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Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • delfloriadelfloria
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    Bond has always gone forward, not backward. Embrace the unknown and change. Us old timer Boomers who grew up on Connery had to do this long ago.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    delfloria wrote: »
    Bond has always gone forward, not backward. Embrace the unknown and change. Us old timer Boomers who grew up on Connery had to do this long ago.

    Try to Star Wars fans that. Lucasfilm makes The Force Awakens and Solo familiar, they get criticized not taking risks. They do the opposite with Rogue One and The Last Jedi, they are told it’s too different. As for Bond, when AVTAK was made in the 80’s, it was criticized for being a copy of GF, in more ways than one. Amazon will have to strike a familiar, yet risky ground, to prove their worth.
  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
    edited March 3 Posts: 1,170
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    Bond has always gone forward, not backward. Embrace the unknown and change. Us old timer Boomers who grew up on Connery had to do this long ago.

    Try to Star Wars fans that. Lucasfilm makes The Force Awakens and Solo familiar, they get criticized not taking risks. They do the opposite with Rogue One and The Last Jedi, they are told it’s too different. As for Bond, when AVTAK was made in the 80’s, it was criticized for being a copy of GF, in more ways than one. Amazon will have to strike a familiar, yet risky ground, to prove their worth.

    I don't think i've seen any Star Wars fans dunk on Rogue One, if anything it gets a lot of praise from the fanbase. Literally the only time i saw someone who didn’t like RO was once in the Expanded Universe subreddit.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I thought ROGUE ONE was awful fan fiction, but it makes sense fans would cling to that anyway.

  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
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    Rogue One was dull. It looked like a bad Star Trek movie.
  • 007ClassicBondFan007ClassicBondFan
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    I have to admit that I’ve seen Rogue One only once and have no desire to see it again. I didn’t think it was a bad film or anything like that but I just haven’t felt compelled to revisit it in the intervening years.
  • 007HallY007HallY
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    I've only seen it once as well, although I enjoyed it fine enough. Honestly, I got more out of it than the latest Star Wars trilogy. The weird CGI Peter Cushing was a bit unsettling though.
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    Bond has always gone forward, not backward. Embrace the unknown and change. Us old timer Boomers who grew up on Connery had to do this long ago.

    Try to Star Wars fans that. Lucasfilm makes The Force Awakens and Solo familiar, they get criticized not taking risks. They do the opposite with Rogue One and The Last Jedi, they are told it’s too different. As for Bond, when AVTAK was made in the 80’s, it was criticized for being a copy of GF, in more ways than one. Amazon will have to strike a familiar, yet risky ground, to prove their worth.

    I think so too. If anything those are the lessons they can take from films like GE or TLD (even something more left field like CR struck that balance between familiar and new).
  • NoTimeToLiveNoTimeToLive Jamaica
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    I thought ROGUE ONE was awful fan fiction, but it makes sense fans would cling to that anyway.

    Same, it baffles me that people might consider it too different from the rest of the franchise. My issue with the movie was that it had very little originality.
  • dewiparrydewiparry
    edited March 4 Posts: 42
    I watched The Instigators (2024), directed by Doug Liman. Everything was spot on, the actions scenes and chases were thrilling. The story and pacing had me engrossed. I'd like a bit of that in a Bond film.

  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    I have to admit that I’ve seen Rogue One only once and have no desire to see it again. I didn’t think it was a bad film or anything like that but I just haven’t felt compelled to revisit it in the intervening years.

