Best and worst case scenario for the Amazon Bond

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  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited March 4 Posts: 7,606
    Maybe a hot take (and possibly voiced previously in this thread), but I would consider Amazon handing Nolan full creative control for one Bond film, in a way that Barbara and Michael were unwilling to do (fairly enough, IMO), to be a silver lining to this whole Amazon debacle.
    We have so many great (and some not so great) Bond films, I'd like to see Nolans.
    Worst case is just tons of bad spin offs based on secondary Bond characters, a "Bondverse". But at the end of the day, we're blessed to have such a mountain of excellent stories in book and film form, and I'm grateful for it.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    Maybe a hot take (and possibly voiced previously in this thread), but I would consider Amazon handing Nolan full creative control for one Bond film, in a way that Barbara and Michael were unwilling to do (fairly enough, IMO), to be a silver lining to this whole Amazon debacle.
    We have so many great (and some not so great) Bond films, I'd like to see Nolans.
    Worst case is just tons of bad spin offs based on secondary Bond characters, a "Bondverse". But at the end of the day, we're blessed to have such a mountain of excellent stories in book and film form, and I'm grateful for it.

    Do you think Amazon would give more or less creative control than EON, say to a director like Nolan?

    I honestly have no idea how Amazon work just curious how it differs to EON.
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    They never will give power to Nolan. The star is the franchise, not the director.
    They are going to get yes-men who collect the money, shoot the film and do not supervise the editing or VFX because once they stop shooting, their work is done.
    Marvel and SW are the template.
    As for Chalamet, he is already Bob in the Dylan franchise, so it's only two letters steps away from Bond. More seriously, they will want to attract the Z gen, so Chalamet, even for a one off, is a good bet.
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
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    Stamper wrote: »
    As for Chalamet, he is already Bob in the Dylan franchise, so it's only two letters steps away from Bond. More seriously, they will want to attract the Z gen, so Chalamet, even for a one off, is a good bet.

    He's American, so he has zero chance

    Transitions are tricky and sensitive times and they will want it to be as smooth and seamless as possible. There's a significant proportion of "goodwill" included in the amount they paid out for the franchise, which can easily be lost if they mess up.

    They will want to demonstrate that they are a "safe pair of hands" and thus will avoid anything potentially controvercial in their first outing.

    IMO they will want to bring everyone onboard the new ship and won't risk alienating any significant portion of the fan base so early in their tenure.

    If they do mess it up, James Bond may not be seen again until after the copyright expires...
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Jacob Elordi is Bond. Time to get used to him.

    They'll never adapt CR again. That would be a mistake.
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    echo wrote: »
    Jacob Elordi is Bond. Time to get used to him.

    They'll never adapt CR again. That would be a mistake.

    That would be a mistake, so it's a possibility.
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Jacob Elordi is Bond. Time to get used to him.

    They'll never adapt CR again. That would be a mistake.

    That would be a mistake, so it's a possibility.

    Lol — unfortunately true.
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Jacob Elordi is Bond. Time to get used to him.

    They'll never adapt CR again. That would be a mistake.

    That would be a mistake, so it's a possibility.

    A Goldfinger remake is more likely.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Another one?
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    echo wrote: »
    Jacob Elordi is Bond. Time to get used to him.

    They'll never adapt CR again. That would be a mistake.

    Who’s Jacob Elordi?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    echo wrote: »
    Jacob Elordi is Bond. Time to get used to him.

    They'll never adapt CR again. That would be a mistake.

    Who’s Jacob Elordi?

    He played Elvis in Sofia Coppola's "Pricilla". Honestly, I don't see him as a Bond potential, sorry.
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    The rules that the Bond actor shouldn't be american don't apply anymore! There are no rules!
  • buddyoldchapbuddyoldchap Formerly known as JeremyBondon
    edited March 5 Posts: 291
    Neither Elordi nor Chamalamadingdong will be Bond, ever, and rightfully so.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Neither Elordi nor Chamalamadingdong will be Bond, ever, and rightfully so.

