EoN sells up - Amazon MGM to produce 007 going forwards

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  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited February 26 Posts: 3,229
    Did Nolan ever actually say anything explicitly about demanding final cut or have Variety just inferred it from his actual words? What he said on that 2023 Happy Sad Confused podcast was:

    'You wouldn’t want to take on a film not fully committed to what you bring to the table creatively. So as a writer, casting, everything, it’s a full package. You’d have to be really needed, you’d have to be really wanted in terms of bringing the totality of what you bring to a character. Otherwise, I’m very happy to be first in line to see whatever they do.'

    'Writing, casting, everything' is more than final cut, it's pretty much 'you give me the money and I do whatever I want.' Mendes said that BB and MGW sat on set during the making of SF and passed him notes between takes - producers with that level of involvement could never be as hands-off as Nolan wanted. But Amazon might...?
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    I'm not surprised Broccoli insisted that she (and MGW) have creative control, because TENET is clearly the product of a director who disappeared up his own butt. Nolan is lucky that OPPENHEIMER was received so well, because TENET could've been the beginning of the end of his career.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Creasy47 wrote: »

    "we expect to develop over a long period of time.” Sigh...
  • edited February 26 Posts: 487
    Eon Productions reported revenue since NTTD release:
    According to corporate filings in the U.K., EON Productions — the Broccoli and Wilson company that had controlled Bond until now — received £235 million in revenue in 2021, the year the last Bond film No Time to Die was released. Even years without films were quite lucrative: In 2023, EON had revenue of more than £22 million, in 2022 it brought in nearly £16 million.

    2024 figure not disclosed. With profit like that guess Eon were not in a rush to make Bond 26. Who'd have thought killing off James Bond could be so profitable!





  • buddyoldchapbuddyoldchap Formerly known as JeremyBondon
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    talos7 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »

    "we expect to develop over a long period of time.” Sigh...

    The franchise, not the first film
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited February 26 Posts: 8,357
    bondywondy wrote: »
    Eon Productions reported revenue since NTTD release:
    According to corporate filings in the U.K., EON Productions — the Broccoli and Wilson company that had controlled Bond until now — received £235 million in revenue in 2021, the year the last Bond film No Time to Die was released. Even years without films were quite lucrative: In 2023, EON had revenue of more than £22 million, in 2022 it brought in nearly £16 million.

    2024 figure not disclosed. With profit like that guess Eon were not in a rush to make Bond 26. Who'd have thought killing off James Bond could be so profitable!

    It’s as if a subset of fans being a broken record over the years were just overly conflating how much Bond’s death negatively impacts the brand.

    Of course since that’s not the case I’m sure you’re gonna keep harping over the audacity of killing Bond anyway like it’s some international crime.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    talos7 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »

    "we expect to develop over a long period of time.” Sigh...

    Amazon can't do anything (publicly) until the deal with Eon closes in May.
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    echo wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »

    "we expect to develop over a long period of time.” Sigh...

    Amazon can't do anything (publicly) until the deal with Eon closes in May.

    Even then they've said they have no story or script. It'll still take a bit.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,357
    Not just a story or script but also a new appointed producer and director. I don’t expect any big news until 2026.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Nolan is available in autumn 2026, surely its worth waiting to see if he's interested. Seems like a Golden opportunity, given the series needs a guiding vision now, and that was his sticking point all along.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,357
    I would say no to Nolan, but since Eon Bond is dead, I guess it won’t matter much anymore what happens to the property.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 17,234
    007HallY wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »

    "we expect to develop over a long period of time.” Sigh...

    Amazon can't do anything (publicly) until the deal with Eon closes in May.

    Even then they've said they have no story or script. It'll still take a bit.

    They haven't got a story or script? How incompetent etc.

    (I don't believe they are, it's just that some folk think if the producers haven't pulled a script from thin air they must be terrible at their jobs)
  • edited February 26 Posts: 1,657
    Not just a story or script but also a new appointed producer and director. I don’t expect any big news until 2026.

    We are going to have news before this summer. Mark my words.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,688
    Not just a story or script but also a new appointed producer and director. I don’t expect any big news until 2026.

    We are going to have news before this summer. Mark my words.

    But what are you counting as summer? :-?
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    Not just a story or script but also a new appointed producer and director. I don’t expect any big news until 2026.

    We are going to have news before this summer. Mark my words.

    But what are you counting as summer? :-?

