can't wait to deliver my lines.
  • Posts: 1,629
    I have never understood why they use scenes from old movies. What do they expect the actor to do?
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    Posts: 2,694
    Watching them again, Worthington doesn't look prepared or bothered, but he does have that Craig edge to him the producers were clearly looking for.
    Cavill does a good Pierce impression but he is somewhat flat to me, he was young though.
    Friend was clearly prepared and he acts it quite well, but his voice is a touch soft and he maybe lacks charisma.
    Starr does quite well, he just seems to play it confidently, he's almost cocky. Watching it I find myself quoting Bond in NTTD, "he smiles too much".

    Credit to all of them though, it must be so tough to do and I think they did well. It just shows how brilliant Pierce was handling the gags.

    @Benny thanks mate, it's good to be back
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 2,294
    Anthony Starr did it better, I think. Cavill wasn't bad, though. I think Campbell must have known, but felt he could bring out something in him. The Bond role isn't easy though, it's not just delivering the lines, but how you deliver it to go with the facial expressions, gestures & posturing that counts.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
    Posts: 995
    I liked Worthington's intensity and lack of artifice. His lack of a British accent is an issue, and he messes up because, I think, he's very nervous. Though his performance has a lot of rough edges I think I might have liked him in the Bond role (if he could have given the same kind of performance with a convincing English accent).

    Starr, who I generally really like, gives my least favourite performance - as Jordo007 says, he's playing it cocky and I'm not so keen on that.
  • edited February 6 Posts: 4,651
    I think there’s some potential in all of these auditions. It’s less a case of finding which actor puts in the most polished performance but what natural qualities they’ll bring to Bond. It’s then a case of the producers deciding whether that approach will be the best pick for the new incarnation or not, and then whittling down the candidates.

    Personally, as weak as I think Cavill’s audition was here, I can see why they’d have considered him over, say, Friend at this stage. I’d say the latter’s the better performance, but it’s a very different interpretation of Bond - again more gentlemanly, softer spoken even. There’s something about Cavill even with his flatness and at times overdone ‘poker face’ that’s more fitting with the Bond of CR - that hint of arrogance/harder edge even. Obviously Craig did all this much better by the way.

    It’s like I always say - finding Bond isn’t about getting ‘the chosen one’ but picking from a pool options in tandem with what they want from the film itself.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 17,152
    Yeah I think Cavill is the only one playing a character who is recognisably James Bond there, albeit in a slightly flat way. As you say, Craig did it better.

  • edited February 6 Posts: 464
    Pierce Brosnan was vastly better in Goldeneye. The way he looked, the shift from serious to flippant, the arrogant but charming portrayal. None of these actors had his lightness of delivery or presence. Nevertheless it's a fascinating insight into the world of Bonds that never were!

    I'd rate them in this order:

    1) Henry Cavill
    I'm surprised I picked Cavill as no 1 because I've never rated him as an actor.

    2)
    Rupert Friend

    3) Anthony Starr. Don't know much about this chap but I thought he was kinda wooden.

    4) Sam Worthington. Not a natural fit for Bond. Too Australian (which goes to show Lazenby was a smart guy to play down his 'Australian-ness' when playing Bond).

    Daniel Craig was a better choice than these guys, perhaps? Craig is my least favourite Bond actor but based on these auditions I can understand why B Broccoli went with Craig. Craig is certainly a good actor and my guess is his screentest was probably the best?



  • edited February 6 Posts: 4,651
    I remember an interview with Debbie McWilliams (the Bond casting director) a year or two ago in which she gave a bit of an insight into what they look for in Bond candidates. The word she used was 'gravitas'. Interestingly no mention of look or what they look like in a suit etc. Even more interestingly I don't think she even specifically mentioned charisma!

    I think there's a subtle difference between 'gravitas' and 'charisma', and indeed artifice, with Bond. You can have the look, but that doesn't mean anything if you don't make an impact in terms of performance. Similarly you can have charisma but not necessarily Bond's gravitas (to some extent that's what's happened here with Worthington and Starr, as much as I liked the latter).