    What about Brian Bopadingdingbopadoodoo? Is he still in with a chance?
  • edited March 5 Posts: 4,754
    I don't see Elordi as Bond either. I actually genuinely think going from Saltburn Barry Keoghan would make a better Bond than him! Not that I think he'll get it either by the way.

    He's got the right level of fame though I suppose. I'm not all that fond of him as an actor but he has his fans. It's just that I don't think he's quite right.
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
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    Stamper wrote: »
    The rules that the Bond actor shouldn't be american don't apply anymore! There are no rules!

    What makes you think that?
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited March 5 Posts: 3,240
    Seve wrote: »
    What makes you think that?
    Bottom line: they were EON's rules. Amazon now having full creative control means that they don't have to follow EON's rules. They'll be setting their own.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Under half.
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    It would be funny if Netflix brought out an equivalent of Never Say Never Again! I like the rights to TB reverted back to EON but it’s fun to wonder.
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
    edited March 8 Posts: 478
    Venutius wrote: »
    Seve wrote: »
    What makes you think that?
    Bottom line: they were EON's rules. Amazon now having full creative control means that they don't have to follow EON's rules. They'll be setting their own.

    They can, but they won't, because they've paid alot of money for the "goodwill" and they won't want to risk wasting that investment by alientating a significant segment of the audience fist time out. Everyone, including Americans, are used to Bond being British.

    Maybe one day in the future they will want to try having an American Bond, or perhaps an American doing a British accent, but now would not be the right time

    If they mess this next one up, we might not see James Bond again until after the copyright expires...
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited March 8 Posts: 3,240
    Makes sense on one level and that'd be the best outcome, so I hope you're right, Seve. Fingers crossed. I'm pessimistic about this whole thing, though, and I do wonder why Amazon would pay $1 billion dollars to get rid of EON and gain full creative control, only to then carry on just doing the same thing that EON were doing anyway. There must be a reason that Amazon wanted creative control so badly - but to then do nothing with it once they've got it? I dunno, mate, I can't help fearing whatever it is they've got in mind. Hope I'm wrong!
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I guess they saw Eon as creating friction in the process and just wanted that cleared.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    I guess whoever Amazon suggested to EON previously is back in the mix. I have a feeling Amazon would go for a less imaginative choice
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited March 9 Posts: 3,240
    mtm wrote: »
    I guess they saw Eon as creating friction in the process and just wanted that cleared.
    So, not so much Amazon wanting creative control, more Amazon wanting control to be removed from EON? Yeah, that sounds plausible, actually.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    They paid a billion so that they controlled the creative process which would include the space or time between film adventures. It also gives them to the control to do what they want story wise and even character wise. They could make James Bond, Jane Bond if they wish and not have to hear Barbara tell them why that might not be a good idea.

    It is an overpay in my opinion but likely needed. I don't get the sense that they were on the same page.
  • Posts: 413
    Why would Trump ask for Bond to be American? I spoke to him, and he said "You know, Bond is British. You know what British is? It's about, like, nine different things, and they all come back brilliantly together. And it's like - and friends of mine that are, like, English professors - they say, it's the most brilliant thing they've ever seen, that guy James Bond, British spy. I love James Bond. He made a lot of money for us at the US box office, you know.
    But I think when you talk about the kind of numbers that I'm talking about, those 007 dollars numbers, that because - look, Bond is 007 - he's British 007 and couldn't, you know, be something else - you have to have it. In this country, you have to have it. Those 007 numbers are so much bigger than any domestic exports numbers that we're talking about, like Man From UNCLE. James Bond is a fantastic british fella."
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Wasn't Donald Trump at school with James Bond?
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Wasn't Donald Trump at school with James Bond?

    And Hannibal Lecter.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    echo wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Wasn't Donald Trump at school with James Bond?

    And Hannibal Lecter.

    That fits. He just popped in for a quick bite.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 17,317
    The late great James Bond.
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