    I'd have asked what he was counting as news personally ;)
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    Stamper wrote: »
    I don't know about you guys, but there's something satisfying about having all the Bond films from EON on a shelf (or several, as I own all DVD and Blu-ray permutations), and knowing it's a closed chapter of the 007 cinematic saga.

    recently I got rid of a majority of my DVDs but I kept all the Bond ones. Can't get rid of those
  • Posts: 1,657
    007HallY wrote: »
    Not just a story or script but also a new appointed producer and director. I don’t expect any big news until 2026.

    We are going to have news before this summer. Mark my words.

    But what are you counting as summer? :-?

    I'd have asked what he was counting as news personally ;)
    The sound of people working
    :D
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    Not just a story or script but also a new appointed producer and director. I don’t expect any big news until 2026.

    yeah I don't expect a new movie until 2027 at the earliest
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Not just a story or script but also a new appointed producer and director. I don’t expect any big news until 2026.

    yeah I don't expect a new movie until 2027 at the earliest

    And that's IF there is not a worldwide depression because of what's happening in the U.S......
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited February 27 Posts: 4,626
    BMB007 wrote: »
    BMB007 wrote: »
    BMB007 wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    bondywondy wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Does the writer of that piece mean 'vitriolic'? Seems the wrong word there.

    I just listened to this week's Rest Is Entertainment where they talked about the situation, and I took it with a pinch of salt to be honest. The main thrust was that Broccoli (who had supposedly been in charge since 'mid way through the Brosnan films) was too attached to Craig and let Craig lead the decision of killing Bond off and couldn't think of a way out of it, and it sounded like Marina Hyde had more been reading forums than talking to people in the know. There's no 'way out of it' to find: he's just a new version of Bond, same as with the case for so many other characters. It's quite a puzzling conversation.

    What I do buy is that she was in a funk and couldn't think of a new spin on it exciting enough to actually want to make- I can totally buy that after doing your ultimate version of it for the last twenty years that the enthusiasm barrel rather runs dry. It doesn't mean it can't be done, but it probably does need someone else who's excited to make something like, say, GoldenEye again- but these guys have done that and there's not much in the way of creative hunger left if you've been there and done that, especially if you have taken it in a creative direction and had massive success with it. No-one is expecting Chris Nolan to ever make a new Batman film again, with another new spin on it, for example.

    Yes, her enthusiasm had gone. The fact she killed off her intellectual property is the evidence of little to no enthusiasm.

    Consider this....

    I doubt Lucasfilm would kill off Indiana Jones in one film then be motivated to reboot the franchise in the next film.

    I doubt Warner Bros would kill off Harry Potter in one film then be motivated to reboot the franchise in the next film.

    Everything that happened with NTTD is consistent with the outcome in 2025. Craig gone, Bond dead, Eon with no enthusiasm to continue = no development of Bond 26 = Amazon taking over.

    And, of course, her obvious lack of enthusiasm to carry on would have been made stronger when Amazon offered the cash. it's very easy to go from "I'm kinda unsure if I want to carry on" to absolute conviction: "yes, I've had enough, I quit!" when Amazon are offering to pay you a billion dollars to quit. Kinda makes the decision a lot easier.

    I am reminded of the old Nilsson song: "I can't live...if living is without yooooou!" She decided that she could not do another Bond film without Daniel in it. And so his suggestion that the character die in the end made perfect sense to her.

    It actually all seems so sad and understandable, and adds an important para-textual element to the entire Craig era. She was secretly (and maybe not so secretly) in love with him.

    If Barbara Broccoli was a man, absolutely no one would push this ridiculous and toxic narrative. The fact that some Bond fans throw it around with no evidence is disappointing. No one says this about Michael Wilson!

    Barbara clearly has the hots for Daniel, that's well established, and she has said numerous times she can't think of Bond after Daniel. Those are the inconvenient facts. Cubby Broccoli meanwhile, had no problem throwing a Bond out the door if he was a problem. People say this about Barbara and not Michael because she has seemingly had a bit more control than Wilson.

    Cubby took three times (arguably four!) to replace Connery which seems to be the identical "problem" you are saying? Does this mean that Cubby Broccoli had the hots for Connery?

    Don't tell me your this dense.

    You're the one making a sexist claim. Cubby's attachment to one actor is OK but Barbara's is not OK. The only difference is that she is a woman.

    Where did I say it wasn't OK? And where did I imply that?

    I have read a lot from Barbara in regards to Craig, and I have listened to her. She was very, very attracted to him. She all but admitted it. And she showers him with affection in Being James Bond.

    But in no way have I stated this is a bad thing or inappropriate. If anything, I feel empathy for her. Heck, nobody on this site has more of a man crush on Craig than I do! LOL. When she said that he is a charismatic man, whom you can't take your eyes off, she's right! I saw Craig leave a theater stage door back in 2013...I was three feet from him. Yes, he just exudes that charisma. As she says, "He's lit from within."