    Me too. I found the entire thing completely bloody pointless. And as @MakeshiftPython points out, 'Awful fan fiction' to boot.
  • Since62Since62
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    Pierce looking very good. I'm down with him portraying a mature-age Bond. Not to be killed. Maybe even more than one film/streaming long-form TV show. Produce them close together or basically at once. Amazon should be able to pull together enough expert folks to have multiple production teams going simultaneously on, say, Young Bond (I see it in period), Mature Bond, Current Bond. Can all be in their own timeline. Can all be high quality. At any rate - Pierce looking good...
  • CrabKeyCrabKey
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    Bringing an old Bond back is essentially a novelty film. Hype the nostalgia and then offer excuses why the film didn't live up to the hype. Each Bond occupies his unique place in time. Bond ought never be a man out of time. He had his day and his glory. Revere that and move on.
  • delfloriadelfloria
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    OK, not my choice but the rumor mill is talking about Chris Nolan taking the reigns.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Some Bond alumni could come back, in their original characters. In their original continuity or not. PB, Jane Seymour, Willem Dafoe, and Halle Berry just to name a few. They all look healthy and have shown interest.
  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited March 7 Posts: 4,751
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Bringing an old Bond back is essentially a novelty film. Hype the nostalgia and then offer excuses why the film didn't live up to the hype. Each Bond occupies his unique place in time. Bond ought never be a man out of time. He had his day and his glory. Revere that and move on.

    Yes, I really don’t see the appeal either. The last Bond movie was literally about a retired, older Bond coming back for one last mission as well.
  • BMB007BMB007
    Posts: 606
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Bringing an old Bond back is essentially a novelty film. Hype the nostalgia and then offer excuses why the film didn't live up to the hype. Each Bond occupies his unique place in time. Bond ought never be a man out of time. He had his day and his glory. Revere that and move on.

    Correct. It would be an act of self sabotage. Once you start creating for the past you're lost to time.
  • BurgessBurgess
    Posts: 417
    BMB007 wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Bringing an old Bond back is essentially a novelty film. Hype the nostalgia and then offer excuses why the film didn't live up to the hype. Each Bond occupies his unique place in time. Bond ought never be a man out of time. He had his day and his glory. Revere that and move on.

    Correct. It would be an act of self sabotage. Once you start creating for the past you're lost to time.

    I don't think that sentiment is intrinsically true. Almost anything can work if one can "pull it off." It's an intriguing proposition, just not an intuitive one.
  • 007HallY007HallY
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    It's just an idea that's been mentioned so much it'd feel lazy at best, and at worst a bit underwhelming when put into practice. Anyway, I don't think we need a lame duck Bond for a one off, nor do we need more than one official Bond.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 7 Posts: 17,315
    Yes it wouldn't get me excited for the future of Bond, nor is it an interesting idea in itself to me anyway. Old retired Bond being called back to duty? Just seen that one mate. And Connery kind of did 'old Bond' in NSNA too.
    Plus we've just had endless debates about how awful it would be if they de-sexed Bond: is this 70-year old 007 supposed to be going around bedding beautiful women in their 20s (or 50s for that matter) or are we de-sexing him?
    I'm also not convinced that Pierce Brosnan is quite held on the same pedestal as Hugh Jackman's Wolverine, Keaton's Batman or Ford's Indy. He was that guy who played James Bond at that time, after the guy before and replaced by another guy, I'm not convinced there's a hungry audience for it. I'm an actual James Bond fan and I'm not bothered by it, and I was quite excited by the return of those other three.
  • 007ClassicBondFan007ClassicBondFan
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    If I have a problem with a 58(?) year old Roger Moore in AVTAK, I’m sure as hell not going to want to see 70 something year old Brosnan coming back after 20+years.
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
    Posts: 1,686
    mtm wrote: »
    Yes it wouldn't get me excited for the future of Bond, nor is it an interesting idea in itself to me anyway. Old retired Bond being called back to duty? Just seen that one mate. And Connery kind of did 'old Bond' in NSNA too.
    Plus we've just had endless debates about how awful it would be if they de-sexed Bond: is this 70-year old 007 supposed to be going around bedding beautiful women in their 20s (or 50s for that matter) or are we de-sexing him?
    I'm also not convinced that Pierce Brosnan is quite held on the same pedestal as Hugh Jackman's Wolverine, Keaton's Batman or Ford's Indy. He was that guy who played James Bond at that time, after the guy before and replaced by another guy, I'm not convinced there's a hungry audience for it. I'm an actual James Bond fan and I'm not bothered by it, and I was quite excited by the return of those other three.

    I think it is a fun idea for a direct to prime video movie but...

    If many fans don't like NSNA I don't know how a pseudo GoldenEye can work.

