Best and worst case scenario for the Amazon Bond

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  • edited April 13 Posts: 2,604
    QBranch wrote: »
    Bounine wrote: »
    Faithfully adapted Fleming material. Yes! We can dream... :)
    That would be cool, but I wouldn't want it if the project hinders production time on or otherwise affects the films.

    Other best case scenarios for me regarding the Amazon Bond, is that they inject more Fleming material, by using the Risico title; bringing in characters and products not yet seen in the films. Characters like Gala, Loelia & May, items like Bond's Beretta, Morland & Floris. Palmolive shaving cream with secret compartment. These additions would likely draw in Fleming purists disenchanted with the new guard. Adapt a couple of the comics - some of them are very good. Look at taking more ideas from the continuation novels. Release toy merch that ties in with the film. Especially toy versions of what's seen in the film. Kids will want the latest gadget that Bond uses and collectors will gobble that up. Hire talented freelance artists to design the posters and promo artwork, returning to the sketched/painted artwork that everyone loves.

    Those are all great ideas.

    I'm a fan of most of the continuation novels but I've never read a Bond comic or any comics for that matter. I've never known in what order to read the dialogue.

    Worst case scenario: a 007 porno.

    Best case scenario: a 007 porno.

    Joking aside, why does Bond no longer showcase his knowledge of booze? I watched ‘Diamonds Are Forever’ recently – good dialogue in general. It fits the tone of the film.

    I turned 48 in January. I’m now older than Bond! :)

    I got most of what I wanted in the Craig era and I'm grateful. Thank you, Eon for your efforts and good luck with your future.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
    edited April 14 Posts: 1,385
    I think Amazon will prioritize getting a few films made quickly to make sure the character is well established for their iteration and tenure as owners.

    I think one of the biggest mistakes Amazon-MGM could make right now would be to lock in and communicate a release date too early. Obviously, you want a endpoint for any big project in order to plan against it and I am a strong believer in restrictions being good for products.
    However, I also think this weird thing studios did in the last 5-7 years where they put a specific date on films years out lead to some of the worst results in tentpole movies in a long time. Something always happens and suddenly you hear they had to write the third act on set (sound familiar); they did extensive re-shoots with half a new cast; the VFX had to be done in two weeks and looks accordingly and half the stuff they showed in marketing didn't even make it into the film.
    They'll surely have certain windows in mind now that the pre-production is a go, but we're still in the phase where a lot of thought has to happen and loads of availability shedules (writer, director, lead, locations) have to be made to work with each other.
    Boring comment, I know.
    Bounine wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    Bounine wrote: »
    Faithfully adapted Fleming material. Yes! We can dream... :)
    [...]
    Joking aside, why does Bond no longer showcase his knowledge of booze?

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    Everyone always goes on about 9/11 and Bourne and the Nolan Batman films and especially Austin Powers putting Bond in a tough spot in the late-90s/early-2000s, but I think there's a good article for a smart person to write about how the hyper-fixation of dedicated internet/social media cultures is killing this niche but important part of Bond.

    To be more clear, I think at least a small part of "Why does Bond no longer showcase his knowledge of [X]?" is that in the 50s for Fleming and then through to the 70s and possibly right into the 90s, things like booze "culture" were so much simpler then they are now. Bond could just drop something as his personal favourite and the vast majority of people would just take it as "well, if he likes it, it must be good" and a few experts would either take it as an acceptable choice - because there just were a couple of acceptable choices for the writer to pick and you were good - or would write it off as a bit of an eccentricity.
    Today, you'd immediatly have think pieces, podcasts and tweets and reddit comments about every little thing (google "why shaken not stirred" to see what I mean) and it's basically a battle you can't win.

    Plus, it's all product placement anyway and online communities sniff that out in a second.
  • Posts: 1,824
    I think there's a simpler explanation. Many people don't wear suits to work anymore, so why should they care who Bond's tailor is?

  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,564
    I think there's a simpler explanation. Many people don't wear suits to work anymore, so why should they care who Bond's tailor is?

    So you have obviously never been to the financial centers of any major city in the world...
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 14,320
    Yeah I expect most folks not wearing suits themselves would be impressed and more aspirational regarding Bond and his tastes. They probably don't drive Aston Martins either.

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    Yeah I expect most folks not wearing suits themselves would be impressed and more aspirational regarding Bond and his tastes. They probably don't drive Aston Martins either.

    But at least they have cars.