    It just shows how good the EON team are at picking up on those more intangible aspects of this character, and in turn who they pick to tackle it. I suspect they think quite a lot over it even still. Not an easy decision, and for the actors a nerve racking audition (critical as we are I think all the actors should be commended for getting that far. Not an easy role to audition for).
  • edited February 6 Posts: 9,910
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    At least I finally got to hear Cavill say "Bond, James Bond" before I die.

    Honestly Henry like Aaron would be a safe choice. Cavill would very much be in the mold of Brosnan…


    But I dont know what Babs is looking for and i am not seeing the harder edge dalton/craig style 007 among the current names mentioned

    Apart from say a Fassbender or a Bale who would be a one and done film
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,496
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    At least I finally got to hear Cavill say "Bond, James Bond" before I die.

    Honestly Henry like Aaron would be a safe choice. Cavill would very much be in the mold of Brosnan…


    But I dont know what Babs is looking for and i am not seeing the harder edge dalton/craig style 007 among the current names mentioned

    Apart from say a Fassbender or a Bale who would be a one and done film

    Too old. They'll be looking for someone who can do 4-5 films. That means under 30 at this point.
  • Posts: 9,910
    echo wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    At least I finally got to hear Cavill say "Bond, James Bond" before I die.

    Honestly Henry like Aaron would be a safe choice. Cavill would very much be in the mold of Brosnan…


    But I dont know what Babs is looking for and i am not seeing the harder edge dalton/craig style 007 among the current names mentioned

    Apart from say a Fassbender or a Bale who would be a one and done film

    Too old. They'll be looking for someone who can do 4-5 films. That means under 30 at this point.

    Which is worse as there isnt a single actor besides the guy who played Pennyworth whose name i keep forgetting

    Jack Bannon… him he is the only actor who is could be Bond if they are going super young

    I do hope we get some sanity and some regularity from Bond in the next actors tenure and he is late 30’s early 40’s actor
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited February 6 Posts: 2,294
    I think after seeing those actors screen test, it shows what a magnificent job Brosnan did as James Bond and yet, he's often maligned unfairly. Maybe he'll be more appreciated from here on out.
  • edited February 6 Posts: 4,651
    I'd say he's appreciated by a lot of fans. Maybe a lot of us here could be kinder to him, perhaps including me (he was Bond for a long time after all, and many grew up with him as the character). But I think it's also somewhat unfair to compare the original scene to what these actors have to go on. Brosnan did it better, but he had a director, numerous takes, the set, costume etc. It's very likely the actors here only got these pages not long before this audition and were ushered into an office/stuck in front of a camera. Anyway, it's meant to simply be an initial audition.

    Brosnan likely had to do some scene from a previous Bond film too, and I'm sure if we saw it we'd be comparing it critically to that previous Bond actor. I also suspect EON won't be looking to compare these auditions to the original actor.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 17,152
    I don't think a screen test of any successful Bond has been released, has it? Photos of Lazenby, Brosnan and Dalton's, a brief clip of the filming of Craig's but no actual footage from it, I think we maybe hear him deliver a line.
    It would be interesting to see how their performances changed, but I guess perhaps they don't want us to see that, which is fair enough.
  • edited February 6 Posts: 464
    On relection, having watching the clips again Cavill is kinda wooden at times and his face muscles rarely move! I'd go with Rupert Friend as choice 1. Cavill 2 or 3. Sam Worthington 4. He looks bored.

    It looks as if Anthony Starr did his screentest in his bedroom. "I can't be bothered to go to Pinewood!" ;))
  • I think after seeing those actors screen test, it shows what a magnificent job Brosnan did as James Bond and yet, he's often maligned unfairly. Maybe he'll be more appreciated from here on out.

    I think more and more people are starting to go back and appreciate Brosnan’s Bond. To general audiences, he’s right up there with Connery, Moore, and Craig even if some of the hardcore Bond enthusiasts may take issue with that statement.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 2,294
    I think after seeing those actors screen test, it shows what a magnificent job Brosnan did as James Bond and yet, he's often maligned unfairly. Maybe he'll be more appreciated from here on out.

    I think more and more people are starting to go back and appreciate Brosnan’s Bond. To general audiences, he’s right up there with Connery, Moore, and Craig even if some of the hardcore Bond enthusiasts may take issue with that statement.