    It seems clear to me that Barbara simply couldn't make another Bond film without Daniel in it. Part of this I'm sure is age and exhaustion. But trying to move on without Craig was too much for her. And I get it.

  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
    edited February 27 Posts: 627
    TripAces wrote: »
    BMB007 wrote: »
    BMB007 wrote: »
    BMB007 wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    bondywondy wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Does the writer of that piece mean 'vitriolic'? Seems the wrong word there.

    I just listened to this week's Rest Is Entertainment where they talked about the situation, and I took it with a pinch of salt to be honest. The main thrust was that Broccoli (who had supposedly been in charge since 'mid way through the Brosnan films) was too attached to Craig and let Craig lead the decision of killing Bond off and couldn't think of a way out of it, and it sounded like Marina Hyde had more been reading forums than talking to people in the know. There's no 'way out of it' to find: he's just a new version of Bond, same as with the case for so many other characters. It's quite a puzzling conversation.

    What I do buy is that she was in a funk and couldn't think of a new spin on it exciting enough to actually want to make- I can totally buy that after doing your ultimate version of it for the last twenty years that the enthusiasm barrel rather runs dry. It doesn't mean it can't be done, but it probably does need someone else who's excited to make something like, say, GoldenEye again- but these guys have done that and there's not much in the way of creative hunger left if you've been there and done that, especially if you have taken it in a creative direction and had massive success with it. No-one is expecting Chris Nolan to ever make a new Batman film again, with another new spin on it, for example.

    Yes, her enthusiasm had gone. The fact she killed off her intellectual property is the evidence of little to no enthusiasm.

    Consider this....

    I doubt Lucasfilm would kill off Indiana Jones in one film then be motivated to reboot the franchise in the next film.

    I doubt Warner Bros would kill off Harry Potter in one film then be motivated to reboot the franchise in the next film.

    Everything that happened with NTTD is consistent with the outcome in 2025. Craig gone, Bond dead, Eon with no enthusiasm to continue = no development of Bond 26 = Amazon taking over.

    And, of course, her obvious lack of enthusiasm to carry on would have been made stronger when Amazon offered the cash. it's very easy to go from "I'm kinda unsure if I want to carry on" to absolute conviction: "yes, I've had enough, I quit!" when Amazon are offering to pay you a billion dollars to quit. Kinda makes the decision a lot easier.

    I am reminded of the old Nilsson song: "I can't live...if living is without yooooou!" She decided that she could not do another Bond film without Daniel in it. And so his suggestion that the character die in the end made perfect sense to her.

    It actually all seems so sad and understandable, and adds an important para-textual element to the entire Craig era. She was secretly (and maybe not so secretly) in love with him.

    If Barbara Broccoli was a man, absolutely no one would push this ridiculous and toxic narrative. The fact that some Bond fans throw it around with no evidence is disappointing. No one says this about Michael Wilson!

    Barbara clearly has the hots for Daniel, that's well established, and she has said numerous times she can't think of Bond after Daniel. Those are the inconvenient facts. Cubby Broccoli meanwhile, had no problem throwing a Bond out the door if he was a problem. People say this about Barbara and not Michael because she has seemingly had a bit more control than Wilson.

    Cubby took three times (arguably four!) to replace Connery which seems to be the identical "problem" you are saying? Does this mean that Cubby Broccoli had the hots for Connery?

    Don't tell me your this dense.

    You're the one making a sexist claim. Cubby's attachment to one actor is OK but Barbara's is not OK. The only difference is that she is a woman.

    Where did I say it wasn't OK? And where did I imply that?

    I have read a lot from Barbara in regards to Craig, and I have listened to her. She was very, very attracted to him. She all but admitted it. And she showers him with affection in Being James Bond.

    But in no way have I stated this is a bad thing or inappropriate. If anything, I feel empathy for her. Heck, nobody on this site has more of a man crush on Craig than I do! LOL

    It seems clear to me that Barbara simply couldn't make another Bond film without Daniel in it. Part of this I'm sure is age and exhaustion. But trying to move on without Craig was too much for her. And I get it.

    You naughty boy! How dare you say a female can be attracted to a male?!?! A producer of such esteem can only be a celibate!
  • Posts: 2,135
    A Bond film every two or three years may keep the franchise alive. But a streaming series will be the death of Bond. Initially they burn bright for a while, but then run out of steam and overstay their welcome.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited February 27 Posts: 17,234
    TripAces wrote: »
    BMB007 wrote: »
    BMB007 wrote: »
    BMB007 wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    bondywondy wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Does the writer of that piece mean 'vitriolic'? Seems the wrong word there.