    The thing is, a guy in a tuxedo is already smart enough for them. They don't need the details.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
    Posts: 1,385
    Have been saying it for a long time: I want a Bond movie where he goes undercover in the banking sector and gets to interact with all these boys playing James Bond dress-up, but not getting it.
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
    edited April 17 Posts: 120
    My biggest hope for amazon is they don't make any bond movies
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited April 17 Posts: 3,266
    My biggest hope for amazon is they don't make any bond movies
    I'm not at that point, but I know what you're saying. Obviously, I don't want the series to end, but I don't want it to become a travesty or even a Bondlite version of itself either. And I just don't trust Amazon not to do that. Early signs are that they're at least trying to get appropriate people on board but, well, it's Amazon, so... I hope I'm wrong, I really do.
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
    Posts: 120
    Venutius wrote: »
    My biggest hope for amazon is they don't make any bond movies
    I'm not at that point, but I know what you're saying. Obviously, I don't want the series to end, but I don't want it to become a travesty or even a Bondlite version of itself either. And I just don't trust Amazon not to do that. Early signs are that they're at least trying to get appropriate people on board but, well, it's Amazon, so... I hope I'm wrong, I really do.

    I'd rather they did a TV show.

    Just not sure. The character has been done to death. Literally. The only thing left is its iconography. Amazon buying something they didn't create and selling it back to us.


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    Bond's creators are all dead.
  • Posts: 6,832
    I just don't get the pessimism. I know we have lost something precious (regarding the Broccolli's EON curatorship), but we are fans of this Bond thing, aren't we? Shouldn't we be happy that it exists and is being taken care of in the twenty first century? There is a chance this will work out just fine, or better than fine, and we'll be happy about it. All I see is a lot of panic and dismay.

    Yes, things have changed. And we don't know how, as of yet. But can't we just hope for the best? And maybe inscribe here in these sacred forums what our best hopes are?

    I mean, why crack jokes and eulogies for something that has been given fresh breath of life? Will it be a Frankenstein Monster for it? Who knows? But it IS alive.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,599
    Univex wrote: »
    I just don't get the pessimism. I know we have lost something precious (regarding the Broccolli's EON curatorship), but we are fans of this Bond thing, aren't we? Shouldn't we be happy that it exists and is being taken care of in the twenty first century? There is a chance this will work out just fine, or better than fine, and we'll be happy about it. All I see is a lot of panic and dismay.

    Yes, things have changed. And we don't know how, as of yet. But can't we just hope for the best? And maybe inscribe here in these sacred forums what our best hopes are?

    I mean, why crack jokes and eulogies for something that has been given fresh breath of life? Will it be a Frankenstein Monster for it? Who knows? But it IS alive.

    I admire your enthusiasm, @Univex. And by Cthulhu, I hope you're right. In fact, your words, which I always value, give me hope that, yes, perhaps we are being a tad pessimistic.

    I guess change can be a difficult process for all of us. Then again, change can also be good. Right now, I have a few big concerns left, though I agree that we can always hope for the best. My remaining concerns are:
    • Will the arrival of another Bond film still feel like a big event?
    • Will Amazon milk the cow dry and leave us exhausted and oversaturated with Bond "content"?
    • Will Amazon leak some of its current political "obligations" into its creative process and avoid taking risks?
    Some of the names they've thrown out there have me somewhat excited, however. I'm not losing too much sleep at night over this deal.

    But my biggest issue with the entire Amazon thing is that while I used to genuinely like and admire the people running EON, Bezos is an awful man in my opinion, especially considering whose feet he's been kissing recently. I guess he himself won't be too involved with the Bonds, though, which is a positive thing. Let's just say that if he had boarded the space penis and flown away to not come back until apes have taken over, I'd be more pleased with the situation than I am now. I'm aware that I mustn't let politics ruin this for me, but it's so hard these days to remain blind.

    Ah well, time will tell. At least, yes, we're getting more Bond soon. There's some consolation in that, even if more Bond isn't the same as quality Bond. And that's the devil on my shoulder talking.
  • Posts: 6,832
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    I just don't get the pessimism. I know we have lost something precious (regarding the Broccolli's EON curatorship), but we are fans of this Bond thing, aren't we? Shouldn't we be happy that it exists and is being taken care of in the twenty first century? There is a chance this will work out just fine, or better than fine, and we'll be happy about it. All I see is a lot of panic and dismay.

    Yes, things have changed. And we don't know how, as of yet. But can't we just hope for the best? And maybe inscribe here in these sacred forums what our best hopes are?