  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    If Amazon can give us something like Dalton's Bond did in TLD, when he turned to camera and said "Yes, I got the message". Then I'll be so excited. Not the very exact thing, but something similar.
  • Since62Since62
    Posts: 1,695
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Some Bond alumni could come back, in their original characters. In their original continuity or not. PB, Jane Seymour, Willem Dafoe, and Halle Berry just to name a few. They all look healthy and have shown interest.

    Willem Dafoe was in a Bond film ? Oh...he was in a game...well...OK, though I cannot help but not see the games as I do the films and books.
  • delfloriadelfloria
    edited March 7 Posts: 1,913
    Nothing new in it but still a great article summing everything up. Does mention that Barbara did not want to continue with Bond alone and that Greg was not up to becoming her co-producer. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/amazon-007-takeover-impact-future-james-bond-1236155844/?fbclid=IwY2xjawI4HnZleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHaBxWgBjcooBO4MpbCCXNjk4FhPpNW5fm9JziOI0IJQH6PhOTRLLMgCmew_aem_2xnnql5Zo98xngqx2ORb3g
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 7 Posts: 17,315
    It says what a couple of the spinoffs which Amazon supposedly pitched to Eon were according to a source. They sound a touch obvious and the sort of thing a journo could make up so take with a pinch of salt, but equally who knows how creative these Amazon people are, and it is THR so pretty reputable.
  • Colonel_VenusColonel_Venus
    edited March 7 Posts: 584
    " Wilson’s son, Greg, who’s been working on the recent films but who, insiders say, wasn’t considered ready to step into his father’s shoes."

    Wow. Don't we Bond fans all agree that Greg would have been more ready now than Barbara Broccoli was when she co-procuded GoldenEye?

    Poor guy. MGW and BB pretty much robbed him of the opportunity they got.
  • BMB007BMB007
    Posts: 606
    Colonel_Venus wrote: »
    " Wilson’s son, Greg, who’s been working on the recent films but who, insiders say, wasn’t considered ready to step into his father’s shoes."

    Wow. Don't we Bond fans all agree that Greg would have been more ready now than Barbara Broccoli was when she co-procuded GoldenEye?

    Poor guy. MGW and BB pretty much robbed him of the opportunity they got.

    We don't know the guy. There could be a valid reason.
  • Scaramanga1974Scaramanga1974
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    Theo James seems to be the new favourite
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Vader making his way through those rebels almost felt like they were portraying him like Jason Voorhees, as if audiences are expected to cheer over Vader killing those rebels. We see this sort of thing with Boba Fett where they portray him as this uber badass.

    That just always felt wrong for Star Wars. In the OT they’re imposing because they seem to show little to no exertion
    Colonel_Venus wrote: »
    " Wilson’s son, Greg, who’s been working on the recent films but who, insiders say, wasn’t considered ready to step into his father’s shoes."

    Wow. Don't we Bond fans all agree that Greg would have been more ready now than Barbara Broccoli was when she co-procuded GoldenEye?

    Poor guy. MGW and BB pretty much robbed him of the opportunity they got.

    According to MI6-HQ there was valid concern that he was not the right guy to steer the ship. The fact that they rather end the family business than pass the wheel says so much.
  • 007ClassicBondFan007ClassicBondFan
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    Vader making his way through those rebels almost felt like they were portraying him like Jason Voorhees, as if audiences are expected to cheer over Vader killing those rebels. We see this sort of thing with Boba Fett where they portray him as this uber badass.

    That just always felt wrong for Star Wars. In the OT they’re imposing because they seem to show little to no exertion
    Colonel_Venus wrote: »
    " Wilson’s son, Greg, who’s been working on the recent films but who, insiders say, wasn’t considered ready to step into his father’s shoes."

    Wow. Don't we Bond fans all agree that Greg would have been more ready now than Barbara Broccoli was when she co-procuded GoldenEye?

    Poor guy. MGW and BB pretty much robbed him of the opportunity they got.

    According to MI6-HQ there was valid concern that he was not the right guy to steer the ship. The fact that they rather end the family business than pass the wheel says so much.

    He did publicly state that most family businesses die within the 3rd generation, no wonder they ended the family business instead of giving it to him.
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