    I just listened to this week's Rest Is Entertainment where they talked about the situation, and I took it with a pinch of salt to be honest. The main thrust was that Broccoli (who had supposedly been in charge since 'mid way through the Brosnan films) was too attached to Craig and let Craig lead the decision of killing Bond off and couldn't think of a way out of it, and it sounded like Marina Hyde had more been reading forums than talking to people in the know. There's no 'way out of it' to find: he's just a new version of Bond, same as with the case for so many other characters. It's quite a puzzling conversation.

    What I do buy is that she was in a funk and couldn't think of a new spin on it exciting enough to actually want to make- I can totally buy that after doing your ultimate version of it for the last twenty years that the enthusiasm barrel rather runs dry. It doesn't mean it can't be done, but it probably does need someone else who's excited to make something like, say, GoldenEye again- but these guys have done that and there's not much in the way of creative hunger left if you've been there and done that, especially if you have taken it in a creative direction and had massive success with it. No-one is expecting Chris Nolan to ever make a new Batman film again, with another new spin on it, for example.

    Yes, her enthusiasm had gone. The fact she killed off her intellectual property is the evidence of little to no enthusiasm.

    Consider this....

    I doubt Lucasfilm would kill off Indiana Jones in one film then be motivated to reboot the franchise in the next film.

    I doubt Warner Bros would kill off Harry Potter in one film then be motivated to reboot the franchise in the next film.

    Everything that happened with NTTD is consistent with the outcome in 2025. Craig gone, Bond dead, Eon with no enthusiasm to continue = no development of Bond 26 = Amazon taking over.

    And, of course, her obvious lack of enthusiasm to carry on would have been made stronger when Amazon offered the cash. it's very easy to go from "I'm kinda unsure if I want to carry on" to absolute conviction: "yes, I've had enough, I quit!" when Amazon are offering to pay you a billion dollars to quit. Kinda makes the decision a lot easier.

    I am reminded of the old Nilsson song: "I can't live...if living is without yooooou!" She decided that she could not do another Bond film without Daniel in it. And so his suggestion that the character die in the end made perfect sense to her.

    It actually all seems so sad and understandable, and adds an important para-textual element to the entire Craig era. She was secretly (and maybe not so secretly) in love with him.

    If Barbara Broccoli was a man, absolutely no one would push this ridiculous and toxic narrative. The fact that some Bond fans throw it around with no evidence is disappointing. No one says this about Michael Wilson!

    Barbara clearly has the hots for Daniel, that's well established, and she has said numerous times she can't think of Bond after Daniel. Those are the inconvenient facts. Cubby Broccoli meanwhile, had no problem throwing a Bond out the door if he was a problem. People say this about Barbara and not Michael because she has seemingly had a bit more control than Wilson.

    Cubby took three times (arguably four!) to replace Connery which seems to be the identical "problem" you are saying? Does this mean that Cubby Broccoli had the hots for Connery?

    Don't tell me your this dense.

    You're the one making a sexist claim. Cubby's attachment to one actor is OK but Barbara's is not OK. The only difference is that she is a woman.

    Where did I say it wasn't OK? And where did I imply that?

    I have read a lot from Barbara in regards to Craig, and I have listened to her. She was very, very attracted to him. She all but admitted it. And she showers him with affection in Being James Bond.

    But in no way have I stated this is a bad thing or inappropriate. If anything, I feel empathy for her. Heck, nobody on this site has more of a man crush on Craig than I do! LOL. When she said that he is a charismatic man, whom you can't take your eyes off, she's right! I saw Craig leave a theater stage door back in 2013...I was three feet from him. Yes, he just exudes that charisma. As she says, "He's lit from within."

    Are you sexually attracted to him? I don’t know your persuasion.
    Because it’s perfectly possible to say all of those things and not be attracted to him. I think he’s extremely striking and handsome, but I’m a hetero male and I don’t physically lust after him. That she and Wilson were aware of how attractive he is doesn’t mean they wanted to have sex with him or that they were making decisions based on lust as some have suggested, it just makes them good producers as the role is supposed to be played by an attractive guy. Did they also talk up how charismatic and sexy this man is who is playing the role of a famously sexy superspy in their movies? Sure, that’s promotion, being a producer.

    Cubby Broccoli had several tight and quite acrimonious business deals with Roger Moore where they battled over money, but come time to promote the new movie you didn’t see Broccoli lavishing anything but praise on him, it was his job.