    I mean, why crack jokes and eulogies for something that has been given fresh breath of life? Will it be a Frankenstein Monster for it? Who knows? But it IS alive.

    I admire your enthusiasm, @Univex. And by Cthulhu, I hope you're right. In fact, your words, which I always value, give me hope that, yes, perhaps we are being a tad pessimistic.

    I guess change can be a difficult process for all of us. Then again, change can also be good. Right now, I have a few big concerns left, though I agree that we can always hope for the best. My remaining concerns are:
    • Will the arrival of another Bond film still feel like a big event?
    • Will Amazon milk the cow dry and leave us exhausted and oversaturated with Bond "content"?
    • Will Amazon leak some of its current political "obligations" into its creative process and avoid taking risks?
    Some of the names they've thrown out there have me somewhat excited, however. I'm not losing too much sleep at night over this deal.

    But my biggest issue with the entire Amazon thing is that while I used to genuinely like and admire the people running EON, Bezos is an awful man in my opinion, especially considering whose feet he's been kissing recently. I guess he himself won't be too involved with the Bonds, though, which is a positive thing. Let's just say that if he had boarded the space penis and flown away to not come back until apes have taken over, I'd be more pleased with the situation than I am now. I'm aware that I mustn't let politics ruin this for me, but it's so hard these days to remain blind.

    Ah well, time will tell. At least, yes, we're getting more Bond soon. There's some consolation in that, even if more Bond isn't the same as quality Bond. And that's the devil on my shoulder talking.

    As always, my friend, your concerns mirror my own. And I’m usually the pessimistic around here ;) But I’m choosing to be positive about this one until proven wrong (probably by the slightest thing). We’ll see :)
  • DarthDimi wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    I just don't get the pessimism. I know we have lost something precious (regarding the Broccolli's EON curatorship), but we are fans of this Bond thing, aren't we? Shouldn't we be happy that it exists and is being taken care of in the twenty first century? There is a chance this will work out just fine, or better than fine, and we'll be happy about it. All I see is a lot of panic and dismay.

    Yes, things have changed. And we don't know how, as of yet. But can't we just hope for the best? And maybe inscribe here in these sacred forums what our best hopes are?

    I mean, why crack jokes and eulogies for something that has been given fresh breath of life? Will it be a Frankenstein Monster for it? Who knows? But it IS alive.

    I admire your enthusiasm, @Univex. And by Cthulhu, I hope you're right. In fact, your words, which I always value, give me hope that, yes, perhaps we are being a tad pessimistic.

    I guess change can be a difficult process for all of us. Then again, change can also be good. Right now, I have a few big concerns left, though I agree that we can always hope for the best. My remaining concerns are:
    • Will the arrival of another Bond film still feel like a big event?
    • Will Amazon milk the cow dry and leave us exhausted and oversaturated with Bond "content"?
    • Will Amazon leak some of its current political "obligations" into its creative process and avoid taking risks?
    Some of the names they've thrown out there have me somewhat excited, however. I'm not losing too much sleep at night over this deal.

    But my biggest issue with the entire Amazon thing is that while I used to genuinely like and admire the people running EON, Bezos is an awful man in my opinion, especially considering whose feet he's been kissing recently. I guess he himself won't be too involved with the Bonds, though, which is a positive thing. Let's just say that if he had boarded the space penis and flown away to not come back until apes have taken over, I'd be more pleased with the situation than I am now. I'm aware that I mustn't let politics ruin this for me, but it's so hard these days to remain blind.

    Ah well, time will tell. At least, yes, we're getting more Bond soon. There's some consolation in that, even if more Bond isn't the same as quality Bond. And that's the devil on my shoulder talking.

    Eloquently put. Well done.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,599
    Why, thank you, @007ClassicBondFan.

    I'm trying to approach the Amazon deal cautiously, not getting too hyped up just yet. Their first bit of output will have to convince me. If it does, I'll be paying more attention to what they're doing next; but if it doesn't, I'm not sure how I will proceed.

    We used to look forward to
    • the theme song singer being announced;
    • the theme song being released;
    • the composer being announced;
    • the score being released;
    • teasers and trailers being released;
    • cast and crew being slowly revealed;
    • the title being revealed;
    • posters and promotion stills being revealed;
    • ...

    ... and all of these things happened before the grand finale: the release of the film. These things grabbed our attention, got us talking and debating, and made us extremely hungry for the final product.

    Will any of this still happen?
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