    Yeah. That's true.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 41,097
    Brosnan is sublime, especially as Bond. If it took a couple decades for more folks to come around to that, I'll take it.
  • Creasy47 wrote: »
    Brosnan is sublime, especially as Bond. If it took a couple decades for more folks to come around to that, I'll take it.

    I’ve always felt he was great. Whenever people dismiss him using the “greatest hits” criticism I find myself rolling my eyes.
  • meshypushymeshypushy Ireland
    Posts: 156
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Brosnan is sublime, especially as Bond. If it took a couple decades for more folks to come around to that, I'll take it.

    Amen!
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,323
    Interesting to see what looks like the preliminaries in the audition process. Worthington and Cavill were among the four finalists (along with Alex O'Loughlin), so obviously Starr and Friend didn’t progress beyond those tape recordings.

    It would be more interesting to see the actual final screen tests. That’s where we see them play with the props, dress in character, play multiple scenes to get every possible facet of what their performance can deliver. This is the first time I’ve heard of GE being used in the process. I only knew that they used scenes from FRWL and OHMSS.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,323
    Interesting to see what looks like the preliminaries in the audition process. Worthington and Cavill were among the four finalists (along with Alex O'Loughlin), so obviously Starr and Friend didn’t progress beyond those tape recordings.

    It would be more interesting to see the actual final screen tests. That’s where we see them play with the props, dress in character, play multiple scenes to get every possible facet of what their performance can deliver. This is the first time I’ve heard of GE being used in the process. I only knew that they used scenes from FRWL and OHMSS.

    It’s also known that Broccoli was dead set on Craig, so a lot of these tests were really just a formality of sorts.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 17,152
    I think it’s quite a good choice of scene though, allows him to do a bit of twinkling if he can.
  • edited February 7 Posts: 464
    I didn't know until I Googled the actor - Antony Starr is a New Zealander. His British accent was convincing. My guess is Eon would always prefer a British actor over an overseas born actor. George Lazenby was an outlier choice as was American John Gavin. He was signed to play Bond in Diamonds Are Forever but Sean Connery was persuaded to return. It was probably for the best Gavin never played Bond.

    I thought Sam Worthington's Australian accent and delivery were not appropriate for Bond. I didn't get any sense he was trying to sound British so it's somewhat surprising he made it so far in the audition process.

    It was reported Croatian-American actor Goran Visnjic was considered for the role. His accent was European. It's possible he may have struggled to sound convincingly British.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 14,853
    @Jordo007 Welcome back mate.

    Starr would probably nail the role today. He'd be a fair bit like Brosnan's Bond I reckon.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    Posts: 2,694
    The more we find out about the 2005 screentests, the more I get the feeling they rigged the deck in Craig's favour so to speak, because he was EON's choice and they wanted to convince the studio.

    Cavill was probably too young, Worthington didn't seem prepared/his accent and Goran Visnjic is Croatian. Craig was the perfect choice anyway, but out of them 4 actors he's the only choice.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited February 7 Posts: 17,152
    bondywondy wrote: »
    I didn't know until I Googled the actor - Antony Starr is a New Zealander. His British accent was convincing. My guess is Eon would always prefer a British actor over an overseas born actor. George Lazenby was an outlier choice as was American John Gavin. He was signed to play Bond in Diamonds Are Forever but Sean Connery was persuaded to return. It was probably for the best Gavin never played Bond.

    I thought Sam Worthington's Australian accent and delivery were not appropriate for Bond. I didn't get any sense he was trying to sound British so it's somewhat surprising he made it so far in the audition process.

    It was reported Croatian-American actor Goran Visnjic was considered for the role. His accent was European. It's possible he may have struggled to sound convincingly British.

    Apparently the list included (as reported at the time anyway- and seems proven correct by these videos):

    Gerard Butler
    Henry Cavill
    Rupert Friend
    Daniel Goddard
    Martin Henderson
    Julian McMahon
    David Morrissey
    Alex O’Lachlan
    Ingo Rademacher
    Dougray Scott
    Christian Solimeno
    Antony Starr
    Karl Urban
    Goran Visnjic
    Dominic West
    Sam Worthington

    Archived from commanderbond.net:
    https://web.archive.org/web/20211122083536/https://commanderbond.net/2995/the-men-who-could-have-been-bond.html
  • They would have known Butler from his small role in Tomorrow never dies.
Sign In or Register to comment.