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    LucknFate wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Maybe one day Barbara and Michael will write a book about their time as Bond producers and maybe we’ll know the truth about why in the end they really decide to sell other than money.

    Yeah, they need time to come up with a story for why it's not just money.

    The past couple of years, it appeared like she almost took pleasure in saying there is no development on Bond 26 whenever she was asked. There was never any ambiguity, like `we are looking at a few people to cast as Bond,' or `we are developing a script at the moment.' There was almost glee in her comments about the current hiatus.

    Maybe this was part of the negotiating tactic to get more cash out of Amazon, who knows.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,688
    It's been reported that Amazon wanted Nolan to direct Bond 26 and he was available after Tenet, but Barbara threw out the idea. Given that no work can start until after the deal is complete, and it probably will likely take 2 to 3 years or so to make and release the next film, isn't it just logical to wait to see if he's interested? Perhaps his brother could begin work on a script.
  • edited February 27 Posts: 487
    bondywondy wrote: »
    Eon Productions reported revenue since NTTD release:
    According to corporate filings in the U.K., EON Productions — the Broccoli and Wilson company that had controlled Bond until now — received £235 million in revenue in 2021, the year the last Bond film No Time to Die was released. Even years without films were quite lucrative: In 2023, EON had revenue of more than £22 million, in 2022 it brought in nearly £16 million.

    2024 figure not disclosed. With profit like that guess Eon were not in a rush to make Bond 26. Who'd have thought killing off James Bond could be so profitable!

    It’s as if a subset of fans being a broken record over the years were just overly conflating how much Bond’s death negatively impacts the brand.

    Of course since that’s not the case I’m sure you’re gonna keep harping over the audacity of killing Bond anyway like it’s some international crime.
    talos7 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »

    "we expect to develop over a long period of time.” Sigh...
    mtm wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »

    "we expect to develop over a long period of time.” Sigh...

    Amazon can't do anything (publicly) until the deal with Eon closes in May.

    Even then they've said they have no story or script. It'll still take a bit.

    They haven't got a story or script? How incompetent etc.

    (I don't believe they are, it's just that some folk think if the producers haven't pulled a script from thin air they must be terrible at their jobs)

    Well if Eon hadn't a script for five years (Barbara Broccoli confirmed that in December 2024) and Amazon have no script, unless the negotiations were mostly about "what spin offs to make!".... I can't imagine much else was discussed. No Bond script means fairly pointless, vague discussions over the future of the franchise.

    As I mentioned in a previous post, had Eon a completed script when entering into negotiations with Amazon they'd have a plan. A destination point. For example:

    "This is the completed storyline. Bond is approximately 35 years old. The story is about a new criminal organisation trying to destroy the global internet infrastructure and bankrupt the richest countries in the world. The organisation infiltrate the 00s section and hack the database of all known current 00s on missions. The organisation know where they are and try to kill them.

    Bond 26 will be filmed in the UK, a Mediterranean country such as Spain, and Australia. The title is Shaken Not Stirred. Given this is a reboot we have decided to switch from Bond Begins to M Begins. M has recently been promoted to head of MI6 and this is the first time M has worked with Bond. Bond, however, has been a 00 for several years.

    We are considering a summer 2027 or 2028 release. Subject to further negotiation we are prepared to have minimal product placement in exchange for a higher production budget. Bond 26 must have a four to six weeks worldwide theatrical window before PVOD release. The title of Bond 26 is Shaken Not Stirred. All cast and crew to be determined at a later date. Please provide us with a copy of your notes on the screenplay and we'll get back to you a.s.a.p."


    Had Eon Productions done all of the above, had a plan prepared, you have a clear idea where you're going. But if Eon Productions did want to continue the franchise (and who knows if they did) it was very foolish not to have a clear plan prepared. As for Amazon having no script, that's not a big surprise. They've never made a James Bond film so it's all uncharted waters. It's worth remembering Amazon had no creative control so there was no reason for Amazon to have a script in place. Obviously things have changed and when the new deal is finalised Amazon will have to hire some writers to provide story pitches and get things moving.

  • edited February 27 Posts: 4,676
    Whether it's a huge movie brand or a small shop, business is business. An ongoing business, with fully involved owners, active with a clear path/momentum as to where things will be in the short and long term will always be of higher value than one that has no plan and been sitting dormant for three or four years. I don't think EON have added value since NTTD (possibly the opposite?) BUT, as others have said, these are best guesses.

    Putting it another way, how much would Amazon have paid after SF? More or less than they paid recently?
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    EON had no plan after NTTD. Amazon might be smart to bring in a highly skilled director like Nolan who is a Bond fan who probably has a story idea in mind for his Bond film.
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